All-time underrated, overrated Patriots players

[captain stone]

Slade was overrated? Gotta disagree with that one.

I don't.
"Home Game" Slade's splits for Tackles/TFLs/Sacks between home & road games was as stark
as it can get. When the going got tough (as in: on the road), Slade got...nothing.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

TFB may be the GOAT, but he has and never will live up to the accolades piled upon him. So he is overrated despite his accomplishments. No disrespect -- I love the man.

I love that Antowain Smith made the underrated list. He was so classy and just what the team needed when he arrived. Compare to overrated clock-killin-dillon.

Is it possible for a player to be both overrated and underrated? If so, I nominate jim plunkett. I can't believe how quickly he has faded from Patriot lore. My father thought 'The Indian' was the savior of the franchise yet today few pay any tribute at all despite his amazing run in Oakland -- I know, Oakland, but still...

Brady and overrated don't work man. Sorry but when your the goat, your not overrated. Brady is under appreciated, he hides flaws and drags this team deep into the playoffs every year. That's not overrated.

 

[supafly]

Brady and overrated don't work man. Sorry but when your the goat, your not overrated. Brady is under appreciated, he hides flaws and drags this team deep into the playoffs every year. That's not overrated.

I can appreciate what the poster you're responding to is trying to say (I think), but I'd definitely have to agree with you on this one.

Despite the team around him getting weaker with talent from 2005 on, with maybe the exception of a season or two aka 2007 for sure, Brady has actually made a lot of better decisions during that time than he did in the beginning of his career.

Unfortunately, the close SB wins turned into close SB losses or no one would even be having this discussion, but despite that fact I think he's improved in a lot of areas.

 

[Joker]

I saw Plunkett play...you younger guys have no idea how bad the teams he played on were...in truth, he's LUCKY he wasn't killed on the field...or put in a coma ward...I NEVER saw a QB take the pounding he did for an entire season.

and after all these years, I can truthfully say in all honesty, the TWO most overated Patriots I've ever seen were 4 and 6, otherwise known as Lane and Rucci.

 

[Fencer]

Few of the guys with multiple rings were underrated by the end. Bruschi, Faulk and a bunch of others were underrated for a while, but league-wide opinion eventually swung around.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I saw Plunkett play...you younger guys have no idea how bad the teams he played on were...in truth, he's LUCKY he wasn't killed on the field...or put in a coma ward...I NEVER saw a QB take the pounding he did for an entire season.

and after all these years, I can truthfully say in all honesty, the TWO most overated Patriots I've ever seen were 4 and 6, otherwise known as Lane and Rucci.

Thought of them too, thing is I think the only people who overrated them was the front office who gave them both pretty good size contracts at thr time.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

TFB may be the GOAT, but he has and never will live up to the accolades piled upon him. So he is overrated despite his accomplishments. No disrespect -- I love the man.

I love that Antowain Smith made the underrated list. He was so classy and just what the team needed when he arrived. Compare to overrated clock-killin-dillon.

Is it possible for a player to be both overrated and underrated? If so, I nominate jim plunkett. I can't believe how quickly he has faded from Patriot lore. My father thought 'The Indian' was the savior of the franchise yet today few pay any tribute at all despite his amazing run in Oakland -- I know, Oakland, but still...

Funny how this team has had 2 QB's (+ Cassell in 2008 due to injury) in the last 20 years and you say Brady is the overrated one. A player you yourself called the GOAT, with a 139-36 record and 3 championships yet has been an All Pro only twice and has one MVP trophy compared to Manning's 6 All Pros and 4 MVPs despite a 154-70 record and 1 championship. How can he be both the GOAT (your description) and be overrated while coming up so short in the accolade department (All Pro, MVP awards, etc)?

