Freeney and Abraham visit the Broncos per Schefter

[EwanSellars]

do you think this means they are moving on from dumervil? I think this gives us a good oppurtunity to scoop up dumervil and stick it to the broncos

 

[mgteich]

The broncos will get first choice. Hopefully, the patriots will get one of the three.

 

[Ring 6]

The broncos will get first choice. Hopefully, the patriots will get one of the three.

Why will the Broncos get first choice?

 

[mgteich]

IMHO, they are willing to pay more than we are.

As Rotoworld has indicated, we should know a lot more in the next 24 hours.

Why will the Broncos get first choice?

 

[Ring 6]

IMHO, they are willing to pay more than we are.

As Rotoworld has indicated, we should know a lot more in the next 24 hours.

I don't know why you think that, but even if thats the case it doesn't mean they have first choice over us, it means they will overpay a guy we don't want, at that price.

 

[mgteich]

Yes, that will be our spin. Whoever Denver chooses will be a player that we didn't want at the price they paid.

I don't know why you think that, but even if thats the case it doesn't mean they have first choice over us, it means they will overpay a guy we don't want, at that price.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Why will the Broncos get first choice?

They might pay more

 

[Rob0729]

IMHO, they are willing to pay more than we are.

As Rotoworld has indicated, we should know a lot more in the next 24 hours.

I don't know if they can afford to pay more. I read somewhere their current cap # is $117 million. Which means they are only $5 million under the cap. They might have been able to pay Dumervil more with a long term deal (although reports are that he was underwhelmed by their offer), but guys in their mid-30s like Freeney and Abraham will be less likely.

I think their primary target is Freeney while the Pats is Abraham. I am not that worried right now.

EDIT: Over the Cap have them at $121.2 million towards the cap. I don't know what their adjusted cap number is, but I don't think they have a lot of money to get into a bidding war.

 

[ralmat55]

The Ravens will get Dumervil because even in their tight cap position they will extend themselves a little to get a good player unlike the Patriots who will end up resigning Trevor Scott after Abraham signs with the Broncos.

The fax fiasco was the worse thing to happen to the penny pinching Pats and their attempt to get a pass-rushing DE.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I don't know why you think that, but even if thats the case it doesn't mean they have first choice over us, it means they will overpay a guy we don't want, at that price.

Overpay is a dumb word when it comes down to a player going to a new team......you need hindsight to have the word overpay used before the player plays one down.

If Freeney or Abraham gets 10 sacks and makes big plays wherever they go,they will have earned that money,no matter how high it is.

Overpay for a new player on a new team should only be used once he completes his first season there.

 

[Brady2Moss]

The Ravens will get Dumervil because even in their tight cap position they will extend themselves a little to get a good player unlike the Patriots who will end up resigning Trevor Scott after Abraham signs with the Broncos.

The fax fiasco was the worse thing to happen to the penny pinching Pats and their attempt to get a pass-rushing DE.

Not sure I agree about the fax thing being the worst thing that could happen, they'll get one of Abraham or Freeney since there is no market for either player. Pats aren't getting Dumerville because they will have to pay him what he is worth, they want to underpay to get people playing above their contract. That's fine but it won't land you any free agents besides the old kind.

 

[JackBauer]

Not sure I agree about the fax thing being the worst thing that could happen, they'll get one of Abraham or Freeney since there is no market for either player. Pats aren't getting Dumerville because they will have to pay him what he is worth, they want to underpay to get people playing above their contract. That's fine but it won't land you any free agents besides the old kind.

I'm curious what your threshold is for "old," and how someone like, say, Amendola would fit in there?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

The Ravens will get Dumervil because even in their tight cap position they will extend themselves a little to get a good player unlike the Patriots who will end up resigning Trevor Scott after Abraham signs with the Broncos.

The fax fiasco was the worse thing to happen to the penny pinching Pats and their attempt to get a pass-rushing DE.

