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Let's be serious here, this defense is not "great" by any stretch of the imagination and saying otherwise is simply nonsense. This defense has a chance to be "good" at best but with our offense, a "good" defense is all we really need. Hell, we made it to the Super Bowl last year with...yea....and so let's be happy that our D is improved but take it with a grain of salt because I don't think our defense is even top 10 at this point.

How "great" our defense is will depend on the youngsters... Chandler Jones, Hightower, and Ras-I Dowling


Look at how a rookie (Aldon Smith) and an unproven sophomore (Navarro Bowman) helped turn the 49ers defense into one of the elite last year.

This year we've got a rookie who has Aldon Smith type of potential, another rookie in Hightower who could have a huge impact, AND a sophomore who is basically in his rookie season in Ras-I Dowling.
 
How "great" our defense is will depend on the youngsters... Chandler Jones, Hightower, and Ras-I Dowling


Look at how a rookie (Aldon Smith) and an unproven sophomore (Navarro Bowman) helped turn the 49ers defense into one of the elite last year.

This year we've got a rookie who has Aldon Smith type of potential, another rookie in Hightower who could have a huge impact, AND a sophomore who is basically in his rookie season in Ras-I Dowling.

It is a slight to Jones to say he has the potential of a guy who only played in sub packages.
 
It is a slight to Jones to say he has the potential of a guy who only played in sub packages.

yeah... and was 1 sack away from breaking the Rookie sack record.
 
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How is your confidence with the secondary though?....good post on the DL and LB, they were spectacular on Sunday and caught EVERY ONE's attention....

A few Random observations occurred to me as I was previewing my Previews...

1 ~ I have never felt better, in the Bill Belichick Era, about our Depth of Talent at Defensive Tackle.

2 ~ Vince Wilfork is the very best, most dominant Nose Tackle in the Game.

3 ~ I believe that the rapidly improving Kyle Love will become a far more disruptive force, with glorious results.

4 ~ The Depth of Talent of our Dragoons ~ DE/OLB Convertibles ~ is utterly astonishing.

5 ~ The Depth of Talent of our entire Front 7 ~ because our Dragoons can move to the Flanks, and because both our Sam and our Will can play the Mike ~ is astonishing.

6 ~ Being able to boast the aggregate Pass Rushing Ferocity and Run Defending Tenacity of Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Trevor Scott, Jake Bequette, and Justin Francis on one roster is absolutely mind-boggling. Wasn't it just 3 weeks ago that it was Derrick Burgess, Tully Banta Cain, and a bucket of spit???

7 ~ As awesome as Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi, and Mike Vrabel were, this group ~ Donta HighTower, Brandon Spikes, and Jerod Mayo ~ is fully capable of attaining their level in the next couple of years.

8 ~ If "Young & Talented, yet Experienced" is the best of all worlds ~ and it is ~ then this Defense will rapidly become the envy of the entire League ~ indeed, of the entire Belichickian Dynasty, when all is said and done, I believe. This Defense is deeper than it's ever been.

The "ReBoot", at long last...is complete.

Let the Chicken Littles quote statistics from 2011.

I'm here to say: This Defense ~ the 2012 Defense, and beyond ~ will prove to be of such explosive, disruptive, marauding Excellence...that it will be capable of carrying this team, if needs be, to a Championship.
 
yeah... and was 1 sack away from breaking the Rookie sack record.

If you think a full time player feels being compared to a guy who only plays in sub packages is a complement because the guy go some sacks, more power to you. You should however focus more on football being played than the stat book.
 
How "great" our defense is will depend on the youngsters... Chandler Jones, Hightower, and Ras-I Dowling


Look at how a rookie (Aldon Smith) and an unproven sophomore (Navarro Bowman) helped turn the 49ers defense into one of the elite last year.

This year we've got a rookie who has Aldon Smith type of potential, another rookie in Hightower who could have a huge impact, AND a sophomore who is basically in his rookie season in Ras-I Dowling.

Patrick Willis did have some impact...
 
Look at how a rookie (Aldon Smith) and an unproven sophomore (Navarro Bowman) helped turn the 49ers defense into one of the elite last year.

