AFC Scout: Pats are a disorganized program

[PatsFan2]

I'm just astounded by the lack of perspective about how to build a coaching staff. Have All of you forgotten just how important continuity is for a staff or system. Why does it seem like everyone seems so "shocked" about the current state of affairs of this 3-7 team when we all pretty much agreed before the season started, that a 3-5 win season was likely. So suddenly all the posters here who seem to have nothing better to do than either complain about everything, or you're a lot smarter than guys who have been doing it for professionally for several years. Did anyone NOT expect this coaching staff to have growing pains? Clearly mistakes have been made both by the coaches AND the players. Some that even has coast us some games. It's not like you can't criticize some of the decisions that have been made. You can do that with EVERY staff let alone ours

But for me, I see a LOT of stuff that is more to the plus side. I see a QB who has been developed a LOT faster than I thought. One who has eliminated a LOT of the issues that we expected and saw in camp. And even more importantly I've seen a lockerroom that has fully bought into the current leadership led by Mayo. As consumers of this product the thing that we can DEMAND from this team is that they play hard each week and provide us with entertaining games that keep us involved for most of the 4 quarter we are watching. And for at least 8 of the 10 games we've played currently, we have gotten that result.

I look at this team and I see the by in. I look at this team and win or lose. you can see the gradual improvement. Christ we were literally a coin flip away from having a 3 game winning streak. I see an improvement on the OL over the last 4 games. That's a group that has FINALLY gotten some 'continuity" itself. That's not to say its a good OL, but it has improved enough to being close to mediocre at least and certainly better than the disaster the Bears put out there last Sunday. Though at least 3 of those sacks were caused by Williams holding the ball WAY too long.

Bottom line - the current leadership has given us a team that plays HARD, despite the weak roster (relatively) and unfortunate injuries that has hamstrung play on both sides of the ball. So rather than point out all the things that went wrong each game, why not take a moment to see the things that are going RIGHT.

The Prodigal poster have returned.

 

[Boston Boxer]

I said my biggest concern was Covington him being Raw to the position.
If you dig it up I said I was concerned about missed assignments, mental errors,
I never dreamed the WRs and O line would be as bad as it has been though.
With a competent offense Maye may throw for 500 yds a game.

Kliff Kingsbury or Ben Johnson or Josh Mcdaniels or Joe Brady, followed by Kellen Moore and Brian Flores.
Nobody else should get a interview Mayo needs to go.
Anyway we could pr

Ideally, I would be up for:
HC: Vrabel or Ben Johnson
OC: McDaniels or Kellen Moore
DC: Brian Flores

 

[n1997y]

I'm just astounded by the lack of perspective about how to build a coaching staff. Have All of you forgotten just how important continuity is for a staff or system. Why does it seem like everyone seems so "shocked" about the current state of affairs of this 3-7 team when we all pretty much agreed before the season started, that a 3-5 win season was likely. So suddenly all the posters here who seem to have nothing better to do than either complain about everything, or you're a lot smarter than guys who have been doing it for professionally for several years. Did anyone NOT expect this coaching staff to have growing pains? Clearly mistakes have been made both by the coaches AND the players. Some that even has coast us some games. It's not like you can't criticize some of the decisions that have been made. You can do that with EVERY staff let alone ours

But for me, I see a LOT of stuff that is more to the plus side. I see a QB who has been developed a LOT faster than I thought. One who has eliminated a LOT of the issues that we expected and saw in camp. And even more importantly I've seen a lockerroom that has fully bought into the current leadership led by Mayo. As consumers of this product the thing that we can DEMAND from this team is that they play hard each week and provide us with entertaining games that keep us involved for most of the 4 quarter we are watching. And for at least 8 of the 10 games we've played currently, we have gotten that result.

I look at this team and I see the by in. I look at this team and win or lose. you can see the gradual improvement. Christ we were literally a coin flip away from having a 3 game winning streak. I see an improvement on the OL over the last 4 games. That's a group that has FINALLY gotten some 'continuity" itself. That's not to say its a good OL, but it has improved enough to being close to mediocre at least and certainly better than the disaster the Bears put out there last Sunday. Though at least 3 of those sacks were caused by Williams holding the ball WAY too long.

Bottom line - the current leadership has given us a team that plays HARD, despite the weak roster (relatively) and unfortunate injuries that has hamstrung play on both sides of the ball. So rather than point out all the things that went wrong each game, why not take a moment to see the things that are going RIGHT.

Well said.

