Tebow, Blount, Edelman

[manxman2601]

Your not really arguing that a 47% completion rate is acceptable for a QB in the NFL?

That's ludacris!

Tebow made the playoffs with an 8-8 record on the worst division in football. The games he won all came against teams with non winning records with the exception of the Steelers playoff game.

Why don't you just accept the fact that he is even on a team as a backup. It's a good thing considering he was a punt protector last year.

You shouldn't project an argument on to me that I didn't make. I'll try and spell it out again:

1. As a virtual rookie, Tebow had an OK season.

2. Used in isolation, completion percentage is about as idiotic a stat as there is. It is completely devoid of context (hence Alex Smith being better than Brady)

3. Do I think Tebow will challenge Brady? No and I've never suggested such a thing so arguments about his 47% are irrelevant to me as things stand.

4. do I think he can challenge Mallett? Possibly but I give Mallett a considerable edge right now.

5. Do I think Tebow can make the final 53. Absolutely. BB wouldn't have signed him otherwise.

6. Is there value in a #3 QB having fairly significant NFL experience? You betcha!

7. Does Tebow offer value in other areas potentially? Yes. The 53rd man on the roster needs to be a bit of a jack of all trades and I think Tebow can be that guy and offers significant value in that respect.

Tebow made the playoffs with an 8-8 record on the worst division in football. The games he won all came against teams with non winning records with the exception of the Steelers playoff game.

This is what I'm taking issue with. These are cherry picked arguments that are meaningless. Does this ring a bell:

Miami Dolphins - 7-9
NYJ - 6-10
Buffalo Bills - 6-10

So what does this fact tell us about Tom Brady's skills as a QB? If your answer is nothing, you'd be right. And if it tells us nothing about Brady, then how can it inform us about Tebow?

 

[belichick010405]

Firstly, you shouldn't really want to question my intelligence by starting off your post with "your" when you mean "you're".

Secondly, you shouldn't project an argument on to me that I didn't make. I'll try and spell it out again:

1. As a virtual rookie, Tebow had an OK season.

2. Used in isolation, completion percentage is about as idiotic a stat as there is. It is completely devoid of context (hence Alex Smith being better than Brady)

3. Do I think Brady will challenge Brady? No and I've never suggested such a thing so arguments about his 47% are irrelevant to me as things stand.

4. do I think he can change Mallett? Possibly but I give Mallett a considerable edge right now/

5. Do I think Tebow can make the final 53. Absolutely. BB wouldn't have signed him otherwise.

6. Is there value in a #3 QB having fairly significant NFL experience? You betcha!

7. Does Tebow offer value in other areas potentially? you betcha. The 53rd man on the roster needs to be a bit of a jack of all trades and I think Tebow can be that guy and offers significant value in that respect.





This is what I'm taking issue with. These are cherry picked arguments that are meaningless. Does this ring a bell:

Miami Dolphins - 7-9
NYJ - 6-10
Buffalo Bills - 6-10

So what does this fact tell us about Tom Brady's skills as a QB? If your answer is nothing, you'd be right. And if it tells us nothing about Brady, then how can it inform us about Tebow?

That was brilliant bumpkin.

 

[Deus Irae]

See that's where we disagree, you all give Tebow all the credit for their 8-8 record.

In the second half of the season the Broncos won because of,

1. McGahee became the starting RB after a season ending injury to Moreno.
2. Brandon Lloyd was traded, not only removing a looker room cancer but also clearing the way for Thomas and Decker.
3. Dumervil returned in week 3 after missing the entire 2010 season due to injury. He had 9.5 sacks that year all in the second half of the season aka Tebow time.
4. Von Miller exploded in the second half of his rookie season.
5. DJ Williams also returned from injury after missing most of the first half with a shoulder injury.
6. It was Fox's first season as coach, to be expected it took a bit for the players to adjust to him, especially the defensive scheme switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3.

Tebow may of helped but not the way some of you make it out to be.

So much fail here

 

[manxman2601]

That was brilliant bumpkin.

Mea Culpa.

 

[belichick010405]

So much fail here

You would know what fail is because that is what you normally do.

As for his six points, they were all on the mark because, you know, that is what actually happened.

 

[belichick010405]

Well - so much for Mr. Christian Mingle actually knowing anything about Julian Edelman.

Way to go Christian. I see you decided to leave. Buh Bye Troll.

 

[manxman2601]

Well - so much for Mr. Christian Mingle actually knowing anything about Julian Edelman.

Way to go Christian. I see you decided to leave. Buh Bye Troll.

I can't wait for your detailed analysis of Duron Harmon. Being such a great Pats fan and all.

 

[Demosthenes]

You need to learn how to read and more importantly, comprehend what you are reading.

Son,

I had no trouble at all comprehending the BS you dribbled across the page. I had even less trouble demonstrating just how silly and laughable your position was.


In the interim, Manxman also took you to task and made you look rather foolish. Instead of taking the smart path and saying "OOops, let me rephrase, you doubled down on stupid (to quote Ron White) and made yourself look even worse.