This year we've got a rookie who has Aldon Smith type of potential, another rookie in Hightower who could have a huge impact, AND a sophomore who is basically in his rookie season in Ras-I Dowling.
If I'm not mistaken, the 49ers signed cornerback Carlos Rogers in unrestricted free agency last season.
 
If I'm not mistaken, the 49ers signed cornerback Carlos Rogers in unrestricted free agency last season.

lets not forget the other guy with the last name Smith he might of had a impact to.
 
It is a slight to Jones to say he has the potential of a guy who only played in sub packages.

I think after 1 nfl game Chandler Jones would be ok with being compared with Aldon Smith.

Slighted... that is funny...
 
Let's face it, Flacco outplayed Brady in the 2012 AFCC game and the Ravens should have gone to the Super Bowl if it weren't for the cluelessness of Harbaugh (which one is which?), the missed FG and the stripped TD by Sterling Moore.

Don't mean to go off-topic, because I agree that we should temper our enthusiasm until the Murderers game, but I blame our near-loss in the AFCC more on the sometimes-bizzaro play-calling of BO'B in GTG situations, the brain-dead INT meant for Slater (?!?), and the non-FaceMask flag that should've been thrown at the Bal'more WR when he literally pulled McCourty 5 yards on his way to the EZ. Simply put, the game should not have been that close.
 
Sister Patricia found this intriguing Article by Greg Bedard of The Pravda:

2 Gapping in the 43

This ties right in with our "offseason" discussions regarding "Bill Belichick & The Hybrid Defense", and even takes it to another level ~ classic Belichickian "34" 2 Gapping concepts applied across the entire "43" D Line!!

This could be driving Defenses into a new and fascinating realm...

Here's a very readable essay on 2 Gapping "43" Defense.

The Author states that only two teams ~ the Jaguars + Vikings ~ employ it, and that most teams ~ this was my impression, too ~ who employ the "43" go with an attacking, 1 Gap Scheme.

I wanted to post this in Sister Patricia's Thread, but it seems to've degenerated into:

1 ~ How much Bedard Sucks and
2 ~ Whose fault it was that Brady + Lloyd didn't connect on that first pass...

Who would've thought we'd beaten a good team on the road by 21 Points???
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It was a truly intriguing Thread Idea.

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I'd love to discuss this intriguing, unusual Fusion of the "43" & "2 Gapping" ~ not unprecedented, but unusual.

I'm steadfast in my expectation of the "245" being the Defense of the Future...But it seems to me that a 2 Gapping "43" might have vast possibilities in the immediate future ~ a means, if a Defense can pull it off, to free up the "Back 7" to make Plays on a consistent basis. Opinions??
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I think this is a fascinating subject, Grid. What a great article by Bedard.

I had no idea the Pats were running their 4-3 with 2 gap principles. It almost seems counter intuitive not be be attacking from the 4-3. I'm also surprised that there are 2 other teams who use this tactic. I would have bet that the Pats were the only ones.

The most impressive thing to me to come out of the game was how well the undersized DE's (Cunningham, Ninko,, and Jones) held up against the run. They seemed to have no trouble setting the edge, and the fact we find out that were doing it using 2 gap techniques makes it even more impressive.

You'd think that smaller DE's would be at a severe disadvantage in that situation.

I'm also really glad that Bedard pointed out why Ninkovich seemed to be less of a factor than the hanging judges wanted. That his first responsibility to to keep Locker in the the pocket, so his rush had to be under control. He couldn't just fly by the QB.

This defense has no ceiling. It really could have a Houston-like worst to first kind of rise if it remains healthy.

I think the secondary still needs time to mesh together, but when it does, it will allow BB to start to use some zone and overload blitz packages that will truly make this defense a terror to plan for.

Some terrific points, here, Brother Ken.

1 ~ I didn't know that we were two-gapping, either!!
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In my defense, I always watch Opening Day at my Bro's house, and such occasions are given to consuming Mass Quantities of Fizzy Lifting Drinks and rejoicing...and perhaps less so to a scrupulous focus on who's lining up where!! :p I'll roll the tape either today or tomorrow ~ my days off!!

