Tebow to Pats rumor

[PatsWickedPissah]

Both Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn have departed from the Denver Broncos. The Denver Broncos have already made their choice.

...and are simply waiting to sign Brian Hoyer

 

[Snake Eyes]

2 weeks before his death, Tom Brady's mentor Tom Martinez said to the media that if he took Tebow under his wing that by the end of 1 month he would have made Tebow a complete Quarterback with all the intangibles it takes to be one.

I really believe he could have and probably might have gone to help Tim had he not had left us so early.

I know that Martinez said he could give him 'correct' mechanics in 2 weeks, assuming Tebow actually did what he was told, but integrating that into his game would take longer. Being able to read defenses is a whole nother matter for Timmy.

 

[Ring 6]

No, we do not take away from the team on this.

The TEAM (there's that word again) responded to his leadership. They responded to the fact he led them to wins. They responded when other QBs could not turn that trick.

They responded!

So let me get this straight.
The Broncos have 5 games scoring 14 points or less. Teams win 10% of the time when its offense scores 14 or less. They scored 14-18 points 4 other times. Teams win 38% of the time scoring that many points.
The total is they should have won 2 of those 9 games based upon points scored and they won 5.
You give credit, not to the defense for holding the other team under 18, or 14, but to Tebow, because he motivated them to play better.
Ridiculous.

You know why that team started at 1-4? Because they were a 1-4 team! They were that bad, and, unless there was divine intervention (!), they were going to get worse.

Why did they finish 1-4?

That 7-1 center that Ironman Just mentioned? There is no way that team should have gone 7-1 at any point in the season, they were that bad. Yet, they did.

They didn't go 7-1 because of offense. See the above. I don't know how hard it is to understand that when you win by not scoring many points but the defense allows even less, you won because of the defense.

We cannot minimize what the defense did for the team;

Yet you keep doing it. Above you credited the play of the defense on Tebow motivating them.

it was immense. Tim Tebow did not make any tackles for them, nor did he sack any opposing QB. But the defense played lights out precisely because they knew with Tebow at the helm, they always had a chance. They might not win, but they always had a chance with him in there.

This is assinine. The defense played better because it knew the offense couldn't score points? The Bronco defense played well solely because it knew it had Tebow? Why didnt the Patriots defense play well because it knew it had Brady? The Packers because of Rodgers? The Saints because of Brees?
You are not discussing why the Bronocs won those games you are rooting for Tebow to be the answer and making things up to get there.

Certainly, I agree that one of a modern QB's jobs is to pass the ball efficiently.

THE MOST IMPORTANT

Remember, there are as many ways to succeed as there are people. But most importantly, a QB's job is to lead the team. The whole team.

Bunch of crap. The QB doesn't lead the defense. Teams dont win because of cheerleaders. QBs help teams win by putting points on the scoreboard. Tebow does not put many points on the scoreboard.

If a QB is just out there to sling the ball, and then focuses on other things when the 60 minutes is over, what does that get you? Jeff George could sling the ball. Would you want him as your QB?

What are you talking about?

Tim Tebow may or may not come to New England. At this point in time, the issue is moot. What does remain, however, is whether or not he is a bona fide NFL QB.

So far he is not.

If that issue is not resolved in Denver, it will be elsewhere, and if that is the case, then I think it wll come back to bite the Denver franchise in the ass, big time.

If Denver doesn't work, the only chance he will have to be a starting QB again will be if Jville abandons football sense to sell tickets.
Please give me a list of all the teams you think would trade for Tebow to be their starter

Too many people somehow think his first real season running a team is going to define how his career unfolds and develops. What if we'd done that with Peyton Manning?

We would have seen the skill that Peyton Manning had. Manning was light years better as a rookie that Tebow in his 3rd year. If Mannings defense allowed 15, 13,13,10,10,7 in 6 games he probably would have won 8 games too, even if they were just as awful in the other 10.