But I WANT TO BE COMPETING FOR THE LOMBARDI TODAY!!! Waa boo hoo it hurts mommy!
/s

But seriously…

One thing I look for is error repeaters. Do mistakes get fixed or repeated? Our offensive play selection is not improving, to my eyes. A week ago we let a .250 team take us to overtime and beat us. This week we played a team that’s a terrible shambles and scored one TD, kicked four FGs, and punted five times. That’s unsatisfactory, and not showing any improvement over previous games this season. Something needs to change, and I don’t think it’s the personnel on the field. I don’t think the players are as bad as they’re playing, and that puts it on the coaches.

I see a head coach who seems to be trying to be an executive manager and the face of the franchise not a hands on coach, at least not a hands on coach on the sidelines during games. I don’t see what I’d call effective in game adjustments either. Maybe that’s a matter of style, especially contrasted with our previous HC on the sidelines. Maybe this style is playing the long game, fixing things between games instead of making in game adjustments. But as said I don’t see the offense doing much about fixing things between games either, except changing the QB. Maye is making progress. Thats about all I see.

What worries me about Mayo’s style apparently being executive head coach not so much hands on with the players as depending on his staff to do that coaching, is that he’s totally dependent on the quality of his staff. It ties him to a learning curve while they all develop, which so far is taking longer than we’d like. Any turnover in his staff will reset back to zero, too. So it’s looking like a long slow process.

I don’t think it has to be such a long slow process. Washington is a fair comparison. They are far ahead in their rebuild, and I expect they’ll continue to pull farther ahead for the next couple of years. At this point I’m just hoping we can continue to stay ahead of the Jetes.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

FIFY

Suit yourself, I am trying to let the season run its course to see how things work out.

 

[n1997y]

Suit yourself, I am trying to let the season run its course to see how things work out.

Vodka?

Moonshine!

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Bottom line - the current leadership has given us a team that plays HARD, despite the weak roster (relatively) and unfortunate injuries that has hamstrung play on both sides of the ball. So rather than point out all the things that went wrong each game, why not take a moment to see the things that are going RIGHT.

Absolutely agree with everything you said Ken. Me being my usual cynical, nihilistic, negative usual self actually sees something to be happy for with this team. Sure it would be nice to be 10-0 etc. Things take time, and with all the moving parts these teams have, I can see why things take time. I think with how we have become with instant gratification, lots of people expect instant results, myself included. After realizing what a gigantic task this was though I came to realize how things would need to go down. With how huge these organizations are, I cannot fathom how they get things done communication-wise, etc. If Mayo is around next year and we get off to a slow start, I'm sure the media/people will be calling for his head, myself included. It's just how we are. Nothing wrong with wanting your team to do better. Especially since we are used to it. I wonder what the ratio of people who are now not fans vs the new ones we have brought on is. Fairweather vs homers (like myself). =)

 

[vicspats]

This is the best post in this thread.

The problem is that that kind of **** works pretty well and this thread is a great example.

You'd never know that the team came off a pretty dominant performance.

If you were here for all the Belichick years and earlier you’ve been blessed. Anywhere along the road to have become a Pats fan was cool as hell. We are going to sit in purgatory for few years just to get back to .500… let’s enjoy it. This team has made steps. Not a huge fan of Mayo.. hopefully he changes my view. Wasn’t sold on Maye being the guy .. I mean who could be “the guy”after we had the greatest evah?? Not a fan of Polk. This offensive line has played offensively!! But each week .. tough it out boys !! I want them to win every weekend .. drafts are for high school kids to talk about. No offense to anyone in high school lol.. Let’s go !!!!

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm just astounded by the lack of perspective about how to build a coaching staff. Have All of you forgotten just how important continuity is for a staff or system. Why does it seem like everyone seems so "shocked" about the current state of affairs of this 3-7 team when we all pretty much agreed before the season started, that a 3-5 win season was likely. So suddenly all the posters here who seem to have nothing better to do than either complain about everything, or you're a lot smarter than guys who have been doing it for professionally for several years. Did anyone NOT expect this coaching staff to have growing pains? Clearly mistakes have been made both by the coaches AND the players. Some that even has coast us some games. It's not like you can't criticize some of the decisions that have been made. You can do that with EVERY staff let alone ours

But for me, I see a LOT of stuff that is more to the plus side. I see a QB who has been developed a LOT faster than I thought. One who has eliminated a LOT of the issues that we expected and saw in camp. And even more importantly I've seen a lockerroom that has fully bought into the current leadership led by Mayo. As consumers of this product the thing that we can DEMAND from this team is that they play hard each week and provide us with entertaining games that keep us involved for most of the 4 quarter we are watching. And for at least 8 of the 10 games we've played currently, we have gotten that result.

