PATRIOTS NEWS Explosive New Hernandez Details

[BradyManny]

That's his opinion. Mine is based on the Edelman situation, where they could have easily made a determination that "This guy is more trouble than he's worth/costs," but they didn't. I expect that the Patriots will not rush to judgment, especially given that Hernandez does carry a $10M cap hit over the next two years if the Patriots are the ones who remove him from the team.

I do expect that if he remains with the team, though, the Pats will requiire him to renegotiate his contract to force him to stay on the right track (e.g., any suspension, for any reason, results in him losing $MM down the road or getting outright cut).

That's true, and I - for one - was guilty of rushing to judgement on the Edelman situation.

Agreed that the cap hit is a compelling reason for the Pats not to be hasty.

 

[PP2]

That's his opinion. Mine is based on the Edelman situation, where they could have easily made a determination that "This guy is more trouble than he's worth/costs," but they didn't. I expect that the Patriots will not rush to judgment, especially given that Hernandez does carry a $10M cap hit over the next two years if the Patriots are the ones who remove him from the team.

I do expect that if he remains with the team, though, the Pats will requiire him to renegotiate his contract to force him to stay on the right track (e.g., any suspension, for any reason, results in him losing $MM down the road or getting outright cut).

My belief is that the Patriots will suspend him indefinitely to retain his rights and to prevent him from signing with another team should he ever clear up his name. I think they will be able to recover his signing bonus through the morals clause and I don't think the league will dispute the Patriots request to remove the cap hit, should he be imprisoned or at least charged.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

(just wild speculation on my part)

I'm starting to wonder if Aaron's sister was involved and Aaron is covering up to protect her. If the other two guys were released and aren't being put under this type of scrutiny (have no idea BTW), it would make some sense. Has anyone seen his sister since this happened? I know some woman was reported being there at first but has it been confirmed who they were? I would think that if it were her boyfriend and this was something innocent, she would be there or Aaron would be consoling her. I haven't heard "boo" about her right now (might have just missed it). How about Aaron's girlfriend? Anyone seen her either?

 

[PP2]

they are going to search the water for the gun,

If they are able to find the murder weapon that was used in the execution of the victim, I think that will really change how things look.

 

[BradyManny]

As for the other two men, they were taken in for interviews and released rather quickly so I assume that the investigation isn't really focusing on them anymore.

But how do we know it's a safe assumption? The police are focused on the area where the crime occurred - near Hernandez' home - and we are aware of this due to the higher media presence. We do not know what else/who else they are investigating.

We don't even know if the police believe Hernandez is a suspect in this case, for anything other than obstruction, which - at the moment - seems to be a tactical ploy to get him to talk - as he is the person with clearly the most to lose in the situation.

 

[Concerned_Citizen]

Let me try to tie this all together for you. The Tampa Bay area like the Miami Beach area have a high concentration of what we lovingly refer to down here as Senile Citizens. A naturally occuring dilution of the brain trust with their yearly arrivals. Considering that we are also the national headquarters of the "Hey Y'all watch this crowd" that is saying a lot. Most senile citizens, incidentally, come from the great northern land of the Gangrene Nation and have never had a drivers licence. So they move down here, get themselves a new Family Truckster and then proceed to wipe out a bus stop bench full of fellow senile citizens who were out sunning themselves and talking about their ailments. Any reference to Bucs or Fins was intentional and not purely incidental. :loco:

To make some attempt to stay on topic, as much as I liked AHern at UofF, he was a bit of a problem there as well.

SF

That actually explains a lot about my experiences with Floridians over the years, but I digress...

What sort of problems did Hernandez pose as a Gator? This is the first a lot of us have heard that he was problematic. Even heard the cops talked to him about some case of yet another murder or crime that took place right around his time with the Gators, though he wasn't actually involved in that one. Most of what I found was pretty vague at best.

 

[Concerned_Citizen]

Then why the need to smash his surveillance system and break his cell phone?

Who knows? Maybe he was covering up something else that could get him into trouble that had nothing to do with the murder. Maybe some shady deal, maybe an affair he didn't want made public...

...we won't know unless the info is somehow salvageable. But so far, all they seem to have is Obstruction of Justice, and even that seems shaky at best since they could have done that 4 or 5 days ago and haven't for some reason. Either they are being EXTREMELY careful in this investigation, or perhaps they are giving him enough rope to hang himself with as he runs around trying to destroy more evidence... if there is any.

 

[Triumph]

A voice of reason...I hope nobody on Patsfans.com is going to defend Hernadez on this. God Forbid if the dead person was anybody in our families. Hernandez is a ungrateful thug who should get what he deserves...a very long time in jail.

Thank you.

If Hernandez was a Jet these Pats Fans.Com enablers and excuse makers would have torches and pitch forks in hand right now.

 

[BradyManny]

If Hernandez was a Jet these Pats Fans.Com enablers and excuse makers would have torches and pitch forks in hand right now.

This statement reveals nothing about his innocent or guilt. No one denies we'd be harder on a Jets player and jump to conclusions more easily.

 

[JMC00]

yes.........they went through the 15 bags and there was no gun in there.......

they are going to search the water for the gun, then they will go get another 15 bags out of his house

Do you really think they just brought the bags back to the police station and they've just been sitting there?

