Thank You For Your Service B.O.B. - Why Don't You Start FT at PSU Now

[Ring 6]

And the Ravens were ready for it...who are they kidding?

Ironically, he ran a post

 

[Ring 6]

I'm "blaming" someone else because the call was terrible. There are two separate issues here:

1.) Play call

2.) Play execution


Both were terrible. The second issue is on Brady. The first issue is on BOB.

So any play where one receiver runs a deep post is a terrible play call?
You do know we run them all day long right?

 

[shmessy]

I agree with everybody who is not blaming Bill O'Brien for yesterday's grinder.

I agree that the bomb was a bad idea at that point in the game, but Brady already said he saw something and he took a shot at the end zone right after Spikes' interception - gutsy. If Slater catches it, B.O.B. is a genius and we'll miss him.

And if they lined up Wilfork wide and sent him for the 50 yard bomb and he caught we'd miss B.O.B. also.

Wilfork has made twice as many catches this year as Slater.

 

[ATippett56]

So any play where one receiver runs a deep post is a terrible play call?

With Matthew Slater at wide receiver - Yes

You do know we run them all day long right?

Did the New England Patriots run Matthew Slater on a deep post all day long?

 

[shmessy]

I think many of us were surprised at not continuing to run, when it was being so successful. On top of it all, while Brady was, for the most part, getting alot of time to throw, he did not have a good game. So, why not run the ball more?

It all doesn't matter, because they won.

No. It DOES matter.

They play again February 5th.

And they have an OC who is employed by The State University of Pennsylvania.

And National Letter of Intent Day for NCAA Division I football is Wednesday February 1st.

What do you think BOB will be doing the next 9 days?

 

[patsinthesnow]

If BJGE is gashing the Giants with the OL plowing through the nickel D I hope he doesn't go away from it again.

 

[shmessy]

I'll be honest, Shmessy. It sounded more like whining than sarcasm.. In fact, I had to do a double check to make sure it said SHMESSY and not Sean Da Patriot..

Damn straight - - it was whining sarcasm.

 

[shmessy]

Dont know why we always blame everyone else but brady. Brady deserves as much blame for this play. He is no longer a 1st yr QB or flacco for that matter who has to call whatever his OC calls.

Who's not blaming Brady?

We've all been saying exactly what he admitted in the postgame. He was less than mediocre. But:

1) We don't have an understudy that is on Brady's level. (Nobody does).

2) He has ONE full-time job


The above two points cannot be said of Bill O'Brien.

 

[shmessy]

New York Giants 19th ranked rush defense.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Less bombs to Slater, more runs by BJGE.

In the SB, given these two teams, the Patriots must turn to the playbooks of teams that have played us over the years.

Ball control. Run it down the opponent's throats. The Giants DL is a pass rush DL - - they can be had by our running game. Take as much time off the clock to limit the number of series Eli Manning gets to face our secondary.

If Vollmer can be ready for the game, we have a DEEP and TREMENDOUS OL. Even without him, our OL can dominate in the run game, but have problems in pass protection against their talented pass rushers.

 

[shmessy]

Have you considered that we ran effectively BECAUSE we were using the run sparingly?

So Brady should have been throwing far less over the past few years because passing the ball has worked so well?

Maybe the run game was so good last night (and BTW also against Denver last week) because this OL is deeper (Cannon, Wendell, GronkBlock, Solder/Vollmer) bigger (particularly at Center) and more talented (Brian Waters for Neal, Solder for Kazcur) than ever before.

Go ahead Andy. Have Brady go back to pass 40-50 times in the SB, with a gimpy Gronkowski, no #3 WR and the hottest pass rush DL on earth the past month bearing down on him.

Now, the Giants DON'T have a great secondary, so we shouldn't become one dimensional. Just don't abandon the run like we did in SB 42.

 

[makoute]

If BJGE is gashing the Giants with the OL plowing through the nickel D I hope he doesn't go away from it again.

that is exactly what they will do, matter of fact they will go empty backfield, as to make sure to not utilize the play action fake which would be so effective in that SITUATION. How do I know, because that is what they do, and what they've been doing for a few football season now.

 

[ATippett56]

In the SB, given these two teams, the Patriots must turn to the playbooks of teams that have played us over the years.

Ball control. Run it down the opponent's throats. The Giants DL is a pass rush DL - - they can be had by our running game. Take as much time off the clock to limit the number of series Eli Manning gets to face our secondary.

If Vollmer can be ready for the game, we have a DEEP and TREMENDOUS OL. Even without him, our OL can dominate in the run game, but have problems in pass protection against their talented pass rushers.

I have advocated a greater emphasis on the New England Patriots rushing attack since the AFC Divisional Playoff loss to the New York Jets last season.

I personally would scrap the empty backfield formation altogether, since it poses no threat of running the football whatsoever.

 

[BigHoss28]

I am a lurker, but I finally decided to register because of this thread...

I don't disagree that O'Brien got away from the run to a fault yesterday. I also don't disagree that it probably shouldn't have been Slater running the route... But the play call after the INT in the 4th quarter was NOT a bad call.

It was, however, predictable. I think the Pats should have saved this play for second down assuming they got at least 4 yards on first down with the run.

Taking a shot like that after a big turnover is a great call. Like I said, the timing was just poor. Also, as others have pointed out, Brady made a mistake trying to force the play.

But please stop trying to say that going for a big play after that type of momentum swing is a bad call, because it isn't. It just wasn't a good call on first down.