2 ~ If you check out the Site I linked to, you'll see something interesting: Even though all 4 Linemen have 2 Gap Responsibilities, only the D Tackles are lined up directly opposite their men ~ the 2 Technique, opposite the O Guards.

3 ~ The Ends are aligned off the outside shoulder of the O Tackles ~ the 5 Technique.

4 ~ Is that how we played it Sunday? I have a vague recollection that that's a Yes, but I'll have to check...

5 ~ If so, then that means that both Ends and both Tackles have overlapping responsibilities ~ 1.5 Gapping, if you will ~ as they all share Responsibility for one of the "B" Gaps ~ the one between the O Guard and O Tackle.

6 ~ I especially liked your point about Rob Ninkovich: Despite my high opinions of Chandler Jones, Jermaine Cunningham, Trevor Scott, Jake Bequette, and Julian Francis ~ the lot'f'm!! ~ I have lofty expectations for Rob Ninkovich, who I would want on the field above all of them, if it came down to trying to thwart a last minute Drive in the Super Bowl. I don't expect great statistics from the guy, any more than I would from Vince Wilfork: I just think that this is a guy who quietly, viciously, and relentlessly does his job so damned well that he is more essential to the success of all 11 men than any of our Dragoons!!

7 ~ Couldn't agree more on your last point: The Potential for this Defense, come January, is awesome.
 
A few Random observations occurred to me as I was previewing my Previews...

1 ~ I have never felt better, in the Bill Belichick Era, about our Depth of Talent at Defensive Tackle.

2 ~ Vince Wilfork is the very best, most dominant Nose Tackle in the Game.

3 ~ I believe that the rapidly improving Kyle Love will become a far more disruptive force, with glorious results.

4 ~ The Depth of Talent of our Dragoons ~ DE/OLB Convertibles ~ is utterly astonishing.

5 ~ The Depth of Talent of our entire Front 7 ~ because our Dragoons can move to the Flanks, and because both our Sam and our Will can play the Mike ~ is astonishing.

6 ~ Being able to boast the aggregate Pass Rushing Ferocity and Run Defending Tenacity of Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Trevor Scott, Jake Bequette, and Justin Francis on one roster is absolutely mind-boggling. Wasn't it just 3 weeks ago that it was Derrick Burgess, Tully Banta Cain, and a bucket of spit???

7 ~ As awesome as Willie McGinest, Teddy Bruschi, and Mike Vrabel were, this group ~ Donta HighTower, Brandon Spikes, and Jerod Mayo ~ is fully capable of attaining their level in the next couple of years.

8 ~ If "Young & Talented, yet Experienced" is the best of all worlds ~ and it is ~ then this Defense will rapidly become the envy of the entire League ~ indeed, of the entire Belichickian Dynasty, when all is said and done, I believe. This Defense is deeper than it's ever been.

The "ReBoot", at long last...is complete.

Let the Chicken Littles quote statistics from 2011.

I'm here to say: This Defense ~ the 2012 Defense, and beyond ~ will prove to be of such explosive, disruptive, marauding Excellence...that it will be capable of carrying this team, if needs be, to a Championship.

How is your confidence with the secondary though?....good post on the DL and LB, they were spectacular on Sunday and caught EVERY ONE's attention....

Thanks, Brother Jones. :cool:

I am actually very optimistic about our Secondary:

1 ~ Devin McCourty, I've got Locked & Loaded for an enormous Resurgence, on the same scale as Jermaine Cunningham, Esquire. McCourty's got all the tools ~ Processing Speed, Field Vision, and, above all, Verticity ~ the ability to Flip Hips and Turn & Burn. He's a Tape Rat, a Scrapper, a Scraper, and his Confidence is Rock Solid. All he suffered, last year, when you boil it down, was an acute case of Sophomore Jinx, exacerbated by a truncated Off Season and a Schematic Change...He'll be Rocking & Rolling, this year, one of the very best CornerBacks in all the Land, I say, and millions will wonder in amazement how they ever doubted'm.