His first season isn't going to define him, his level of talent is.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I don't understand the problem here. The assumption should be that Tebow is being considered because he will not be playing QB if he comes here. As a non-QB, i'd take him in a heartbeat. Too big to tackle, too fast to cover and great locker room influence. Game over!

Obviously very few fans would want a player like that on the team. Apparently that would be awful and we wouldn't want to give up a valuable roster spot.

I certainly don't blame Denver in looking for an upgrade over him at QB. Nor would I consider him a true backup QB. But I do know, if he is on the field at the same time as Brady, defenses will have to take notice and devote at least one defender to shadow him.

I don't see why that's such an awful thing.

The bottom line is I don't see Tebow giving up his quest to be a starter and come to a team that will want him to play fullback.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

...and are simply waiting to sign Brian Hoyer

Back Up QB Hoyer Set to Search For a Starting Job :Ian's New England Patriots Blog

Matter of time...

 

[Ring 6]

I clearly explained that Tebow was 1 part of a 3 part puzzle . Tebow, defense and kicking all of which contributed greatly to a very big turn around .

You on the other hand give no credit to Tebow for anything saying they won in spite of him. I believe my description is more accurate .

How is it TEBOW , defense and kicking?
Isn't it offense, defense and kicking.
Actually since you were 31st in passing shouldn't in be running game, defense and kicking?

 

[Smokeeye123]

I wonder if Denver would do a swap...Their 2nd rounder for Hoyer, and a 7th-6th round pick from us next year for Tebow?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I wonder if Denver would do a swap...Their 2nd rounder for Hoyer, and a 7th-6th round pick from us next year for Tebow?

Assuming BB likes what he's seen of The Hammer, I'm good with that as long as we then very quickly trade Tebow to Jax for a 6th or 7th this year.

 

[zipster9]

Assuming BB likes what he's seen of The Hammer, I'm good with that as long as we then very quickly trade Tebow to Jax for a 6th or 7th this year.

No thanks. Tebow is just a side-show Patriots do not need. Patriots motto is to chug-along quietly winning game after game. They do not need the spotlight on them due to 1 player...

 

[PittPatriot]

can he rush the passer?

No, but he is known to rush his passes.

 

[Beecke]

No thanks. Tebow is just a side-show Patriots do not need. Patriots motto is to chug-along quietly winning game after game. They do not need the spotlight on them due to 1 player...

That´s it in a nutshell to me, too.

I´ve said it before on here, the one thing that I actually really feel sorry for for Denver fans is the whole Tebowmania that has evolved ever since he arrived there.

It must be utter torture for long-term fans to see a sizeable number of bandwagoners show up at your team, and not because they love the Broncos, but because of one player and in the process would defend him to the hilt on every occasion and somehow seriously trying to proclaim him to be their saviour, ignoring even the worst shortcomings of Tebow and totally splitting the fanbase in the process.

I am really happy that we don´t have to deal with Tebowmania and a bunch of people who´d make the whole NE Patriots experience miserable only to again and again put the interest of ONE player above the team.

I don´t mind Tebow, but the whole circus that comes with him is unbearable.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

No thanks. Tebow is just a side-show Patriots do not need. Patriots motto is to chug-along quietly winning game after game. They do not need the spotlight on them due to 1 player...

I guess you just comment away without actually you know reading the post

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

That´s it in a nutshell to me, too.

I´ve said it before on here, the one thing that I actually really feel sorry for for Denver fans is the whole Tebowmania that has evolved ever since he arrived there.

It must be utter torture for long-term fans to see a sizeable number of bandwagoners show up at your team, and not because they love the Broncos, but because of one player and in the process would defend him to the hilt on every occasion and somehow seriously trying to proclaim him to be their saviour, ignoring even the worst shortcomings of Tebow and totally splitting the fanbase in the process.

I am really happy that we don´t have to deal with Tebowmania and a bunch of people who´d make the whole NE Patriots experience miserable only to again and again put the interest of ONE player above the team.

