Wes Welker Speculation thread (pure opinion)

[QB12]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Something about Irsay's tweet about the "WaiverWire" yesterday evening, and how the two W's were capitalized, have me concerned it may be Wes Welker.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Given Irsay's comments of late and most of the speculation centered around Mike Wallace being traded to the Colts, could it wind up being Welker traded to the Colts for a 1st?

Just speculating but I think that Edelman could fill Welker's role.

thanks

Check the "Welker Speculation thread" a few threads lower. Just a suggestion before you make a new thread quickly browse through the other threads to see if the topic is already being discussed, will save the moderators the time.

 

[Franchise12]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Edleman couldn't be half the reciever Welker is. Hes a bit of a lousy reciever. Ever since Ray Lewis crushed him in the 09 playoff game, hes never been the same when playing the middle of the field. The comparisons between Welker and Edleman come to a screeching halt when we begin to talk about on field ability.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Edleman couldn't be half the reciever Welker is. Hes a bit of a lousy reciever. Ever since Ray Lewis crushed him in the 09 playoff game, hes never been the same when playing the middle of the field. The comparisons between Welker and Edleman come to a screeching halt when we begin to talk about on field ability.

Great. . . . Let's duplicate that argument while we're at it, too. . . .

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

we all said the same thing about Richard Seymour a few years ago...that he was a pro bowler, never going to get traded, blah blah blah.

i honestly think it could happen. if there is anything we know about BB, he thinks into the future. If Welker is going to be gone next year, why not trade him for a first rounder now? I personally don't like this line of thinking because i think the pats could be unstoppable on offense with welker. if the colts were to throw in freeney, then i'd do it in a heart beat.

 

[fnordcircle]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Given Irsay's comments of late

Your first mistake is paying attention to what Irsay says.

 

[Gwedd]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Your first mistake is paying attention to what Irsay says.

This. Absolutely correct.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

we all said the same thing about Richard Seymour a few years ago...that he was a pro bowler, never going to get traded, blah blah blah.

i honestly think it could happen. if there is anything we know about BB, he thinks into the future. If Welker is going to be gone next year, why not trade him for a first rounder now? I personally don't like this line of thinking because i think the pats could be unstoppable on offense with welker. if the colts were to throw in freeney, then i'd do it in a heart beat.

Although I believe anything can happen short of trading Brady or probably Gronk or the high round rookies, I don't know if the Seymour situation is the same as Welker. The difference is with the Seymour situation is that the Pats knew they couldn't resign him and Wilfork and went with Wilfork. I think they still think that they can get a deal done with Welker next year since he wants to be a Patriot.

Another thing that is different was that Al Davis was known to make stupid big splashes for big names. The general perception was that Davis gave up way too much for Seymour.

Now Irsay is an idiot, but I don't know if he is calling the shots. How much is Colts' GM, Ryan Grigson, willing to give up for a 31 year old WR and give him a big deal? I can't see the Pats parting with Welker for less than a first rounder and I don't know if Grigson would give up that much for a WR who might give him 2-3 good years plus pay him $9 million a year.

 

[voluntarysaftey]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Welker being traded early in the offseason wouldn't have suprised me.

Welker being traded now would suprise me a bit, but not shock me.

Welker going to the Colts would shock me -- There's no reason for the Colts to give up a 1st for Welker. Welker has maybe 2 great years left in him and then may decline quickly in the way many receivers go from great to good to average to bad.

The Colts should be looking for a 3 year plan -- they'll suck this year while their QB is learning, but maybe they'll be a contender 2-3 years from now -- int he way many teams went from bottom to top including the Colts under Manning, or the Pats under Bledsoe.

So it makes no sense for the Colts to damage their long term potential by trading a first -- someone who could contribute greatly 3-10 years from now when it matters for a guy who will only contribute now.

Also its quite possible that 1st round pickwill be in the top 10, further limiting the reasons you'd want to trade for it.