2 ~ Kyle Arrington, the former UFA, is, arguably, every bit as talented as Devin McCourty, and combines explosive Burst and outstanding Verticity with a voracious Passion for the Game. He is just getting started in carving out a reputation as one of the most reliable CornerBacks in all the Land.

3 ~ Ras I Dowling is the Wild Card in this group. I don't know if I see the Verticity to Turn & Burn with Grade A Wide Outs at this level, but evidently Coach Bill The Mad (Genius) did, as he started'm on Opening Day, one year ago...If Mad Bill is right on this guy and if he can stay healthy, we could go from a good Secondary to a great one.

4 ~ Alfonzo Dennard was incredibly raw and undisciplined in his College career...and in his College life. But the raw Verticity is there to keep up even with elite Wide Outs...and he is fearless. If Mad Bill and Alfonzo, himself, can harness his extraordinary Skill Set...we could have a phenomenal Weapon on our hands, here.

~ Our Corners are extraordinarily physical and nasty in Run Support.

~ And our Safety Corp ~ one short year later ~ commands stunning Depth of Talent.

~ If our Front 7 evolves as I expect it to, this year, a decent Secondary will be enough for Excellence.

...And I expect our Secondary to be an Hell of a lot better than decent. :cool:
 
i'm thrilled about our D this year especially because of the high draft picks we had... jones wilson AND hightower have the good size, skill and maturity. i thought jones and hightower looked good on sunday and figure to be valuable players for years. Wilson is contributing as a backup but all received lots of repetitions in training camp.
 
Don't mean to go off-topic, because I agree that we should temper our enthusiasm until the Murderers game, but I blame our near-loss in the AFCC more on the sometimes-bizzaro play-calling of BO'B in GTG situations, the brain-dead INT meant for Slater (?!?), and the non-FaceMask flag that should've been thrown at the Bal'more WR when he literally pulled McCourty 5 yards on his way to the EZ. Simply put, the game should not have been that close.

I don't disagree with you at all.

The Ravens AFCC game last January re-emphasized just how vulnerable the Patriots were (are?) to an offense with play makers in the backfield and at the receiver positions. The Pats were clamping down defensively heading into the playoffs, but Baltimore hung 432 total yards on them, 126 on the ground 306 through the air.

Worse, they had sustained drives, particularly the two in the fourth quarter. Time of Possession (which is usually a bogus stat) mattered in that game because the defense just could not get off the field at the end leading to the botched TD to win and the botched FG to tie.

Baltimore ran the ball 31 times in the AFCC - 21 by Rice and 6 by Ricky Williams (4 by others). That number of running plays keeps Brady off the field and reduces the number of possessions. The defense has to get the ball back more than it did in that game.

In 10 days we find out if this re-tooled defense can get some stops and turnovers. Enthusiasm about the defense in 2012-13 is fine, but Tennessee and Arizona are not a valid yardstick. Baltimore will be.
 
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I can't claim to know a good safety or cornerback when I see it, but the eyeball test is more pleasing than I can remember in the past. Our secondary wasn't even competitive in most games last season. Part of that is safeties who are conscious working with a full offseason.

While I may not go as far as Phil Simms went, this front seven is something.
 
...And as crazy ~ as irresponsibly ludicrous ~ as it will sound to the more conservative element, hereabouts:

I still maintain that Nate Ebner will prove to be the best of'm all.
 
I can't claim to know a good safety or cornerback when I see it, but the eyeball test is more pleasing than I can remember in the past. Our secondary wasn't even competitive in most games last season. Part of that is safeties who are conscious working with a full offseason.

While I may not go as far as Phil Simms went, this front seven is something.

True Story!! :rocker:

It's not for me ~ or any'f us ~ to tell others to get excited, if it's not in their natures...

But I know what I see...

And this Defense ~ both in the Talent, Focus, and Fury of its Starters and in the utterly shocking Depth of Talent we've forged, virtually overnight, it seems ~ has a very real chance of erupting!! Now!!
 
In the immortal words of our retired 54 on our defense
Tedy Bruschi said:
These guys are flying around. It looks like that's a mantra for them -- fly around. They have the speed and ability to do it. Dare I say this defense is just as entertaining to watch as the offense?
Dare Tedy, dare.
 
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