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You're going to judge the Big 10 ridiculously overrated off a couple games?

Let's look at the first round draft choices out of both leagues the last few years. I'll bold the guys that started and played decently, and mark the busts in red. I'll leave the others blank. Some, like Eli Manning, are difficult, because he's definitely not performing up to his rank, and I think if he had a different last name, he might not even be starting. He might already be labeled a Heath Schuler type bust. Dewayne Robertson may be considered a bust because of his position and cost, but he's an alright player so I left him be. With Michael Clayton, I don't know what to do with him. Great rookie year, and now he doesn't even start. 30 catches is not where I want my 3rd year 1st round draft choice to be, so I left him as a JAG.

Big 10:
1. AJ Hawk
2. Donte Whitner
3. Chad Greenway IR
4. Bobby Carpenter
5. Tamba Hali
6. Lawrence Maroney
7. Santonio Holmes
8. Nick Mangold
9. Braylon Edwards
10. Erasmus James IR
11. Luis Castillo
12. Marlin Jackson
13. Roberty Gallery
14. Lee Evans
15. Will Smith
16. Chris Perry IR
17. Chris Gamble
18. Michael Jenkins
19. Carlos Rogers
20. Jimmy Kennedy
21. Michael Haynes
22. Bryant Johnson
23. Dallas Clark
24. Larry Johnson
25. Eric Steinbach

Big 10 has 16 contributors, 4 JAGs, 3 on IR, 2 Busts

SEC:
1. Jay Cutler
2. Jason Allen
3. Joseph Addai
4. Johnathan Joseph
5. Ronnie Brown
6. Carnell Williams
7. Troy Williamson
8. Carlos Rogers
9. Thomas Davis
10. David Pollack IR CAREER OVER
11. Marcus Spears
12. Matt Jones
13. Jason Campbell
14. Chris Spencer
15. Eli Manning
16. Dunta Robinson
17. Shawn Andrews
18. Michael Clayton
19. Ahmad Carroll
20. Ben Watson
21. Dewayne Robertson
22. Johnathan Sullivan
23. George Foster
24. Rex Grossman

SEC has 12 contributors, 9 JAGs, 1 on IR-Career Over, which means the pick was a bust, and 2 outright busts.

The last several years, I think the two leagues are relatively even with an equal amount of talent coming out of both leagues.

The premise is sound with this post, but I can't really agree with some of your choices of player contribution. Disagreements are on:

* Carpenter was inactive for much of the early season and is closer to a bust than contributor. JAG is the only choice here.

* Gallery starts by default. He is quite terrible. B.U.S.T is the only choice.

* Cutler is better than you give him credit for. Sure Jake the Snake was playing poor, but he is a contributor and that is why he started at the end.

* I think Campbell will be good, but I can see why you labeled him as a JAG.

* I suppose I could be factoring in the fact that he was a #4 pick, but Robertson is a JAG.

Again, I see the point, but I just had a few disagreements.
 
The premise is sound with this post, but I can't really agree with some of your choices of player contribution. Disagreements are on:

* Carpenter was inactive for much of the early season and is closer to a bust than contributor. JAG is the only choice here.

* Gallery starts by default. He is quite terrible. B.U.S.T is the only choice.

* Cutler is better than you give him credit for. Sure Jake the Snake was playing poor, but he is a contributor and that is why he started at the end.

* I think Campbell will be good, but I can see why you labeled him as a JAG.

* I suppose I could be factoring in the fact that he was a #4 pick, but Robertson is a JAG.

Again, I see the point, but I just had a few disagreements.

Exactly what I was going to say. I think Gallery is worse than a bust. Unless the coaching changes slow down in Oakland, he will go down as one of the worst top tackles picked in a long time. Carpenter had trouble getting on the field and learning the Parcells system.
 
The premise is sound with this post, but I can't really agree with some of your choices of player contribution. Disagreements are on:

* Carpenter was inactive for much of the early season and is closer to a bust than contributor. JAG is the only choice here.

* Gallery starts by default. He is quite terrible. B.U.S.T is the only choice.

* Cutler is better than you give him credit for. Sure Jake the Snake was playing poor, but he is a contributor and that is why he started at the end.

* I think Campbell will be good, but I can see why you labeled him as a JAG.

* I suppose I could be factoring in the fact that he was a #4 pick, but Robertson is a JAG.

Again, I see the point, but I just had a few disagreements.


I agree with your changes. On Gallery, I've heard that he's still highly regarded by some GMs, despite his play. They blame Oakland. Honestly, I only watched Cutler at the end, and what I saw wasn't impressive. Carpenter I didn't track too much. I only knew he was playing.
 
