Player Signing Why did this team sign Tebow?

[ATippett56]

In other words, he's a power runner and not a speed one as you pointed out, but a damn shifty power runner who can explode for big yardage.

And he didn't cost us a first or second round pick as almost all those guys you listed did.

Neither did LeGarrette Blount.

 

[manxman2601]

So you want to develop a 26 year old Tebow who ran a 4.71 at the combine into a running back? Running backs generally begin to go downhill at about 28, so that would make that much sense to me. I have never seen him lay a block or catch a football so FB or TE doesn’t seem like a real option.

Yes I do as a power short yardage back. I've said that from almost the day we signed him.

As you are interested in comparisons, check out Tebow's and LeGarette Blount's combines. Almost identical with Tebow getting the edge in COD speed.

 

[belichick010405]

He fumbles once for every ten carries, that's absurdly bad.

Ivan - this has been yet another point that has been ignored, and ignored and ignored and ignored.

He led the NFL in fumbles in 2011 and was second to last in three and outs because of the number of negative yardage plays that he executed.

But hey - when it comes to Tim Tebow, facts are irrelevant for the most part.

And in the end - BB's position of "Doing Your Job" is probably going to be ignored when it comes to Tim Tebow as well.

 

[manxman2601]

Neither did LeGarrette Blount.

Who has disappointed as a short yardage runner in the past, something that certainly can't be levelled at Tebow's door.

During his time in Tampa Bay, Blount displayed a penchant for bouncing the ball outside and appeared indecisive when asked to run between the tackles, which eventually cost him his job as the Bucs' short-yardage specialist.

Blount was evasive when asked if he felt he was unfairly labeled in Tampa Bay, only offering that the situation "is what it is," but he's now trying to change his perception as a member of the Patriots.

"As a big running back, it's really important for me to go out there and show how physical I can, show how a big running back like me should run the football," Blount said. "It's a big thing for me because I'm not as agile as Leon Washington and Shane Vereen."

The last time Blount had the opportunity to prove himself as a short-yardage specialist came last year in an Oct. 21 game against the New Orleans Saints when he received three consecutive carries from the 1-yard line. Stuffed to the left. Stuffed to the right. Stuffed to the left.

Blount lost his role soon after that game

Despite struggles in Tampa Bay, LeGarrette Blount believes he can be short-yardage back for New England Patriots | masslive.com

 

[manxman2601]

He fumbles once for every ten carries, that's absurdly bad.

No he doesn't.

 

[Brady6]

@Brady 6


Firstly a bit of nit-picking but Tebow is now listed at 245lbs.

Secondly, Tebow has a better 3-cone than Luck, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton and Manuel (doesn't look like Smith, Vick or RGIII tested at the combine for 3-cone). In fact, of all the QBs tested at the combine since 1999, Tebow has the highest 3-cone of all the QBs and we know how BB values that particular test. So we have a guy that has a good size/speed ratio and is elite at COD for his size and position (Tebow had better COD numbers than Hernandez for example).

In other words, he's a power runner and not a speed one as you pointed out, but a damn shifty power runner who can explode for big yardage.

And he didn't cost us a first or second round pick as almost all those guys you listed did.

M I do not disagree that Tebow is a good runner, unfortunately the thing that has always stood and appears to be continuing to stand in the way of him maximizing that strength is his continued attempts at being a NFL quarterback.

 

[fnordcircle]

There is no argument, he sucks, period, what I am responding to are those who are trying to claim that taking that stance means we think Belichick is a moron, which we obviously don't, we just think he 100% wrong to have Tebow here any longer.

Oh man.

Let's try this, because my words fall over you like rain. So let's see if you can win the debate against yourself.

How, on earth, do you reconcile this:

what I am responding to are those who are trying to claim that taking that stance means we think Belichick is a moron, which we obviously don't

With this:

There is no argument, he sucks, period

There's cognitive dissonance and then there's dissociative identity disorder and then there's your post.

You can't have it both ways. Tebow can't be so unquestioningly bad that anyone who says he is worth development time on is clearly some wacked out Tebow cultist (and by all means, let's devolve to memes ASAP why bother with rational exchange or cogent points) without Belichick being completely off his rocker insane or awful at talent evaluation.