As soon as they brought them back there were going through them and testing them for stuff. Probably went through them twice again yesterday.

 

[Nehalem]

That's his opinion. Mine is based on the Edelman situation, where they could have easily made a determination that "This guy is more trouble than he's worth/costs," but they didn't. I expect that the Patriots will not rush to judgment, especially given that Hernandez does carry a $10M cap hit over the next two years if the Patriots are the ones who remove him from the team.

The difference is with Edelman the "evidence" against him was the word of a woman that was contradicted by video.

With Hernandez any video evidence that could have cleared him may have been destroyed

That said I expect the Patriots to wait to see what becomes of the investigation. They really gain nothing by being hasty.

 

[JMC00]

If they are able to find the murder weapon that was used in the execution of the victim, I think that will really change how things look.

Colin A. Young ?@ColinAYoung 10m
As investigators exited the swamp all they would say is that they were looking for "evidence." #Hernandez

Colin A. Young ?@ColinAYoung 8m
State Police investigators did also say "no" when asked if they found anything. #hernandez

Sorry I know you probably had you heart set on them finding something.

 

[shmessy]

That actually explains a lot about my experiences with Floridians over the years, but I digress...

What sort of problems did Hernandez pose as a Gator? This is the first a lot of us have heard that he was problematic.

Really???

So he dropped to the 4th round because of on-field performance?

Look, I'm here saying repeatedly that all conjecture is a waste of time right now.....about as useless and wrong as the threads regarding Edelman awhile back by everyone who had no clue.

However, that statement by you is a head scratcher. You mean to say he had no negative reputation coming out of college?????

 

[PP2]

Who knows? Maybe he was covering up something else that could get him into trouble that had nothing to do with the murder. Maybe some shady deal, maybe an affair he didn't want made public...

...we won't know unless the info is somehow salvageable. But so far, all they seem to have is Obstruction of Justice, and even that seems shaky at best since they could have done that 4 or 5 days ago and haven't for some reason. Either they are being EXTREMELY careful in this investigation, or perhaps they are giving him enough rope to hang himself with as he runs around trying to destroy more evidence... if there is any.

It took 11 days to arrest Jayson Williams and the circumstances in that case was more clear cut than they are in this one.

After his arrest, Jayson Williams never returned to professional basketball again.

I think the individuals in charge of the investigation are well aware that something similar will probably happen to Hernandez if they choose to arrest him, whether or not they have enough to make it stick.

So it goes without saying that it would be wise and prudent for them to act very slowly and deliberate.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

A voice of reason...I hope nobody on Patsfans.com is going to defend Hernadez on this. God Forbid if the dead person was anybody in our families. Hernandez is a ungrateful thug who should get what he deserves...a very long time in jail.

So because ahern hasn't done anything that proves he killed someone or did anything in this case (besides rent a couple cars) your ready to convict him? WOW, get a clue.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

This statement reveals nothing about his innocent or guilt. No one denies we'd be harder on a Jets player and jump to conclusions more easily.

And if Ray Lewis had been a lifelong NE Patriot,all fans here would still say he had nothing to do with that killing even today.

Lets face it,Sports fans are some of the biggest hipocrites in the world.

 

[shmessy]

So because ahern hasn't done anything that proves he killed someone or did anything in this case (besides rent a couple cars) your ready to convict him? WOW, get a clue.

Unless you are part of the official investigation, your statement above is borne completely from ignorance.

The very same amount of ignorance (just from the opposite side) used by Patsfan2 and Triumph.

The level of certitude from both sides by people who have no actual knowledge of the investigation is astounding.

It really says more about people who write that than about the situation.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Then why the need to smash his surveillance system and break his cell phone?

You don't know when or if the surveillance system became inoperable.

I know that the security system on my car when set could be setoff by unconscious actions on my part, or other non useful occurences such as a heavy truck rumbling by and tripping the motion sensors. After half a dozen such experiences I grew to hate the damn thing. I might have smashed the damn thing if I could, if I had a bad temper. I just haven't set the thing for years.

I said before that I probably, like many people, have old, broken or obsolescent cell phones lying around. Who is to say the cell phone was broken, or merely inoperative, or even when it became that way?
Even if he destroyed them immediately prior, since when is that evidence of murder?

As for the cleaning service, do we even know if they hired explicitly and unusually for that time, or more probably provide cleaning service routinely after a weekend? Since when is cleaning your house a crime?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

It took 11 days to arrest Jayson Williams and the circumstances in that case was more clear cut than they are in this one.

After his arrest, Jayson Williams never returned to professional basketball again.

I think the individuals in charge of the investigation are well aware that something similar will probably happen to Hernandez if they choose to arrest him, whether or not they have enough to make it stick.

So it goes without saying that it would be wise and prudent for them to act very slowly and deliberate.

I think had this occurred closer to or even during the regular season...Hernandez is being booked on obstruction of justice already.

There is no way they would allow a player in question of a murder to be going across states to play a football game.

 

[BradyManny]

And if Ray Lewis had been a lifelong NE Patriot,all fans here would still say he had nothing to do with that killing even today.

The larger point I agree with, but this specific part I do not - if Hernandez were to get convicted of obstruction, NE/Boston fans would not take that lightly.