It is coaching / scheme... kind of

[cstjohn17]

Watching the Jets versus Patriots it became clear that Ryan has created a better defense with less talent with one caveat. The Patriots front seven is more talented than the Jets but in the secondary the Jets have an advantage.

The scheme of the Jets defense and the coaching has taken less talent and created a better defense but.. big but the Jets have no obvious weakness on defense, they are solid or good across all three units. The Patriots are above average across the front seven but poor in the secondary, the below average secondary holds down the defenses overall potential.

 

[Avenger]

Every year the Jets spend a first year pick on defense and they spend the big bucks on the FA like of Cromartie.

 

[VrabelJr]

If you think Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Yeremiah Bell, and LaRon Landry are less talented than McCourty, (Whoever our 2nd CB is this week!), (Whoever our starting Safeties are this week!) you're insane.

 

[supafly]

If you think Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Yeremiah Bell, and LaRon Landry are less talented than McCourty, (Whoever our 2nd CB is this week!), (Whoever our starting Safeties are this week!) you're insane.

It's funny that so many including myself took to making fun of K.Wilson when we chose McCourty, as DMcC was the clear winner in the first year.

Now, not so much...

What really irritates me is that we had a chance at both Bell and Landry, but passed on both of them in the off season.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

It's funny that so many including myself took to making fun of K.Wilson when we chose McCourty, as DMcC was the clear winner in the first year.

Now, not so much...

What really irritates me is that we had a chance at both Bell and Landry, but passed on both of them in the off season.

There were some in here who scoffed at the prospect of picking up Cortland Finnegan a few years ago who the team plays Sunday.

Finnegan would have been our Rodney,the guy is a jerk on the field but a nice guy off it.

 

[supafly]

There were some in here who scoffed at the prospect of picking up Cortland Finnegan a few years ago who the team plays Sunday.

Finnegan would have been our Rodney,the guy is a jerk on the field but a nice guy off it.

I will admit to being one of those guys myself.

It wasn't necessarily the player of Finnegan, it was the outrageous salary demand from he/his agent + the rising out of control cost of free agent CB's.

As nice as it'd be to have him, I still wouldn't want to part with a 5 yr/50+ million dollar contract to do it. I'd much rather dip down in price a bit and try to find something around 6-6 1/2 million per, something in the mold of the Leigh Bodden signing.

Unfortunately, that makes it difficult, so there's an argument to be made that giving up 10 million a year for the "sure thing" may be worth it in today's NFL.

 

[DarrylS]

The scheme of the Jets defense and the coaching has taken less talent and created a better defense but..

Our D backfield last week had combined total NFL experience of less than 6 years... Cromartie alone has 9 years of experience..

 

[SeymourTrophies]

If you think Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Yeremiah Bell, and LaRon Landry are less talented than McCourty, (Whoever our 2nd CB is this week!), (Whoever our starting Safeties are this week!) you're insane.

He said that our front seven is more talented, which has yet to include McCourty.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Rex and Tanny are less risk adverse than Bill. How's that worked out for them... Bill is less interested in winning the individual battles than the war. Rex and Tanny are paniced about keeping their jobs.

Lots of teams spend big and draft big. Which of them has won anything recently? This team can be frustrating when it comes up a piece or a play short of the whole enchilada. Who would you trade places with? The Giants, whose HC and QB have been on the hot seat every other season since they first met? Pats fans wouldn't survive a season as Giant fans... Houston, Atlanta, Philly, Dallas, Baltimore, Indy, Pittsburgh??? Not sure they'd survive them, either.

 

[BSR]

It's funny that so many including myself took to making fun of K.Wilson when we chose McCourty, as DMcC was the clear winner in the first year.

Now, not so much...

What really irritates me is that we had a chance at both Bell and Landry, but passed on both of them in the off season.

Really, I think K. Wilson isn't very good. He did a decent job covering Branch but had trouble with a gimpy Hernandez and pretty much gave up that field goal in overtime. If the roles were reversed everyone on here would be skewering him over that penalty.

 

[patsfaninpa]

The first think I look for in the db's is do they have the physical ability to do what is required of them. My eyeballs tell me that; McCourty, Dennard and yes Dowling have the ability to play press coverage. They're not doing it well at the moment. And, they aren't always asked to. There seems to be no cohesion when we're in our bracket coverages where one db has one side and the other one has the opposite. Same as deep help, help isn't getting there in time. In the Baltimore game we played too soft. Didn't re-route the wr's. If we're going to play two safeties deep, I'd be more aggressive in press coverage. I'd rather give up the occasional 5 yard penalty than the 39 passes over 20 yards.


My eyeballs also tell me that our safeties don't have the ability to make the plays required of them. Chung just isn't equipped to play the game the way it is now. We haven't seen a lot of Gregory. But, he got torched against Buffalo. Could have been hurt. Didn't exactly rip it up in SD. So, I'm skeptical. I feel Chung and Gregory are more likely to help on a wr who has been knocked off stride a little, than one where they are expected to expertly time the throw and break it up. We bleep that up time and again. Short term, more aggressive cb play. Long term. Get two new safeties. One in free agency, and one in the draft...ugh

 

[goheels22002]

Every year the Jets spend a first year pick on defense and they spend the big bucks on the FA like of Cromartie.

...and they win the AFC Championship game and go to the Super Bowl!

What? The Jets haven't been to the Super Bowl since 1968? That's 44 years ago. But I thought Rex said that he was going to the Super Bowl. He gets to go but his high-priced free agent defensive backs don't? He gets tickets? From the league? Good for him.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

I will admit to being one of those guys myself.

It wasn't necessarily the player of Finnegan, it was the outrageous salary demand from he/his agent + the rising out of control cost of free agent CB's.

As nice as it'd be to have him, I still wouldn't want to part with a 5 yr/50+ million dollar contract to do it. I'd much rather dip down in price a bit and try to find something around 6-6 1/2 million per, something in the mold of the Leigh Bodden signing.

Unfortunately, that makes it difficult, so there's an argument to be made that giving up 10 million a year for the "sure thing" may be worth it in today's NFL.

This right here is the "problem". I think BB thinks, and many of us agree with him, that high-end DBs in general are overvalued; and finding a guy that's good and under the radar is very difficult. I think the FA pool being shrunk by teams like the Eagles, Jets, Rams, etc. overpaying is just as much to blame for the current strife as bad drafting.