NFL to review McDaniels situation in off season

[Koma]

I believe that the league's review will result in new guidelines on this situation for the 2012 season:

Coaches will still be allowed to be hired by playoff teams, however, all parties involved must wear a lime green vest when making the deal.

Lime green vests make everything okay

 

[strngplyr]

James Walker's article claiming we hired McDaniels AFTER Denver won in the Wild Card round certainly doesn't help.

Patriots' history with rules preceded them - AFC East Blog - ESPN

Someone writing on ESPN's main blog should do a better fact-checking job.

 

[Ring 6]

My opinion: If you make it through to the END OF THE SEASON still under contract, you should not be able to artificially extend your season. Unless you are fired DURING the season, there should be no leapfrogging to another team's season.

Your Shanahan example is completely different from this. He was fired in the middle of the season.

It's simply my opinion, and I feel the league should address this for the future.

The Patriots did absolutely nothing wrong. It's not their responsibility to set the league's rules.

This is just such a non-issue.

 

[Armchair Bronco]

Translation: This is not the same thing AT ALL because in one case the Broncos did it so it's ok but in the other case the Patriots did it so it's not ok.

Also, don't be ridiculous. A player could easily provide inside information against a former team. So if the Broncos were playing the Chargers this week, would you still get on your soapbox and talk about the "appearance of impropriety" with Denver signing an ex-Charger?

How can you compare a long snapper from San Diego to a guy who just a little over a year ago was the Head Coach and Draft-Day Guru of the Broncos and is now coaching against said team? McDaniel's insights into the Broncos are orders of magnitude deeper than anything *any* player from *any* team could possibly hope to have.

In any event, if there is a new rule, it will probably have to extend to players coming from teams that you might be meeting in the playoffs.

 

[memento]

It would not be a bad thing if they put a rule in place against timely coach changes. Think Jon Gruden from the Raiders to the Bucs to win the super bowl.

But there's nothing against it now, and McDaniels was cast off and twiddling his thumbs in the post season anyway. Anyone trying to twist it as a significant competitive advantage against Denver is looking for something to gripe about.

 

[Armchair Bronco]

James Walker's article claiming we hired McDaniels AFTER Denver won in the Wild Card round certainly doesn't help.

Patriots' history with rules preceded them - AFC East Blog - ESPN

Someone writing on ESPN's main blog should do a better fact-checking job.

But IIRC, the *announcement* wasn't made until AFTER Denver beat Pittsburgh.

 

[Wolfpack]

How can you compare a long snapper from San Diego to a guy who just a little over a year ago was the Head Coach and Draft-Day Guru of the Broncos and is now coaching against said team?

Oh I agree it's a silly comparison. A long snapper who was in training camp with the Chargers this year (attending meetings, getting the playbook, etc) would have far more inside info than a coach who was fired prior to this season and replaced by an all new staff, new signals, etc, etc.

So I guess the "appearance of impropriety" you talk about doesn't apply to the Broncos if they happened to be playing the Chargers this week.

In any event, if there is a new rule, it will probably have to extend to players coming from teams that you might be meeting in the playoffs.

There already are rules governing player transactions but UFA's are UFA's and they are all fair game.

 

[Sfpat]

You guys think the rest of the league is paranoid & delusional.

We think some New England fans may have a persecution complex.

Really???? You seem to be making a big deal about it!!!!! Talk about being delusional and paranoid.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

But IIRC, the *announcement* wasn't made until AFTER Denver beat Pittsburgh.

Maybe not to you, but we all knew about it.

Listen, if it makes you feel better if you lose, then feel free to be justified by your point of view. the players still have to play and McD can be as much distraction as he can be help.

 

[PatsFanJess]

But IIRC, the *announcement* wasn't made until AFTER Denver beat Pittsburgh.

That's not accurate. Pittsburgh fans were also *****ing about McDaniels because of the Rams/Pittsburgh game (this is like the wack-a-mole of conspiracy theories). That obviously didn't happen after Denver beat them.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Was Binn under contract to his team at the end of the season?

Try paying attention to the thread.