I look at this team and I see the by in. I look at this team and win or lose. you can see the gradual improvement. Christ we were literally a coin flip away from having a 3 game winning streak. I see an improvement on the OL over the last 4 games. That's a group that has FINALLY gotten some 'continuity" itself. That's not to say its a good OL, but it has improved enough to being close to mediocre at least and certainly better than the disaster the Bears put out there last Sunday. Though at least 3 of those sacks were caused by Williams holding the ball WAY too long.

Bottom line - the current leadership has given us a team that plays HARD, despite the weak roster (relatively) and unfortunate injuries that has hamstrung play on both sides of the ball. So rather than point out all the things that went wrong each game, why not take a moment to see the things that are going RIGHT.

OMG, it’s Ken. I was just thinking of you yesterday. Hope all is well, good to see you posting.

 

[Kdo5]

I'm just astounded by the lack of perspective about how to build a coaching staff. Have All of you forgotten just how important continuity is for a staff or system. Why does it seem like everyone seems so "shocked" about the current state of affairs of this 3-7 team when we all pretty much agreed before the season started, that a 3-5 win season was likely. So suddenly all the posters here who seem to have nothing better to do than either complain about everything, or you're a lot smarter than guys who have been doing it for professionally for several years. Did anyone NOT expect this coaching staff to have growing pains? Clearly mistakes have been made both by the coaches AND the players. Some that even has coast us some games. It's not like you can't criticize some of the decisions that have been made. You can do that with EVERY staff let alone ours

But for me, I see a LOT of stuff that is more to the plus side. I see a QB who has been developed a LOT faster than I thought. One who has eliminated a LOT of the issues that we expected and saw in camp. And even more importantly I've seen a lockerroom that has fully bought into the current leadership led by Mayo. As consumers of this product the thing that we can DEMAND from this team is that they play hard each week and provide us with entertaining games that keep us involved for most of the 4 quarter we are watching. And for at least 8 of the 10 games we've played currently, we have gotten that result.

I look at this team and I see the by in. I look at this team and win or lose. you can see the gradual improvement. Christ we were literally a coin flip away from having a 3 game winning streak. I see an improvement on the OL over the last 4 games. That's a group that has FINALLY gotten some 'continuity" itself. That's not to say its a good OL, but it has improved enough to being close to mediocre at least and certainly better than the disaster the Bears put out there last Sunday. Though at least 3 of those sacks were caused by Williams holding the ball WAY too long.

Bottom line - the current leadership has given us a team that plays HARD, despite the weak roster (relatively) and unfortunate injuries that has hamstrung play on both sides of the ball. So rather than point out all the things that went wrong each game, why not take a moment to see the things that are going RIGHT.

Great post. I’m not on the “Fire Mayo” train, and not until I see the final results.

He is 3-7. That’s about what was expected record wise going in to the season. I understand that coaching has contributed to these losses but judgement is incomplete without context.

Mayo isn’t just coaching football. He is attempting to build the operation from the ground up with the worst roster in football and plenty of injuries to boot.

He deserves to the end of the season in order for us to see how it looks. One thing I’ll say is that the team is still competing. It has not given up in such a way as the Bears. Not once.

 

[captain stone]

I agree that MayoNays will - not necessarily should - be given another year to figger-out the whole head coachin' thingy.

But can we at least ****-can Ron Wolf's & Al Groh's children, like, yesterday?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Ideally, I would be up for:
HC: Vrabel or Ben Johnson
OC: McDaniels or Kellen Moore
DC: Brian Flores

If Mayo is canned, I don't think he's going to go with anyone with Bill ties just like he did in 1997 going away from anyone tied to Parcells. Also, he's not going to want to hire another player who was also a LB. Cross Vrabel off the list.

McDaniels isn't happening. The guy is bad news.

The only way Kellen Moore or Flores can leave their teams is if their contract expires or fired.

 

[goheels22002]

Perhaps not !
Most scientists define wetness as a liquid's ability to maintain contact with a solid surface, meaning that water itself is not wet, but can make other sensation. But if you define wet as 'made of liquid or moisture', as some do, then water and all other liquids can be considered wet.

Technically, wetness is the ability to maintain contact with any surface. You can make water "wet" by adding a liquid that stays on the surface of water, like petroleum, or molten lava until it cools to form obsidian.

Wait! That's it! The Patriots are like lava - a hot mess that is slowly cooling to form a solid rock upon which a new dynasty can be built. I like that.

 

[Kdo5]

I agree that MayoNays will - not necessarily should - be given another year to figger-out the whole head coachin' thingy.

But can we at least ****-can Ron Wolf's & Al Groh's children, like, yesterday?

Makes more sense to me. I’ve said multiple times that Wolfe is at fault for no improvements too the roster and the draft which is the #1 reason why we are where we are.