If it were me, I'd have run a draw on first down - the Ravens were clearly expecting the Pats to try and capitalize on the turnover, that's why the go wasn't open. If you get fewer than 4-5 yards on first down, you run a quick middle screen on the next play (or something similar, doesn't have to be a traditional middle screen, can be a quick pick play or even a straight up slant, but definitely a three-stepper), the Ravens would have been looking run on second and long and their linebackers would have stepped up and hesitated long enough for this to get yardage. If you are 2nd and less than 5, you run play-action off the draw (or even a flea-flicker) and go deep. If it's not open, you look for an outlet or throw it away, then run another draw on or a screen on third down.

That, to me, is the way to handle that type of situation.

 

[BigHoss28]

I have advocated a greater emphasis on the New England Patriots rushing attack since the AFC Divisional Playoff loss to the New York Jets last season.

I personally would scrap the empty backfield formation altogether, since it poses no threat of running the football whatsoever.

It doesn't, but only because the Pats don't allow it to. But it does allow for jet sweeps, which will work against NFL defenses. It also allows for motion by the slot into shovel passes.

The Patriots have the personnel for this type of stuff, but I have rarely seen them use it in this way. Welker, Edelman and Hernandez are suited for these types of plays, and they work. They would especially work against a team like the Giants who sell out on the pass rush and don't have very good linebackers.

 

[shmessy]

I am a lurker, but I finally decided to register because of this thread...

I don't disagree that O'Brien got away from the run to a fault yesterday. I also don't disagree that it probably shouldn't have been Slater running the route... But the play call after the INT in the 4th quarter was NOT a bad call.

It was, however, predictable. I think the Pats should have saved this play for second down assuming they got at least 4 yards on first down with the run.

Taking a shot like that after a big turnover is a great call. Like I said, the timing was just poor. Also, as others have pointed out, Brady made a mistake trying to force the play.

But please stop trying to say that going for a big play after that type of momentum swing is a bad call, because it isn't. It just wasn't a good call on first down.

If it were me, I'd have run a draw on first down - the Ravens were clearly expecting the Pats to try and capitalize on the turnover, that's why the go wasn't open. If you get fewer than 4-5 yards on first down, you run a quick middle screen on the next play (or something similar, doesn't have to be a traditional middle screen, can be a quick pick play or even a straight up slant, but definitely a three-stepper), the Ravens would have been looking run on second and long and their linebackers would have stepped up and hesitated long enough for this to get yardage. If you are 2nd and less than 5, you run play-action off the draw (or even a flea-flicker) and go deep. If it's not open, you look for an outlet or throw it away, then run another draw on or a screen on third down.

That, to me, is the way to handle that type of situation.

Welcome aboard, BigHoss.

I don't necessarily fault the play. I fault the play using MATTHEW SLATER at THAT particular time in the game, which makes it 1) predictable - he does nothing else when in on offense and 2) a predictable failure - - he had one miracle catch against the Steelers and that was it.

Run it with Tiquan Underwood or OchoCinco (if he were there), but not even under those circumstances. There were 7 minutes to go in the game. The Spikes INT MEANT something and they shiould have capitalized with what was 1) working and 2) guaranteed to take time off the clock.

Instead, they chose to ignore the clock and put all their hopes onto Matthew Slater and an already struggling Tom Brady.

Sorry, that's what the barely employed guy down at the 7-Eleven does each Friday when he sinks all his paycheck into the MegaBucks machine.

 

[shmessy]

So any play where one receiver runs a deep post is a terrible play call?

No.

Any play with......

- MATTHEW SLATER going deep

- with a 3 point lead

- in the AFCCG

- on a day where Brady was having difficulty hitting the side of a barn

- with SEVEN MINUTES TO GO

- against a team we were owning on the ground


......is a terrible play call.

But nice try attempting to spin it out of recognition with "So any play where one receiver runs a deep post is a terrible play call?"

 

[Ring 6]

With Matthew Slater at wide receiver - Yes

See I'd think it was a great play design if it took 2 defenders covering Slater away from the rest of the play, if Brady had only made a good decision.

Did the New England Patriots run Matthew Slater on a deep post all day long?

As far as I could tell that was the only play he was in for, but what does that have to do with anything?

 

[Ring 6]

No.

Any play with......

- MATTHEW SLATER going deep

- with a 3 point lead

- in the AFCCG

- on a day where Brady was having difficulty hitting the side of a barn

- with SEVEN MINUTES TO GO

- against a team we were owning on the ground


......is a terrible play call.

But nice try attempting to spin it out of recognition with "So any play where one receiver runs a deep post is a terrible play call?"

But thats the point. It was a pass play that attacked the defense by running one receiver deep.
The play call didn't force Brady to throw it to a double covered receiver.
Most of the rest of what you typed was BS anyway.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Many play calls have (at least) one receiver running deep on a post or other deep pattern. It's up to Brady to find the open man and not make a bad decision. On that play Brady admitted he was dead set on going deep there. That's on him, one of many plays in a BAD game for Tom Brady. If the Ravens weren't boneheads on penalties Brady might have had 4 interceptions, which is an execution issue on Brady's part.

It's ironic that you are criticizing O'Brien for going empty backfield and asking BOB to leave now, when Josh McDaniels is the king of empty backfield and shotgun formations.

 

[Deus Irae]

Many play calls have (at least) one receiver running deep on a post or other deep pattern. It's up to Brady to find the open man and not make a bad decision. On that play Brady admitted he was dead set on going deep there. That's on him, one of many plays in a BAD game for Tom Brady. If the Ravens weren't boneheads on penalties Brady might have had 4 interceptions, which is an execution issue on Brady's part.

It's ironic that you are criticizing O'Brien for going empty backfield and asking BOB to leave now, when Josh McDaniels is the king of empty backfield and shotgun formations.

Josh McDaniels wasn't calling plays where Brady was throwing deep to Matthew Slater in the AFCCG.