Official (not rumors) 2013 NFL Free Agency Thread

[BadMoFo]

3 year deal but haven't seen $$ yet. I hope it's ~7m or less, Smith was probably going to be the highest paid CB this year, maybe Talib. This deal will be the CB market tone setter and we'll pretty quickly see the rest fall into place now. Probably all gone by the end of tomorrow.

Lets just hope we can snag at least one, hopefully two.

Sounds like $5 million a year. Talib isn't gonna get a huge payday, less than Welker. I think we should get him, and maybe a few others at that price.

 

[BadMoFo]

Keenan Lewis going to Saints.

 

[MUFC7]

Great with every CB gone Talib gets more leverage in his contract talks. This FA has been frustrating so far. But as the Amendola signing showed we and the media know nothing about what is really going on at the Pats

 

[strngplyr]

6m per for Smith. Market set IMO. Domino effect incoming.

 

[mgteich]

How about Thomas/Decker/Welker v. the patriot secondary?

It's going to be Thomas/Decker/Welker v. Flowers/Smith/Robinson

Denver wins that by a landslide.

 

[strngplyr]

Great with every CB gone Talib gets more leverage in his contract talks. This FA has been frustrating so far. But as the Amendola signing showed we and the media know nothing about what is really going on at the Pats

Uhh, only 1 big CB signed and another is in talks (Lewis visiting Saints sounds like the next one). Talib's leverage walked out the door with Smith signing for 6m/year. CBs are going to be a huge bargain this year.

 

[JackBauer]

It's going to be Thomas/Decker/Welker v. Flowers/Smith/Robinson

Denver wins that by a landslide.

Oh, I only meant that in the sense that Smith is never anyone I wanted the Patriots to sign.

 

[MUFC7]

Uhh, only 1 big CB signed and another is in talks (Lewis visiting Saints sounds like the next one). Talib's leverage walked out the door with Smith signing for 6m/year. CBs are going to be a huge bargain this year.

Yeah but it's day 3 so a visit is rather telling. If Lewis is also gone which CB in the same class as Talib is left? Only Nnamdi and many teams are interested in him.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Interesting stuff on the Mike Wallace contract:

Here are the full details, per a source with knowledge of the contract.

1. $11 million signing bonus.

2. $1 million base salary in 2013, fully guaranteed.

3. $15 million base salary in 2014, fully guaranteed.

4. $9.85 million base salary in 2015, $3 million of which is guaranteed for injury at signing and fully guaranteed next March.

5. $11.45 million base salary in 2016.

6. $11.45 million base salary in 2017.

7. $50,000 workout bonus, each year.

The cap numbers are $3.25 million in 2013, $17.25 million in 2014, $12.1 million in 2015, $13.7 million in 2016, and $13.7 million in 2017.

From ProFootballTalk

This creates a monster cap charge for Miami starting in 2014. They're going to need to restructure this next year. With all the guaranteed money, I'm having a hard time figuring out how they can do so without really messing up their cap even more in 2015 and beyond.

 

[Deus Irae]

How about Thomas/Decker/Welker v. the patriot secondary?

Ask me again once the Patriots actually get a secondary.

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh, I only meant that in the sense that Smith is never anyone I wanted the Patriots to sign.

I hear you. I was just using your comment as a starting point and matching the Chiefs secondary up to their divisional competition.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The Smith signing is great news for the Pats, IMO. If Talib signs for anything in the same ballpark as that, it will be a major win. 3/21, with half guaranteed, would be a great signing by just about any measure. Will probably take more than that, but if the 'top' corners keep signing for deals in the $6M per area, that bodes well.

 

[strngplyr]

I hear you. I was just using your comment as a starting point and matching the Chiefs secondary up to their divisional competition.

To be fair though, theyre doing a good job matching up for the other 14 games they'll play, you just don't match up against some WR corps though and have to hope for Manning to make mistakes. He's still a 16+ INT/year guy and maybe exploit their defense with your own WR's.

Not really a fair comparison.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Smith signing is great news for the Pats, IMO. If Talib signs for anything in the same ballpark as that, it will be a major win. 3/21, with half guaranteed, would be a great signing by just about any measure. Will probably take more than that, but if the 'top' corners keep signing for deals in the $6M per area, that bodes well.

Shopping at Walmart........

 

[BradyFTW!]

Interesting stuff on the Mike Wallace contract:



From ProFootballTalk

This creates a monster cap charge for Miami starting in 2014. They're going to need to restructure this next year. With all the guaranteed money, I'm having a hard time figuring out how they can do so without really messing up their cap even more in 2015 and beyond.

That's a terrible structured contract. I guess they figure they want to get the biggest cap hit out of the way before they have to think about restructuring Tannehill, in the hopeful (unlikely) event that Tannehill pans out at all. But still... $17M+ cap hit for Mike Wallace? I guess they can wave goodbye to their prospects of competing.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Shopping at Walmart........

If paying established market rate in free agency is shopping at WalMart, then pretty much every team in the league is doing that.

 

[Deus Irae]

To be fair though, theyre doing a good job matching up for the other 14 games they'll play, you just don't match up against some WR corps though and have to hope for Manning to make mistakes. He's still a 16+ INT/year guy and maybe exploit their defense with your own WR's.

Not really a fair comparison.

They'll have to beat Manning with their pass rush, and they've got talented edge guys for that, in Houston and Hali. I think they'll find out what everyone else did against the Patriots, though, which is that Welker is the difference maker, as long as he's got help on the outside and the QB isn't injured.

 

[Deus Irae]

If paying established market rate in free agency is shopping at WalMart, then pretty much every team in the league is doing that.

Guys last year = 9 million
Same guys this year = 6 million


Shopping at Walmart, which was my point. As I noted elsewhere, I don't generally consider that a bad thing.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Guys last year = 9 million
Same guys this year = 6 million


Shopping at Walmart, which was my point. As I noted elsewhere, I don't generally consider that a bad thing.

Guess we have different definitions of shopping at WalMart, then. If they were paying below-market rates, that'd be shopping at WalMart, as I see it. The difference that you're highlighting is just the difference between operating in a buyers' or sellers' market.

If the Patriots are offering more than anyone else for a guy who's considered top-tier in FA at his position, then I don't see how that could be considered shopping at WalMart, unless everyone else is eating out of the garbage.

 

[Deus Irae]

Guess we have different definitions of shopping at WalMart, then. If they were paying below-market rates, that'd be shopping at WalMart, as I see it. The difference that you're highlighting is just the difference between operating in a buyers' or sellers' market.

If the Patriots are offering more than anyone else for a guy who's considered top-tier in FA at his position, then I don't see how that could be considered shopping at WalMart, unless everyone else is eating out of the garbage.

I'm using the phrase that the Patriots reportedly used for this year. You're trying to argue it for some reason.