I haven't decided who my dream pick at #24 is yet.

#28 I want Merriweather. Our Ed Reed and I don't think he's the jerk some make him out to be.

Round 2 I want David Harris. No-one's convinced me yet that Willis in the first round is better than Harris in the second.

A WR or LB in Round 3 will likely be my pick here but I haven't picked out names yet.
 
Exactly what I was going to say. I think Gallery is worse than a bust. Unless the coaching changes slow down in Oakland, he will go down as one of the worst top tackles picked in a long time. Carpenter had trouble getting on the field and learning the Parcells system.

Carpenter started to play well at the end of the season. He had a pretty good game against the Seahawks in the playoffs.
 
I haven't decided who my dream pick at #24 is yet.

#28 I want Merriweather. Our Ed Reed and I don't think he's the jerk some make him out to be.

Round 2 I want David Harris. No-one's convinced me yet that Willis in the first round is better than Harris in the second.

A WR or LB in Round 3 will likely be my pick here but I haven't picked out names yet.

I guess you missed the Senior Bowl - because Willis was the best player on the South squad - bye far.

Meriweather is a solid player - but ask yourself this: Would you want Sean Taylor on the Pats? I wouldn't.

1) Poz or Willis
1 [from Sea]) Dwayne Bowe, Marcus McCauly, or the best Safety available (not Meriweather though - bad chemistry guy)
2) LaMarr Woodley

Late round guys I'd like to see are Chansi Stuckley, Jonnie Lee Higgins, Jay Moore, Aundrae Allison, Prescott Burgess....
 
I guess you missed the Senior Bowl - because Willis was the best player on the South squad - bye far.
I've heard varying opinions on that, some agree with you, some disagree.

If he's that good, I'm fine with Willis, Merriweather, Harris as our top 3 picks - assuming we still have Samuel or a decent replacement.
 
I've heard varying opinions on that, some agree with you, some disagree.

If he's that good, I'm fine with Willis, Merriweather, Harris as our top 3 picks - assuming we still have Samuel or a decent replacement.

I see a whole lot of London Fletcher in Willis. He was a beast and there was one play where he was blocked by the tackle or tight end on the left side of the field - the offense ran a reverse to the right. The back got the outside and turned the corner -- he outran everyone but Willis took a fantastic angle and showed some excellent speed for a Linebacker -- making the tackle after being taken out of the play. That's the never say quit attitude the Pats look for. Posluszny on the North was quiet but I think he was lined up outside - I suspect if they put him inside he'd thrive.

Willis I think ended with 11 or 12 tackles. I'll say this though - Brandon Meriweather and Michael Griffin also looked very solid. I'd take Griffin over Meriweather though just on character alone, if we took any Safety.

Aundrae Allision was the best looking WR IMO and Jason Hill had a very nice end zone catch as well. Unfortunately for Dwayne Bowe of the South the OLine didn't give any QB time to get he ball to him so we couldn't see what he could showcase but his body of work during the week of practice may have propelled him ahead of Sidney Rice as maybe the 4th WR which could put him in Pats territory should they choose to take a WR which I doubt they do.

All in all it was a pretty lousy game and there were more fumbles than complete passes I think...
 
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We lost Givens, Ashworth, Vinitieri, T Dwight, A Davis, & Fuaria. We signed Tebucky back & Mel Mitchell who never played. I based the 3, 5 & 7 on our losses in 2005 (when we gained those picks) of Compton, B Hamilton, Washington, & Woody, while signing only Traylor. I might be off, as year to year it varies based on the losses other teams have (and the fact that they only give up 32 comp picks/ year), but not enough for you guys to get all snarky about. Get a life!

Edit: we also added R Caldwell.

And Matt Chatham and a couple other folks. Best guess--sadly--is four picks, 4-6-6-7.
 
If Willis has the kind of mobility most seem to say (although I still hear the opposite on occasion) then getting him and Harris would be my dream scenario for #24 and round 2 - that would give us our new era Johnson/Bruschi in Harris/Willis respectively. Re-sign Seau for a year, work Harris/Willis in as needed as have them ready to go as the ILB starters in 2008.

That still leaves #28 with which I'm taking a CB or Safety. I still like Merriweather, no-one's convinced me he's a bad guy as opposed to someone who's made a few mistakes (and in the gun case more like being in the wrong place at the wrong time). I do like some of the CB too, though, if we lose Samuel. If we cross Merrieweather off I"m OK with Griffin at #28. I think he's a second round Safety, not a first round, but his ST play bumps him up.
 