 

[Froob]

I'd rather risk losing Welker for nothing and go all in for a championship. Although we didn't think that at the time the 09 pats weren't winning the super bowl with or without Seymour. Welker could easily be the difference between another long offseason and another parade.

 

[QB12]

Tom looked uncomfortable during the game without Welker, and was stoic, if not peeved, standing by himself late in the game. Maybe he knows what may be going down.

 

[Rob0729]

One more thing with Seymour trade comparisons. When the Pats traded Seymour, he was coming off two down seasons (although this stats in 2008 would say otherwise) and had several nagging injuries. Welker is coming off his best season as a Patriot.

 

[Ring 6]

Tom looked uncomfortable during the game without Welker, and was stoic, if not peeved, standing by himself late in the game. Maybe he knows what may be going down.

Not the body language evidence again

 

[QB12]

Not the ostrich with the head in the sand either again.

 

[Rob0729]

Tom looked uncomfortable during the game without Welker, and was stoic, if not peeved, standing by himself late in the game. Maybe he knows what may be going down.

Or maybe he was upset that he was playing like crap and he was getting hit a lot behind a makeshift o-line.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

Something about Irsay's tweet about the "WaiverWire" yesterday evening, and how the two W's were capitalized, have me concerned it may be Wes Welker.

Interesting thought but perhaps you are giving Irsay more credit than he deserves...he's not that clever.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Ok, Jim Irsay's twitter account is hilarious, but I don't understand his stupid cryptic messages.

"You a BIG man and you wanna get paid BIG bucks, heres your chance."

Edit: Nvm he said you guys before, i still dont get it.

 

[Rob0729]

Ok, Jim Irsay's twitter account is hilarious, but I don't understand his stupid cryptic messages.

"You a BIG man and you wanna get paid BIG bucks, heres your chance."

Edit: Nvm he said you guys before, i still dont get it.

If he is talking about a big man, I think that leaves Wes Welker out of the mix now doesn't it. But then again, that doesn't describe Mike Wallace either.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Could a Pat be traded to the Colts

we all said the same thing about Richard Seymour a few years ago...that he was a pro bowler, never going to get traded, blah blah blah.

i honestly think it could happen. if there is anything we know about BB, he thinks into the future. If Welker is going to be gone next year, why not trade him for a first rounder now? I personally don't like this line of thinking because i think the pats could be unstoppable on offense with welker. if the colts were to throw in freeney, then i'd do it in a heart beat.

The Seymour situation was totally different on multiple levels. They couldn't tag him if they wanted to because they needed the tag as leverage against Wilfork. They were also disappointed in his leadership and had concerns about it becoming increasingly negative and they were disappointed in his performance after they extended themselves in a compromise deal that vaulted him into double digit average salary. There was a reason they were only willing to do it for 3 years on that extension, they had reservations about him as a leader dating back to 2005 when he became the first Patriot in the BB/TB era to hold out to force a contract adjustment. They only extend themselves for team leaders who are ALL IN. Guys who start worrying aloud about THEIR future when they haven't even fulfilled their existing contract get a red flag here.

Getting a first for a potential all pro DE who was making $8M per in his last contract season at age 29 was a stretch, and the offer was a second. It only became a first because the team was willing to wait a year and a half on the compensation in anticipation of changes to the rookie contract situation. No one is trading a first for a 31 year old slot WR who is playing on a $9.5M franchise tag and wants a 3 year deal that guarantees him close to $20M.

Not to mention if you've watched much of this pre season Brady is going to need all the weapons he can muster and in particular those with whom he is most in synch in up tempo situations and as outlets when he's under pressure. Which is why Branch will make the 53 as well. Everything else remains a work in progress, and defenses will be making a concerted effort to take Gronkowski away in the interim unless it doesn't net them the desired outcome. Edleman is a decent backup, a poor man's Welker in spurts, but he's not a viable replacement for Welker's bankable production.

 

[WinstonSmith]

Not the body language evidence again

Brady kept looking back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left...clearly something was amiss. There must be a second team after Welker...