Simple fact for you sunshine. Through his first 16 starts, 2 time SB winning QB Eli Manning had 248 completions out of 494 attempts, for a comp % of 50.2%. Roughly about 3 pts higher than Tebow's comp %, and close to 10 pts lower than YOU claimed that a starting QB had to have.

Guess the Giants are rather fortunate that you weren't there to cut Eli, huh ????

 

[Christiancat]

So, since you are a Patriots fan, what is your take on Julian Edelman's role this year?

Going into the 2013 season, Edelman is a good candidate if he can stay healthy, because he improved alot last season and is a player in a position for a bigger and better role with the team. It seems to me that the Patriots have put a finger on how to use him, and he finished with a more efficient season. Edelman had a higher success rate (a stat that measures based on down and distance), more yards per target (7.3 vs. 7.0), and a higher catch rate (65.6%-56.5%).

If Edelman can stay healthy,then hopefully the Pats could play him more because he only played in nine games last season due to a broken hand injury in the first-half of the game against the Baltimore Ravens and a broken foot that he sustained against the Miami Dolphins. The main reason why Edelman’s roster spot isn’t guaranteed is due to his health, because he will be going into training camp with a setback on his previously broken foot. It should be healed by now, but the injury underscores the fact that Edelman consistently struggles with staying healthy.

 

[Deus Irae]

Son,

I had no trouble at all comprehending the BS you dribbled across the page. I had even less trouble demonstrating just how silly and laughable your position was.


In the interim, Manxman also took you to task and made you look rather foolish. Instead of taking the smart path and saying "OOops, let me rephrase, you doubled down on stupid (to quote Ron White) and made yourself look even worse.


Simple fact for you sunshine. Through his first 16 starts, 2 time SB winning QB Eli Manning had 248 completions out of 494 attempts, for a comp % of 50.2%. Roughly about 3 pts higher than Tebow's comp %, and close to 10 pts lower than YOU claimed that a starting QB had to have.

Guess the Giants are rather fortunate that you weren't there to cut Eli, huh ????

Speaking of the Mannings...

Peyton's rookie season:

575 attempts
326 completions
56.7% completion rate


Tebow's thrown only 361 passes to this point in his career.

 

[belichick010405]

I can't wait for your detailed analysis of Duron Harmon. Being such a great Pats fan and all.

I think that Duron Harmon could be quite good based on what I saw of him at Rutgers.

He has good closing speed and is above average athletically. He plays to the sideline better than expected. He was a team leader at Rutgers and that carries well in BB squads.

He was mis-judged by the NFL scouting services and as far as I am concerned that was a good thing.

He will be a good special teams player for the Pats and could be the heir apparent to Adrian Wilson after Wilson teaches him the ropes to life in the NFL. It was a good match for the Pats to get these two guys when they did.

Personally, I like Cyprien more than any safety prospect and who was drafted by the Jaguars but he was long gone by the time the Pats made their first selection.

Duron Harmon*|*Rutgers,*SS*:*2013 NFL Draft Scout External News

 

[Brady6]

So much fail here

What do you mean? I think those are all legit reasons why they did better in the second half. I'm not saying Tebow wasn't part of the reason but I do believe these factors all came into play as well. Strength of schedule also played a part in the second half.

In the days since I've joined I've appreciated your posts more than any others and also you help with user functions. On this however we may have to agree to disagree, not hard feelings either way.

 

[belichick010405]

Going into the 2013 season, Edelman is a good candidate if he can stay healthy, because he improved alot last season and is a player in a position for a bigger and better role with the team. It seems to me that the Patriots have put a finger on how to use him, and he finished with a more efficient season. Edelman had a higher success rate (a stat that measures based on down and distance), more yards per target (7.3 vs. 7.0), and a higher catch rate (65.6%-56.5%).

If Edelman can stay healthy,then hopefully the Pats could play him more because he only played in nine games last season due to a broken hand injury in the first-half of the game against the Baltimore Ravens and a broken foot that he sustained against the Miami Dolphins. The main reason why Edelman’s roster spot isn’t guaranteed is due to his health, because he will be going into training camp with a setback on his previously broken foot. It should be healed by now, but the injury underscores the fact that Edelman consistently struggles with staying healthy.

Do I need to figure out where you copied and pasted that from?

 

[manxman2601]

I think that Duron Harmon could be quite good based on what I saw of him at Rutgers.

He has good closing speed and is above average athletically. He plays to the sideline better than expected. He was a team leader at Rutgers and that carries well in BB squads.

He was mis-judged by the NFL scouting services and as far as I am concerned that was a good thing.

He will be a good special teams player for the Pats and could be the heir apparent to Adrian Wilson after Wilson teaches him the ropes to life in the NFL. It was a good match for the Pats to get these two guys when they did.

Personally, I like Cyprien more than any safety prospect and who was drafted by the Jaguars but he was long gone by the time the Pats made their first selection.