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Two Florida State linebackers that I think would look real good in a Pats uniform that haven't been mentioned at all are Lawrence Timmons and Buster Davis.

Timmons is an absolute monster at OLB and would be real fun to watch play on the opposite side of Rosey. He was the team owner of the hit stick and is incredible on special teams. He blocked a couple kicks this year and I one of them he also recovered the kick and returned it for a touchdown. He also had a couple interception returns for touchdowns. He's real fast and strong. He's currently ranked the number 24 overall prospect, so he could be had with one of the Pats two picks.

Buster Davis on the other hand and undersized and fat. However, he is real strong and sheds block real well. His best asset though is his instincts. He's real smart and is in on every tackle. He's going to be underrated and could be a steal in the 2nd or 3rd round.

IMO these guys are every bit as good as Ernie Sims was when he was here and just as fun to watch. We all know how good of a year Sims had for the Lions. Don't let stats fool you. Just because Poslouzny has a lot more tackles doesn't mean he's better. FSU rotates there linebackers and they don't play every down like Poslouzny did. IMO Poslouzny might be a little overrated.
 
Please don't be too critical of my picks cuz this is just for fun and I'm also a big Cal fan and alumnus. lol

1. Marshawn Lynch RB (the big surprise pick that BB pulls because we still have Corey Dillon, but he can be the big bruisin back to replace Corey in our running attack)

1a. Daymeion Hughes CB (an interception machine that can pick up where Asante left off if Samuel leaves)

2. Paul Posluszny LB (stock may have dropped, but not potential)

3. Steve Smith WR (probably could have been number 1 receiver for most teams that didn't have Jarrett on it)

4. Prescott Burgess LB (we have a big need at LB and could afford to choose several at this position and use the best. Remember that last year Roach and Mincey were the big names but Woods and Mays stepped up to get roster spots)

5. Zak DeOssie LB (don't know much about him but with his bloodlines, seems like a football player to me. Didn't his dad play for like the Giants?)

6. Desmond Bishop LB (if we take this many LBs then hopefully the best stick and then we are set at this position for years. This seems like a good draft for LBs)

The rest of the picks I would use to either get some veterans from other teams or to stock pile more picks in next year's draft unless BB sees a hidden gem that he really likes.
 
1a - Anthony Spencer Purdue.
1b - Trade back to middle of 2nd round, pick up a 2nd for next year. With 2a - Brandon Merriweather
2b - Stewart Bradley Nebraska
3 - Jason Hill Wash. St.
 
1a - Anthony Spencer Purdue.
1b - Trade back to middle of 2nd round, pick up a 2nd for next year. With 2a - Brandon Merriweather
If you're going to trade down with 1b, I would do it with 1a too. I like Spencer but #24 is a bit high IMO - I think he's more of a high #2 pick.
 
Dirty Water II from the Kffl Forums posted this explaining Meriweather's behavior...he's a personal friend of Meriweather's....


Originally Posted by Dirty Water II
Okay, let me set the record straight here. Brandon is a personal friend of mine, and all this speculation about his "shaky character concerns" need to be clarified. Meriweather is about the most polite and high-character guy you will ever meet. The incidents in which he has been scrutinized for this past year found the media placing a ton of undue blame on his shoulders - blame he certainly did not deserve given his virtually pristine record here in Miami.

The shooting incident involved an attempted murder on both he and a few other members of the Hurricane football team. Miami is not all sunshine and happy faces. Brandon lives in a questionable part of town. As a precautionary measure, he carries a licensed concealed firearm when he is in that neighborhood. On the evening in question, a random car pulled up to the curb outside his apartment where he and two or three other teammates were leaving out teh front door. An unidentified individual opened fire from the car at the players. Brandon tells me that he saw teammate and friend Willie Cooper hit by a passing bullet and, in defense of himself and his friends, returned fire in hopes of chasing the attackers away. If you carried a gun and all of a sudden found yourself the target of a drive-by, would you just stand there and do nothing because you thought it would hurt your image if you reacted?

The FIU royal rumble was pretty ugly and, for the most part, inexcusable. However, I have heard several accounts from UM players that are all consistent with one another. Story has it that FIU players attacked - not just ran into, but attacked - our holder on an extra point following a touchdown. The animosity built up after our FB, James Bryant (who is a dolt), used some provocative celebration tactics after said touchdown. Benches cleared, but what REALLY got the blood boiling for our players was the fact that the team chaplain, who was attempting to stop the violence, was also attacked by FIU brawlers. It was this instance in the whole melee that caused the violence to escalate to the level that it reached. Meriweather admitted himself that he completely lost it and should have shown much more restraint, but he had never been so enraged in his life.