If they were so cheap and penny pinching,they would be sitting on a lot of cap money to use....that's not the situation.

The Pats will always look to spreading out the money to multiple players in FA than risk it all on one or two players that are highly sought...and expensive....

.....that's one of the reasons why the team usually has great depth in many positions.

 

[Brady2Moss]

I'm curious what your threshold is for "old," and how someone like, say, Amendola would fit in there?

Are we talking about Amendola? I'm pretty sure I said if you don't pay market value you don't get anyone besides old guys like Abraham and Freeney.

I'm guessing they paid Amendola his market value given they paid him more than Wes Welker got per year and for longer years. You know the guy that is #1 at the position Amendola plays.

 

[JackBauer]

Are we talking about Amendola? I'm pretty sure I said if you don't pay market value you don't get anyone besides old guys like Abraham and Freeney.

I'm guessing they paid Amendola his market value given they paid him more than Wes Welker got per year and for longer years. You know the guy that is #1 at the position Amendola plays.

They overpaid to get a younger player...which pretty much flies in the face of your thesis there Professor.

 

[Brady2Moss]

They overpaid to get a younger player...which pretty much flies in the face of your thesis there Professor.

I said they paid the market .2 million isn't overpay. They pay the market sometimes, but not often for free agents. Majority of the time they don't do that and you know it. All I said to the poster is that they won't be getting Dumervil is there any point to you singling out my response? Or are you just trying to follow me around telling me I'm stupid.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

The Ravens will get Dumervil because even in their tight cap position they will extend themselves a little to get a good player unlike the Patriots who will end up resigning Trevor Scott after Abraham signs with the Broncos.

The fax fiasco was the worse thing to happen to the penny pinching Pats and their attempt to get a pass-rushing DE.

What about Boldin, Reed, Kruger, Ellerby, etc? The Ravens didn't extend there.

The Ravens FO is much more similar to the Pats than many of us would like to believe. Now, the coaching staff and attitude of the players may be different, but their philosophies are the same.

 

[Rob0729]

The Ravens will get Dumervil because even in their tight cap position they will extend themselves a little to get a good player unlike the Patriots who will end up resigning Trevor Scott after Abraham signs with the Broncos.

The fax fiasco was the worse thing to happen to the penny pinching Pats and their attempt to get a pass-rushing DE.

Several things:

• I still don't know if the Ravens will win Dumervil's services. They didn't pay Kruger or Ellerbee (or Reed for that matter). Not so sure their offer is any better than the Broncos' offer. In fact, word was the Broncos offered more, but way below what Dumervil is looking for.
• Odds are the Broncos will sign Freeney over Abraham. Abraham wants the Pats over the Broncos all things being equal according to reports and Manning is campaigning for Freeney. So the Pats will likely get Abraham. The real question is whether they could have gotten both if Denver didn't lose Dumervil.
• The "penny pinching" Patriots have an excellent pulse on the market. They aren't going to overpay in a market where it is clearly a buyer's market.

 

[JackBauer]

I said they paid the market .2 million isn't overpay. They pay the market sometimes, but not often for free agents. Majority of the time they don't do that and you know it. All I said to the poster is that they won't be getting Dumervil is there any point to you singling out my response? Or are you just trying to follow me around telling me I'm stupid.

I'd say they overpaid Amendola relative to his production.

You'll notice I wasn't addressing your contention that they won't get Dumervil, only your ridiculous assertion that the Patriots will always underpay and thus only get past-prime, declining free agents. That's why I singled out your post, so you can put the cross down now.

 

[Brady2Moss]

I'd say they overpaid Amendola relative to his production.

You'll notice I wasn't addressing your contention that they won't get Dumervil, only your ridiculous assertion that the Patriots will always underpay and thus only get past-prime, declining free agents. That's why I singled out your post, so you can put the cross down now.

Actually the guy I was responding to was saying the Patriots are penny-pinchers. My point was they usually want to underpay, and that has been shown through them lowballing almost everyone.