Think Teebs has looked bad? No reasonable human would argue otherwise. Think he won't make the final 53? That's a very valid opinion to have, certainly the majority holds it.

But the one thing Tebow cannot be is so goddamn awful that you state it as fact without it also implying that Belichick is an idiot at this point for not having replaced him. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yes I do as a power short yardage back. I've said that from almost the day we signed him.

As you are interested in comparisons, check out Tebow's and LeGarette Blount's combines. Almost identical with Tebow getting the edge in COD speed.

So you want him to be a fullback who fumbles more than any player in the league?



This is all simply the cult of Tebow, how he plays is irrelevant, all that matters is that he is Tim Tebow, and as such should be given stars and ribbons and a place on a roster for being such a nice guy and trying so hard. Any other player would be considered garbage for playing the way he does.

 

[Brady6]

Yes I do as a power short yardage back. I've said that from almost the day we signed him.

As you are interested in comparisons, check out Tebow's and LeGarette Blount's combines. Almost identical with Tebow getting the edge in COD speed.

I wouldn’t have a problem if after they cut him they resigned him after Jan 1st to a future contract and worked with him on a transition to RB or FB in preparation for the 2014 season, maybe it will work out, but there isn’t a downside to doing it in that manner, I just cannot using 1 of the 53 rosters spots on him to make this change in the 2013 season.

 

[fnordcircle]

This is all simply the cult of Tebow

So Belichick is in that cult, too, right?

how he plays is irrelevant

This is the stupid part about debating Tebow, you inevitably hear this ****. Who, on earth, is defending his play at this point? Who, on this forum or even in this thread, has said his play is irrelevant? The closest any have come is saying that he's a project that will be given time.

all that matters is that he is Tim Tebow, and as such should be given stars and ribbons and a place on a roster for being such a nice guy and trying so hard.

Who...who is saying to keep him because he's a nice guy? Who is saying this stuff you're blathering about?

Christ, talk about strawmen.

 

[RayClay]

Apparently fans have finally lost faith in Bil Belichick.

If Tebow were not worthy of being on the roster right now, he would not be on the roster right now.

Belichick sees something you do not. And I'm still siding with Belichick on this issue.

He sure proved me wrong about Ochocinco.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Oh man.

Let's try this, because my words fall over you like rain. So let's see if you can win the debate against yourself.

How, on earth, do you reconcile this:



With this:



There's cognitive dissonance and then there's dissociative identity disorder and then there's your post.

You can't have it both ways. Tebow can't be so unquestioningly bad that anyone who says he is worth development time on is clearly some wacked out Tebow cultist (and by all means, let's devolve to memes ASAP why bother with rational exchange or cogent points) without Belichick being completely off his rocker insane or awful at talent evaluation.

Think Teebs has looked bad? No reasonable human would argue otherwise. Think he won't make the final 53? That's a very valid opinion to have, certainly the majority holds it.

But the one thing Tebow cannot be is so goddamn awful that you state it as fact without it also implying that Belichick is an idiot at this point for not having replaced him. You can't have it both ways.

There's the cult of "Teebs" and you are part of it. you have no logical argument only hero worship. My view of Belichick is clear, as is your strawman argument, and the person who is trying to have it both ways is you, as you admit how bad he is while maintaining they should keep him, which is beyond stupid. Tebow blows and anyone who can see knows it, it's not my fault that your shrine to him is blocking your view.

 

[fnordcircle]

There's the cult of "Teebs" and you are part of it. you have no logical argument only hero worship. My view of Belichick is clear, as is your strawman argument, and the person who is trying to have it both ways is you, as you admit how bad he is while maintaining they should keep him, which is beyond stupid. Tebow blows and anyone who can see knows it, it's not my fault that your shrine to him is blocking your view.

That's ok, I think responding to what people have said in their posts is overrated too, it's much easier to just keep making unfounded claims and labeling everyone who disagrees with you with some belittling title.