These are not excuses for his actions, but rather just some information I thought some of you should know before making negative comments about this kid's character. For me, it's just frustrating to see a friend's reputation be attacked for reacting to situations the same way a lot of other people would.

IMO, Meriweather is an excellent fit for our defense. He's a quick, undersized, versatile DB with good instincts. He's very solid in coverage and is an outstanding open-field tackler. Despite his size, he's excellent in run support. Oh yeah, and he also said he would be thrilled to play in New England. Rodney is one of his role models and he would love to play with Asante (if he hangs around any longer).

http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193891&page=8
 
Please don't be too critical of my picks cuz this is just for fun and I'm also a big Cal fan and alumnus. lol

1. Marshawn Lynch RB (the big surprise pick that BB pulls because we still have Corey Dillon, but he can be the big bruisin back to replace Corey in our running attack)

1a. Daymeion Hughes CB (an interception machine that can pick up where Asante left off if Samuel leaves)

2. Paul Posluszny LB (stock may have dropped, but not potential)

3. Steve Smith WR (probably could have been number 1 receiver for most teams that didn't have Jarrett on it)

4. Prescott Burgess LB (we have a big need at LB and could afford to choose several at this position and use the best. Remember that last year Roach and Mincey were the big names but Woods and Mays stepped up to get roster spots)

5. Zak DeOssie LB (don't know much about him but with his bloodlines, seems like a football player to me. Didn't his dad play for like the Giants?)

6. Desmond Bishop LB (if we take this many LBs then hopefully the best stick and then we are set at this position for years. This seems like a good draft for LBs)

The rest of the picks I would use to either get some veterans from other teams or to stock pile more picks in next year's draft unless BB sees a hidden gem that he really likes.

Taking another RB (who is essentially a Laurence Maroney clone) would be foolish. Other than that I like your picks - though I'd rather a guy like Jonnie Lee Higgins at WR because I think he's a prototypical NE WR with his size and shifty style (ala Deion Branch/Steve Smith).

I really like HB Blades as a LB too - could be a 2nd/3rd round steal... Just plays like a Patriot.
 
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Taking another RB (who is essentially a Laurence Maroney clone) would be foolish. Other than that I like your picks
Agreed, I like the picks except for Lynch.
 
Two Florida State linebackers that I think would look real good in a Pats uniform that haven't been mentioned at all are Lawrence Timmons and Buster Davis.

Timmons is an absolute monster at OLB and would be real fun to watch play on the opposite side of Rosey. He was the team owner of the hit stick and is incredible on special teams. He blocked a couple kicks this year and I one of them he also recovered the kick and returned it for a touchdown. He also had a couple interception returns for touchdowns. He's real fast and strong. He's currently ranked the number 24 overall prospect, so he could be had with one of the Pats two picks.

Buster Davis on the other hand and undersized and fat. However, he is real strong and sheds block real well. His best asset though is his instincts. He's real smart and is in on every tackle. He's going to be underrated and could be a steal in the 2nd or 3rd round.

IMO these guys are every bit as good as Ernie Sims was when he was here and just as fun to watch. We all know how good of a year Sims had for the Lions. Don't let stats fool you. Just because Poslouzny has a lot more tackles doesn't mean he's better. FSU rotates there linebackers and they don't play every down like Poslouzny did. IMO Poslouzny might be a little overrated.


Is someone still bitter about last years Orange Bowl loss?

j/k. Although I like Puz better than Davis, I wouldn't mind either of the players you mentioned above on the Patriots.
 
Dirty Water II from the Kffl Forums posted this explaining Meriweather's behavior...he's a personal friend of Meriweather's....

Did anyone else find that message of reassurance decidedly NON-reassuring?

To summarize: "Yeah, he hangs out in dodgy neighborhoods packing a concealed weapon and has been known to use it, but he never fires first"; "Yeah, he lost all control and acted like a raving maniac during the brawl, but you have to understand they made him mad."

Maybe Meriweather's a great guy, maybe he'd make a great Patriot, but that's a whole lotta smoke, if not fire.
 
Did anyone else find that message of reassurance decidedly NON-reassuring?

To summarize: "Yeah, he hangs out in dodgy neighborhoods packing a concealed weapon and has been known to use it, but he never fires first"; "Yeah, he lost all control and acted like a raving maniac during the brawl, but you have to understand they made him mad."

Maybe Meriweather's a great guy, maybe he'd make a great Patriot, but that's a whole lotta smoke, if not fire.

Michael Griffin seems like a character guy, lol....
 
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