Why did this team sign Tebow?

[Ivan]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

First of all, I don't think Belichick and McDaniels actually brought Tebow here to simply play QB and push Brady for the starting job.


And if they do have some "situational football" plays in mind for Tebow, I'm not expecting Belichick - typically pretty vanilla with what he shows on offense and defense in the pre-season - would go out of his way to tip his hand in public, televised pre-season games.



But let's all admit that neither Tebow nor Mallett look like they could take the reins and step in for Brady if God forbid he gets injured.

So I'm just going to come right out and say the two words that everyone is thinking as the answer to our backup QB situation

"Brett Favre"

The only situation where putting Tebow in that makes sense is to take a knee at the end of blowouts. I'll admit it, when it comes to kneeling Tebow is as good as it gets.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Maybe there could be a "I Hate Tebow And I Have My Panties In A Bunch" thread that get's ever so popular once a month.

Once a month implies that he makes the team - much to the chagrin of every fan convinced they know more about football than Belichick.

Maybe we can just merge it with the "Why the hell isn't Belichick smart enough to bring Brandon Lloyd back??" threads.

 

[Remarker]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Seconded. Lets keep those crazy Tebow guys in one thread...

Seriously...even a 'Tim makes the cut' thread shouldn't have it's own life. That's the kind of thing that would make an otherwise exemplary Patriots fan's message board begin to stink. Maybe if Tim was the #2 QB he would warrant more threads than a single 'honorable mention' thread, but a #3 QB...hardly.

The way I see it, regardless of anything except injury (God forbid) for Tim to supplant Mallett before the 2014 season in any way would be a 'What the hell is BB thinking now?' flag.

A 'Tim makes the cut' thread is the kind of thread for a Football/Tim fan site.

 

[Ivan]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

FWIW, Brady of 2001 couldn't step right in and run the current offense anywhere near as well as he runs it today.

The question is whether Mallett or Tebow would be able to run an offense more tailored to their skillsets, and if that would produce victories.

Just stop with the Brady analogies, it really makes you look like an idiot.

If you want to know why every fanbase gets sick of the Tebow fans it is garbage like that.

 

[Zeus]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

McD and Kraft might have some inkling

Yeah, they'll find out about five minutes before the rest of us.

My guess is that Bill has already made up his mind and that what happened in Detroit last Thursday and whatever happens against the New York Football Giants' scrubeenies this Thursday will have little or no bearing on the outcome.

 

[manxman2601]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Would that replace the " OK, He Sucks, But I Still Want Him On The Team" threads, or the "He can't Play Quarterback But Maybe Bill Can turn Him Into An Ice Skater" threads?

 

[Gwedd]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Haters gotta hate. :rocker:

 

[robbomango]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Would that replace the " OK, He Sucks, But I Still Want Him On The Team" threads, or the "He can't Play Quarterback But Maybe Bill Can turn Him Into An Ice Skater" threads?

Has a Tebow fan even started a thread about him?

 

[Demosthenes]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Just stop with the Brady analogies, it really makes you look like an idiot.

If you want to know why every fanbase gets sick of the Tebow fans it is garbage like that.

The point was absolutely dead on. Tom Brady circa 2001 wasn't anywhere near the QB that Tom Brady is today. Brady has evolved, improved, matured and gotten much better as a QB compared to what he was in 2001. And the offense has changed right along with him. If you can't wrap your head around that, it's your problem, not mine.


The reason for stating what I said in my post is that it's highly unrealistic to expect Mallett or any other backup to come in and run the Pats offense at anywhere near the same level that Brady does. This is another point that if you can't wrap your head around, it's your problem, not mine.

 

[Remarker]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Has a Tebow fan even started a thread about him?

I think Christian Cat did, iirc.

Fyi, he's not on our board. Just sayin'.

 

[fnordcircle]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Merge.10 characters

 

[PatsFanInVa]

LOL... total props for that one Ivan.

I'm trying to keep an open mind here. I don't even mind the Tebowites who try to grok and replicate the fanbase's ethos... in NE, they've got a good one to grow on, in case they want to settle down into an NFL team's fanbase at some point.

But I've got to say I'm also okay with their hopes and dreams. I don't limit mine to Brady's admittedly stellar career. Us older fans are like that. I also don't think Tebow's going to play a part in this team's future. I just leave open the possibility that the thinking is diffferent at 1 Patriots Place... much as it makes me go "huh?" to even think it.