Why defend the contradictions inherent everytime you say Tebow is worthless but Belichick is a good coach when you can just say someone is a cultist? It's brilliant.

 

[RayClay]

Yes I do as a power short yardage back. I've said that from almost the day we signed him.

Wow............

 

[Huckleberry1]

I have to admit, Tebow is special, this is the first time I have ever seen where everyone agrees that a player sucks yet people still want him on the team.

 

[Oinko]

Let’s take a closer look at that; this is Tebow’s basic measurable(s) against the other QB’s who are considered excellent athletes at the QB position.

	Tebow	Kaepernick	R. Wilson	Griffin III	Vick	Newton	G. Smith	Manuel	Luck
Height	6'3	6'5	5'11	6'2	6'1	6'5	6'3	6'5	6'4
Weight	236	233	204	223	210	248	218	237	234
40 Dash 	4.71	4.53	4.53	4.33	4.33	4.56	4.56	4.59	4.59

As you can see Tebow is not that special in terms of size or speed, if you’d like to look at all of their metrics from the combine you can go to nfldraftscout.com and you will see he does not stand out in any areas against these players.

He's very physically gifted -- his quickness and cutting ability are amazing for a guy his size. It's deceptive because he's so big it fools the eye.

Only reason the following is relevant is that you seemed to think he wasn't much of an outlier in the physically gifted department, which is relevant to the question of why BB and Josh might think he's good "project material."

I 'm surprised you didn't look at more than 40 times while you were looking at combine numbers. Tebow's 40 time (while impressive for a 240 lb. quarterback) is not really his strength -- he doesn't really have a "second gear" in that last 20 yards. But 40 time is not the most important thing for a running quarterback, or even a running back. That's why they measure other things for short range quickness and cutting ability.

So before I publish some times, understand this -- Tebow's 3 cone drill is off the charts. His vertical is amazing. His 20 yard and 60 yard shuttle times are very respectable. He is quicker than all those players you listed by any measure, while being heavier and more durable. Did you not know that?

First, three cone drill -- Tebow had a 6.66. To put that in perspective, tiny Ray Rice had a 6.65. And for three years, Tebow was second only to Ray Rice among all RB's and QB's in Three cone drill.

3 Cone Drill

Tebow 6.66
Caparnick 6.85
Newton 6.92
Wilson 6.97
Griffin none
Geno none
Manual 7.08
Luck 6.80

Vertical Leap

Robert Griffin 39
Tebow 38.5 (3rd highest QB at last 4 combines)
Andrew Luck 36
Newton 35
Manual 34
Wilson 34
Kapernick 32.5

(Sort of jumps out -- he's clearly athletically talented.)

60 Yard shuttle

Tebow 11.27
(highest in 7 years of combine for QB)
5th highest in 7 years if you include RB's at combine, just ahead of Doug Martin of Tampa, and Giovannie Bernard of Bengals.

20 yard shuttle

Wilson 4.09
Tebow 4.17
Kaepernik 4.18
Newton 4.18
Luck 4.28

 

[manxman2601]

So you want him to be a fullback who fumbles more than any player in the league?



This is all simply the cult of Tebow, how he plays is irrelevant, all that matters is that he is Tim Tebow, and as such should be given stars and ribbons and a place on a roster for being such a nice guy and trying so hard. Any other player would be considered garbage for playing the way he does.

Your fumble stat is irrelevant because you're including fumbled snaps and sacks, none of which matter to a RB.


As for the bolded, that's pure garbage. Tebow was an elite short yardage back in college and he's shown the ability in the NFL too. And you chastise others for building straw men. Tsk tsk.

 

[RayClay]

No he doesn't.

He had 14 fumbles in 2011.

 

[Brady6]

I have to admit, Tebow is special, this is the first time I have ever seen where everyone agrees that a player sucks yet people still want him on the team.

Tebow is likely never going to be the next Steve Young, but if he abandoned this football idea I’m sure he could be the next Jim Jones...:faint:

 

[RayClay]

Your fumble stat is irrelevant because you're including fumbled snaps and sacks, none of which matter to a RB.

So he's a running back now? Where did he play running back?