Duron Harmon*|*Rutgers,*SS*:*2013 NFL Draft Scout External News

Nice. And I concur.

 

[Christiancat]

Do I need to figure out where you copied and pasted that from?

Do I need to figure out where you copied and pasted all your stats and bios on each player.I am here to support the team and of course shed light that Tebow isn't as bad as you and some of the others claim. I am not here to prove how or why I support who or what I do.If you would like a link to where I got that info from I would gladly provide it, but it looks like you already have all the links handy to every player on the team or in the nfl for that matter.

 

[Demosthenes]

What do you mean? I think those are all legit reasons why they did better in the second half. I'm not saying Tebow wasn't part of the reason but I do believe these factors all came into play as well. Strength of schedule also played a part in the second half.

In the days since I've joined I've appreciated your posts more than any others and also you help with user functions. On this however we may have to agree to disagree, not hard feelings either way.

Gets to a rather simple question. After starting the season at 1-4, given all the things in the list, do you (or does anyone else) honestly think that the Denver Broncos would have gone 7-4 over the remainder of the season had Kyle Orton remained under center ?

 

[belichick010405]

Going into the 2013 season, Edelman is a good candidate if he can stay healthy, because he improved alot last season and is a player in a position for a bigger and better role with the team. It seems to me that the Patriots have put a finger on how to use him, and he finished with a more efficient season. Edelman had a higher success rate (a stat that measures based on down and distance), more yards per target (7.3 vs. 7.0), and a higher catch rate (65.6%-56.5%).

If Edelman can stay healthy,then hopefully the Pats could play him more because he only played in nine games last season due to a broken hand injury in the first-half of the game against the Baltimore Ravens and a broken foot that he sustained against the Miami Dolphins. The main reason why Edelman’s roster spot isn’t guaranteed is due to his health, because he will be going into training camp with a setback on his previously broken foot. It should be healed by now, but the injury underscores the fact that Edelman consistently struggles with staying healthy.

You messed with the wrong guy and that would be me. If there is one thing that I cannot stand are trolls and those who lie. You are both:

New England Patriots 2013 Profiles: Julian Edelman

Please turn your attention to Paragraph 4. If I was a moderator, you would be gone. If I were you, I would tuck tail your troll ass and leave. There is no room for anyone to come in here and copy and paste someone else's opinion. It is called plagiarism.

 

[Christiancat]

You messed with the wrong guy and that would be me. If there is one thing that I cannot stand are trolls and those who lie. You are both:

New England Patriots 2013 Profiles: Julian Edelman

Please turn your attention to Paragraph 4. If I was a moderator, you would be gone. If I were you, I would tuck tail your troll ass and leave.

Quit calling me a troll and saying I lied. Is there a rule that if we give commentary on a player that we can't use a source. Bolgna. I lied about nothing. You asked for an answer on Julian and I gave it. I never claimed it was or wasn't from a source. No plagirism because I am not writing a term paper or anything of the sort.

 

[Brady6]

You shouldn't project an argument on to me that I didn't make. I'll try and spell it out again:

1. As a virtual rookie, Tebow had an OK season.

2. Used in isolation, completion percentage is about as idiotic a stat as there is. It is completely devoid of context (hence Alex Smith being better than Brady)

3. Do I think Tebow will challenge Brady? No and I've never suggested such a thing so arguments about his 47% are irrelevant to me as things stand.

4. do I think he can challenge Mallett? Possibly but I give Mallett a considerable edge right now.

5. Do I think Tebow can make the final 53. Absolutely. BB wouldn't have signed him otherwise.

6. Is there value in a #3 QB having fairly significant NFL experience? You betcha!

7. Does Tebow offer value in other areas potentially? Yes. The 53rd man on the roster needs to be a bit of a jack of all trades and I think Tebow can be that guy and offers significant value in that respect.





This is what I'm taking issue with. These are cherry picked arguments that are meaningless. Does this ring a bell:

Miami Dolphins - 7-9
NYJ - 6-10
Buffalo Bills - 6-10

So what does this fact tell us about Tom Brady's skills as a QB? If your answer is nothing, you'd be right. And if it tells us nothing about Brady, then how can it inform us about Tebow?

Honestly I'm not arguing I just can't understand why Tebow being on the roster isn't good enough. Why is it that people feel the need to promote him as a starting QB when it's not going to happen as long as Brady is healthy and in the NFL?

If I was a Jets fan with Sanchez as my QB I'd be fine with that desire, losing team, underperforming QB. This team has Tom Brady and he is likely the best QB of all time, you don't mess with that. You ride that thoroughbred as long as possible.

 

[belichick010405]

Quit calling me a troll and saying I lied. Is there a rule that if we give commentary on a player that we can't use a source. Bolgna. I lied about nothing. You asked for an answer on Julian and I gave it. I never claimed it was or wasn't from a source.

I asked you for YOUR opinion on Edelmen's role. That is what you copied and pasted from someone else.

You are clearly not a Patriots fan and you are a ******* troll. Get lost.