Here's what's weird to me about counting on the interest being in playing an (in-game) gimmick role: The gimmick offense doesn't work when you just put a short-yardage back in instead of a QB. The reason it's hard to defense Kaepernick or Wilson is that they can pass too.

So put in Tebow, and you're just announcing "The QB is going to run." Then they cover the run, he panics and passes, and it's one of the two bad things that can happen in a pass play. (There are three things that can happen in a pass play, two of them are bad, and Tebow doesn't do the third one.)

That's why I think the thinking might actually be to get his mechanics workable.

Do that, and ya might have something. But that's like saying "get your prius up to 200 mph, and that's gonna win you a bunch of NASCAR races!"

Hence my head-scratching. I guess the scout-team theory has validity, but only if there's an end state you're trying to get to. So I think they view him as a low percentage bet with a high upside in the unlikely event they succeed. I don't think roster spot #53 is necessarily too high a price from their point of view, to have a shot at teaching Timmy to play real football like a real QB.

The waiting is the hardest part. Love you guys, but I'll be happy to hear the definitive "end of the Tebow experiment." Then (and only then) I'll be free to open up the haterade. For now, he's a Patriot, and one that Bill still thinks should be coming to work every day.

PFnV

 

[Remarker]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

The point was absolutely dead on. Tom Brady circa 2001 wasn't anywhere near the QB that Tom Brady is today. Brady has evolved, improved, matured and gotten much better as a QB compared to what he was in 2001. And the offense has changed right along with him. If you can't wrap your head around that, it's your problem, not mine.


The reason for stating what I said in my post is that it's highly unrealistic to expect Mallett or any other backup to come in and run the Pats offense at anywhere near the same level that Brady does. This is another point that if you can't wrap your head around, it's your problem, not mine.

Do you however agree that a system like BB's provides for (as best as is possible) a Brady replacement to have as good a chance for success as any in the business?

 

[robbomango]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

I think Christian Cat did, iirc.

Fyi, he's not on our board. Just sayin'.

That was about the team not TT if I recall but even if there's been 1 or 2 threads by TT fans, big deal. There are 2400+ posts in the other thread, half, probably more by his detractors. Again no biggy, I assume they're enjoying posting on the subject otherwise why would they...

 

[mcmurtry86]

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Like it or not, Tebow is here to stay. Reason he didn't play against the Lions, another poor showing would be very hard to justify keeping him to the fans and media.

Because we all know how much Belichick cares what the fans and media think of his personnel decisions.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

I wish the Pats would cut both Mallett AND Tebow, they both suck.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

But then the pundits would just talk about Brady's missing middle years

Actually think the bookend 3 peat isn't completely far-fetched. Jones, McCourty, Gronk, Amendola, hopefully Thompkins/Studfeld, Tebow (oops sorry about that ) are quite a potential force.

Forgive me, but (although I feel the same way,) one sure-fire fan meme is the "[name of player] [name of player] [name of player] how can we lose?" analysis.

I loved the early 2000s... the magic of thinking it would just be fine in the end. We'll at some point (boo hoo) look back fondly some season, at the days when we really started worrying once it was the playoffs. Damn we (still) got it good.

On the other hand, I really really have had enough of losing super bowls by less than a TD to the freakin' NY Giants.

It would be nice to put the universe back the way it's supposed to be for a few years here.

 

[Demosthenes]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

Do you however agree that a system like BB's provides for (as best as is possible) a Brady replacement to have as good a chance for success as any in the business?

If by that you mean coach(es) who aren't thick headed and try to force players to fit into "their" system ? Yeah. Bill and company adapts the offense to get the most out of the players involved in it.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Re: Why did this team sign Tebow?

To be the successor to Brady

I remember callling some months ago, some of you were saying it was crap.

I realized how much similarities there are between Steve Young's situation and Tebow's situation. Both were left armed QB's who were criticized for not being able to throw the ball effectively in there former teams, both had strong arms and talent though, both got picked up by a team that had a legendary coach and multiple super bowl winning quarterbacks who aged like wine, etc.

the only difference is that SY wasn't nearly as popular as Tebow.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Re: Tebow's NFL career may be coming to a sad end.

I wish the Pats would cut both Mallett AND Tebow, they both suck.

Neither are quality QBs, for a backup I really want Alex Tanney if the Cowboys foolishly cut him.

Alex Tanney '11 on Stan Lee's Superhumans - YouTube

Tebow, while not a QB, is definitely a football player. I have a feeling he could be very useful playing multiple positions if he's agreeable to it.