 

[voluntarysaftey]

I'd put Laurence Maroney on the over-rated list. About half of the Pats Fans posters were arguing that he was a top RB up until he got traded. The other half thought he sucked. But it's amazing how much of disparity in opinion some players get

 

[DaBruinz]

Grogan on the over-rated list? Is Perillo even old enough to have watched Grogan play when Grogan was in his prime?

 

[captain stone]

Thought of them too, thing is I think the only people who overrated them was the front office who gave them both pretty good size contracts at thr time.

That's cuz they were Bledsoe's moshpit-diving buddies, so Booby Grier thought they must be good.

Another member of the Pats' All-Under-Rated Team:
Houston Antwine (but that's a subject maybe for another thread...)

 

[sb1]

I don't.
"Home Game" Slade's splits for Tackles/TFLs/Sacks between home & road games was as stark
as it can get. When the going got tough (as in: on the road), Slade got...nothing.

IMO Slade was still one of the best pass rushing LB's in the league at one time... and despite that was only a pro bowler once and IIRC he made peanuts for salary. Hard for me to call him overrated.

Always liked him. I think injuries ultimately did him in.

 

[lurker1965]

This may be sacrilege but... Brady from 01-02 could probably go on the overrated list.

Your new, so I'll be polite and educate you. Not getting in the way is a skill not learned by many over-rated (think Marino) ego-backs.

I'm going to give you a quote I can't find a link to. It comes from the pre-www era. (You know, before porn got 98% of us interested in this Internet thing.)

"If I ain't throwin', we ain't goin.'"

Does that sound like a guy who lets a good defense or running back or whatever "carry" him or a guy who will throw questionable passes to make sure everyone knows "he da man."

It is from Dan "the man" Marino. Brady of that era (and you are DEAD wrong about 2002 - look up passing TD leaders for that season), Johnson, and even Dilfer were better at keeping their ego in check than some guy you probably think of as good.

EDIT: I think we are using years different. What I call 2001, you call 2001-2002. (You are right, btw.)

 

[lurker1965]

Grogan on the over-rated list? Is Perillo even old enough to have watched Grogan play when Grogan was in his prime?

Perillo is called "Old Man" Perillo. I'm not sure of his age, but I'm sure he saw Grogan.

And let's take off the rose colored nostalgia glasses.

Hey, I LOVE Grogan and think Eason should send him Christmas cards forever, but remember he was hated at times. His back-up, Owen (Owens?), and third stringer Matt Cavanaugh started over a healthy Grogan.

He succeeded where Plunkett failed because he was a running threat behind an offensive line that turned every pass play into a draw.

Oh, the Patriots only TD in SB XX was thrown by Grogan. Just sayin'.

 

[sb1]

Your new, so I'll be polite and educate you. Not getting in the way is a skill not learned by many over-rated (think Marino) ego-backs.

I'm going to give you a quote I can't find a link to. It comes from the pre-www era. (You know, before porn got 98% of us interested in this Internet thing.)

"If I ain't throwin', we ain't goin.'"

Does that sound like a guy who lets a good defense or running back or whatever "carry" him or a guy who will throw questionable passes to make sure everyone knows "he da man."

It is from Dan "the man" Marino. Brady of that era (and you are DEAD wrong about 2002 - look up passing TD leaders for that season), Johnson, and even Dilfer were better at keeping their ego in check than some guy you probably think of as good.

EDIT: I think we are using years different. What I call 2001, you call 2001-2002. (You are right, btw.)

New? Er, not exactly. Here perhaps.. but I've been a Pats fan for a long time.

Back then Brady was a QB who had some nice intangibles but not a guy anyone would have predicted would break NFL records or become a HOFer. People said he was great because he had a ring but he just wasn't. Not yet. Look where his 6.26 YPA in 2002 would put him today.

2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

His passer rating in 02 was also just 85.7. He didn't throw 1 TD pass over 50 yards. I witness his deep passes almost get completed to the cheerleaders.

I've looked at tapes from back then and compare it to now. The difference is like night and day. I like to go by what you see.

