Monday Morning QB'ing

[shmessy]

......admittedly by me (even though I did complain about it at the time).

Why didn't the Pats stick more than two weeks last year with the Klecko experiment at ILB? He wasn't going to make it on the DL, no way. Even in the PS this year, we were thin at ILB.

What? Marquise Hill was such an important roster spot? BB has now spent 3 full seasons developing the Hill Project, he couldn't spend more than two weeks developing Klecko as an ILB?

As it turns out, this was a huge mistake. Both on ST's and ILB (at least for depth) we should have held onto Klecko and let Hill go or put LeKevin Smith on practice squad.

 

[Oswlek]

......admittedly by me (even though I did complain about it at the time).

Why didn't the Pats stick more than two weeks last year with the Klecko experiment at ILB? He wasn't going to make it on the DL, no way. Even in the PS this year, we were thin at ILB.

What? Marquise Hill was such an important roster spot? BB has now spent 3 full seasons developing the Hill Project, he couldn't spend more than two weeks developing Klecko as an ILB?

As it turns out, this was a huge mistake. Both on ST's and ILB (at least for depth) we should have held onto Klecko and let Hill go or put LeKevin Smith on practice squad.

I agree about Hill. I have never seen that guy look like an NFL player. Even in preseason he looks slow and uncoordinated, but he gets blown off the ball whenever they throw him into live games.

But Klecko I don't think it was a mistake. I distinctly remember Harrison pounding the turf after a play in a 2004 preseason game when Klecko obviously screwed up in converage. I'm sure that he wouldn't have had overflowing frustration like that if it were a single mistake so I have to believe that Klecko just didn't have a good feel for the position.

 

[shmessy]

I agree about Hill. I have never seen that guy look like an NFL player. Even in preseason he looks slow and uncoordinated, but he gets blown off the ball whenever they throw him into live games.

But Klecko I don't think it was a mistake. I distinctly remember Harrison pounding the turf after a play in a 2004 preseason game when Klecko obviously screwed up in converage. I'm sure that he wouldn't have had overflowing frustration like that if it were a single mistake so I have to believe that Klecko just didn't have a good feel for the position.

Yeah, but that was his first or second preseason game at that position. Couldn't they have tutored him for a year or two, instead of the waste of space Hill has been for three years?

All we heard over and over from the coaches is that he was extremely smart and had a great motor. His instincts at that position could have come over 12-24 months. If they stuck with him as an understudy there from PS 2005, he'd very well would be blooming right now.

Instead we have the human cul-de-sac 2nd round bench warmer in Marquise Hill. Three years and he can't even get on the field in his own position. I know he came out of LSU early, but really.

 

[Joker]

uh....Klecko?....THIS is what eats away at you?

obsess much?

 

[Oswlek]

Yeah, but that was his first or second preseason game at that position. Couldn't they have tutored him for a year or two, instead of the waste of space Hill has been for three years?

Again, just because one guy was a mistake does not mean that the other was.

I agree that Hill is bad and their is no evidence that he will ever be any good, but there is also no reason to believe that Klecko would have even done anything either. I think that, if you drop the name Klecko it will make a little more sense.

 

[shmessy]

uh....Klecko?....THIS is what eats away at you?

obsess much?

How you like our ILB situation right about now? How's the depth behind those two who are playing in pain/retirement rumors?

 

[Oswlek]

How you like our ILB situation right about now? How's the depth behind those two who are playing in pain/retirement rumors?

I think both Alexander and Mays are better than Klecko ever would have been.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Klecko, Bethel, Cedric Cobbs ... ou sont les neiges d'antan?

 

[shmessy]

Again, just because one guy was a mistake does not mean that the other was.

I agree that Hill is bad and their is no evidence that he will ever be any good, but there is also no reason to believe that Klecko would have even done anything either. I think that, if you drop the name Klecko it will make a little more sense.

I respect your opinion and enjoy your posts, Oswlek. However, we KNOW Hill is a bust. The fact that we had no evidence yet that Klecko would be a bust doesn't mean we couldn't have cut bait on the known bust and tried out the "potential" bust. Personally, I'd keep the "potential" bust and cut the "known" bust.

 

[Pujo]

How you like our ILB situation right about now? How's the depth behind those two who are playing in pain/retirement rumors?

That has nothing to do with it, if he wasn't any good it doesn't matter what our depth is. Hell, I'll be happy to collect a game check and line up at inside linebacker, doesn't mean it's wise.

I'm sure Belichick could see that it just wasn't going to work. Again, using me as an example, I could practice at ILB for 10 years and I still wouldn't be able to play the position.

 

[shmessy]

Klecko, Bethel, Cedric Cobbs ... ou sont les neiges d'antan?

"Où sont elles, Vierge souvraine?"

"Vierge" my foot!

 

[shmessy]

I think both Alexander and Mays are better than Klecko ever would have been.

I've liked how they've performed on ST's, but would feel better if they show something on regular downs. I wouldn't feel good about seeing #53 playing ILB on regular downs either.

If either Vrabel or Bruschi get tweaked......well that's a very high wire with virtually no net right.

 

[Oswlek]

I've liked how they've performed on ST's, but would feel better if they show something on regular downs. I wouldn't feel good about seeing #53 playing ILB on regular downs either.

Neither would I.

I guess I am just not that high on Klecko.

 

[shmessy]

Neither would I.

I guess I am just not that high on Klecko.

I agree.

However, we've only seen the 2-week experience ILB Klecko.

My thought is what he may have looked like at ILB after the same 2 year apprenticeship process that Hill got (and never grasped).

There's no guarantee he would have improved, but I would've liked to have found out. By this past PS, it was pretty known that Hill was going nowhere. I'm still shocked he made the team and is still taking up a spot.

He must know the Shenoccas..

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

i'll defer to belichick on all personnel matters. if he sees a reason to hold onto hill then i'm all for it. if he didn't think klecko could delevlop at ILB then he couldn't cut it.

 

[DaBruinz]

I respect your opinion and enjoy your posts, Oswlek. However, we KNOW Hill is a bust. The fact that we had no evidence yet that Klecko would be a bust doesn't mean we couldn't have cut bait on the known bust and tried out the "potential" bust. Personally, I'd keep the "potential" bust and cut the "known" bust.

Shmessy -
There is only ONE piece of evidence that I need to know that Klecko would have been a bust. The fact that BB cut him. That's all I need to know. Now, Hill is probably a bust, but BB obviously sees something in him that you don't. And, well, BB is the coach and has a damn good track record.