I don´t mind Tebow, but the whole circus that comes with him is unbearable.

Exactly, well put.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

wow so many of these "experts" are stupid so we passed on tebow the year he was draft and now we are going to trade something for him so he can sit on the bench, tebow and be a virgin.

I can pull random rumors out of my ass does that mean i can be an "expert"

oh yeah i almost forgot

can he rush the passer?

Heh heh.

Actually, the Pats didn't pass on Tebow in 2010. Josh traded up from the 43rd to the 25th slot to take him two slots before the Pats, who drafted at 27 that year. None of the teams who drafted between 26 and 43 were reported to be in the market for Tebow and, what's more, no QB was drafted between 26 and 43.

I have always taken the (of course, admittedly completely unsubstantiated and un-provable ) view that Josh thought Tebow was a Belichick kind of player and Belichick was going to take him at 27 if he were still on the Board.

And, no, he can't rush the passer and yes I do think the Pats should sort out Hoyer and Mallett before they add another QB, but it do make for a little bit of intrigue, don't it, now?

 

[PatsFanSince74]

No thanks. Tebow is just a side-show Patriots do not need. Patriots motto is to chug-along quietly winning game after game. They do not need the spotlight on them due to 1 player...

You might be right. However, while I don't have the time or inclination to go back and find them, I do recall several threads to that same effect when we added Randy Moss in 2007.

My point is that the Pats take players based on whether they can contribute in their system and on whether Belichick decides they have a certain character and attitude with which he can work, whatever their reputation elsewhere. They've shown that they are willing to risk a circus "side-show" if they think a player meets Belichick's criteria, as in the cases of Moss (good move), Fat Albert (bad move) and Ocho (so far, not so good a move).

 

[Triumph]

if the price was right i would say go get him. He is not going to play QB, but the kid is a winner. I like having winners on my team. He could be used as TE/H back, emergency QB, Wild Patriot formations etc. He is tough as nails and you could stick him on ST.

There is no down side to getting him if the price is right.

This might sound crazy.

If BJGE isnt coming back, could TT be a RB in the NFL? He seems to run the ball well. Does anyone know how fast he is?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This might sound crazy.

If BJGE isnt coming back, could TT be a RB in the NFL? He seems to run the ball well. Does anyone know how fast he is?

You were on a roll with your 1st sentence

 

[rainmaker]

Heh heh.

Actually, the Pats didn't pass on Tebow in 2010. Josh traded up from the 43rd to the 25th slot to take him two slots before the Pats, who drafted at 27 that year. None of the teams who drafted between 26 and 43 were reported to be in the market for Tebow and, what's more, no QB was drafted between 26 and 43.

I have always taken the (of course, admittedly completely unsubstantiated and un-provable ) view that Josh thought Tebow was a Belichick kind of player and Belichick was going to take him at 27 if he were still on the Board.

And, no, he can't rush the passer and yes I do think the Pats should sort out Hoyer and Mallett before they add another QB, but it do make for a little bit of intrigue, don't it, now?

I would love to be a fly on the wall when McDaniels first asks BB - "uh so, did you have any real interest in drafting Tebow or were you just screwing with me??"

 

[Smokeeye123]

No thanks. Tebow is just a side-show Patriots do not need. Patriots motto is to chug-along quietly winning game after game. They do not need the spotlight on them due to 1 player...

I guess I'm the only one who thinks BB could really use him well...Be it a goalline back, blocking tightend, backup QB, trick plays with Brady and Tebow.

I feel like that would be worth a 7th-6th round pick over some random scrub who plays with the second unit for a few months than gets cut.

 

[Ring 6]

This might sound crazy.

If BJGE isnt coming back, could TT be a RB in the NFL? He seems to run the ball well. Does anyone know how fast he is?

6'3" 245 lb players that have never played RB and run a 4.72 40 have no chance of making it in the NFL at RB.