I don't think it has to do with him getting out of the way. Bill and Charlie kept the reins on him those years for a good reason.

 

[IllegalContact]

In 2001,Brady had a 69.3 Completion rate with no where near the receivers he had in 2012 and in 2012 he was at a 69.0 CR...less success than in 2001

How do you figure that he was overrated?

RB's caught 100/300 of his completions in 2001
RB's caught 56/400 in 2012

completely different QB, but calling him overrated is a headscratcher

I honestly think Vinatieri was overrated.......2001 vs Oakland, he was clutch on a prayer, and then the rest was pretty much laid out for him......

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

New? Er, not exactly. Here perhaps.. but I've been a Pats fan for a long time.

Back then Brady was a QB who had some nice intangibles but not a guy anyone would have predicted would break NFL records or become a HOFer. People said he was great because he had a ring but he just wasn't. Not yet. Look where his 6.26 YPA in 2002 would put him today.

2012 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

His passer rating in 02 was also just 85.7. He didn't throw 1 TD pass over 50 yards. I witness his deep passes almost get completed to the cheerleaders.

I've looked at tapes from back then and compare it to now. The difference is like night and day. I like to go by what you see.

I don't think it has to do with him getting out of the way. Bill and Charlie kept the reins on him those years for a good reason.

I'm starting to think anyone who joined here after June of 2013 or later are really subversive Tebow fans posing as Patriot fans. No Patriot fan in his right mind would call Brady of 2001-2002 overrated. Underrated, yes - overrated - no ******* way. And your statistical analysis is really lacking - passes over 50 yards as a measuring stick - really? Do you think maybe the passing YPA have anything to do with the defensive rule changes and points of emphasis of the last decade?

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

How about the underrated category. I'll go with defense, and go with a player on the defensive line, one of my fav. DE/DT Jarvis Green, was a force both on the outside and inside and would have flourished as a starter on many other teams. He was very stout vs the run, and a very sturdy pass rusher who used a combination of high motor and strength to bull his way to the quarterback. One of the key pieces to those Championship defenses that nobody talks about. And the other reason that he is on this list is because his contributions led to Championships during the years when Vrabel, Seymour, Bruschi, McGinest, Ty Law and Rodney Harrison were getting all the press.

 

[sb1]

I'm starting to think anyone who joined here after June of 2013 or later are really subversive Tebow fans posing as Patriot fans. No Patriot fan in his right mind would call Brady of 2001-2002 overrated. Underrated, yes - overrated - no ******* way. And your statistical analysis is really lacking - passes over 50 yards as a measuring stick - really? Do you think maybe the passing YPA have anything to do with the defensive rule changes and points of emphasis of the last decade?

Nope. Take a look at the YPA from 2002.

2002 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN


So he was the 25th best QB in football in that category. Is that good?

Like I said, I know what I saw. He was NOT a great passer back then by any means and certainly wasn't THE reason why the Pats won a ring in 01. His numbers were pedestrian across the board. Thankfully he had a work ethic second to none. He busted his ass and totally committed himself to improving to get where he is today. Deserves all the accolades he gets.

 

[Joker]

Nope. Take a look at the YPA from 2002.

2002 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN


So he was the 25th best QB in football in that category. Is that good?

Like I said, I know what I saw. He was NOT a great passer back then by any means and certainly wasn't THE reason why the Pats won a ring in 01. His numbers were pedestrian across the board. Thankfully he had a work ethic second to none. He busted his ass and totally committed himself to improving to get where he is today. Deserves all the accolades he gets.

Not to belabor any point whatsoever BUT...when you post ANY QB chart that shows Glass Shatteredton in the #2 spot, I think it's reasonable to conclude that particular chart is worthless FAIP....

 

[sb1]

Not to belabor any point whatsoever BUT...when you post ANY QB chart that shows Glass Shatteredton in the #2 spot, I think it's reasonable to conclude that particular chart is worthless FAIP....

LOL. Touche.....