Assistant coaches contracts expire when the teams season ends. An assistant coach who does not have a 2012 contract and whose team is not in the playoffs is fair game for any team right now. McDaniels was released from his contract with the Rams so he could pursue other options when the HC was fired as he obviously wasn't in the teams plans, this happens every year. And again, this move wouldn't be necessary if other teams and colleges weren't allowed to raid the Patriots staff while they're still playing.

 

[Armchair Bronco]

Oh I agree it's a silly comparison. A long snapper who was in training camp with the Chargers this year (attending meetings, getting the playbook, etc) would have far more inside info than a coach who was fired prior to this season and replaced by an all new staff, new signals, etc, etc.

So I guess the "appearance of impropriety" you talk about doesn't apply to the Broncos if they happened to be playing the Chargers this week.

There already are rules governing player transactions but UFA's are UFA's and they are all fair game.

No, I'm acknowledging that if there were some kind of pending or possible Denver-San Diego matchup in the playoffs, then the kind of move that Denver made today would not be allowed. (Although I'm not sure how we can pick up an UFA from SD if both Denver and SD are in the playoffs...)

But WRT to the player and coach in question, Denver's acquisition of Binn gives us exactly ZERO insight into the Patriots. But New England's acquisition of McDumbDumb is worth more than zero to the Patriots.

 

[Sfpat]

1) Against teams paying/compensating other teams who are out of the playoffs for their coaches who are still under contract.

2) We can't "acquire" Steven Jackson or Darelle Revis either. They weren't cut/fired and their seasons have run their natural courses. If you don't make the playoffs, your season is over.

3) Despite you writing "They're just replacing their outgoing OC for next year with the obvious candidate." - - that's not the whole story, isn't it? McDaniels is working right now.

Once again, the Patriots did nothing wrong at all. If I'm the NFL, however, I want to close this loophole in the future to prevent a Polian or someone of that ilk to send his entire coaching staff (for compensation) over to another team to help beat an adversary and then wink-wink "hire" them back.

If the Rams or Jets were to cut Jackson or Revis, the Pats would be free to sign them (assuming they cleared waivers), and play them.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

That's not accurate. Pittsburgh fans were also *****ing about McDaniels because of the Rams/Pittsburgh game (this is like the wack-a-mole of conspiracy theories). That obviously didn't happen after Denver beat them.

Name one thing Pittsburgh fans don't ***** about.

 

[shmessy]

But IIRC, the *announcement* wasn't made until AFTER Denver beat Pittsburgh.

Who cares about the "announcement".

It was a done deal and everyone and their grandmother had reported it was a done deal 48 hours before the Pitt-Den game.

You're arguing semantics now and that tarnishes your credibility.

 

[shmessy]

You may have missed my question earlier, so I'll ask it again. What compensation did the Rams get from the Patriots?

Nothing.

The Rams gave him early to the Patriots because they love the legacy of Brady so much.

If you believe that, you can buy some oceanfront property in Iowa.

Of course, there is going to be a quid pro quo.

 

[Ring 6]

Nothing.

The Rams gave him early to the Patriots because they love the legacy of Brady so much.

If you believe that, you can buy some oceanfront property in Iowa.

Of course, there is going to be a quid pro quo.

I disagree. The Rams fired their entire staff except McDaniels who would now be gone with Fisher hired.
The Patriots OC left for Penn State, and McDaniels went to the owner and asked to be released from his contract to return to NE. This is not Earth-shattering.
Subterfuge and an illegal hidden compensation under the table, would be an earth-shattering violation of the rules.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

It's always us. When Jerry Jones does it, no one says a word.

If they pass the rule, it should apply across the board though. No interviewing coordinators from teams still alive for potential openings. This season has not officially concluded, you've got teams calling to take time away from coordinators prepping for important play-off games, and that's not a distraction? That's not tampering with a team's chances?

Why should any team get a head start on others? The season is still going. We wouldn't even have needed to get a head start on hiring an OC if our current OC hadn't done job interviews and gotten one already. We've got others trying to snag personnel guys away while teams are working on draft preparations.

I welcome the rule so long as it applies to everyone, and not just another Goodell bull**** move aimed at the Pats-only.

 

[Deus Irae]

Nothing.

The Rams gave him early to the Patriots because they love the legacy of Brady so much.

If you believe that, you can buy some oceanfront property in Iowa.

Of course, there is going to be a quid pro quo.

The likeliest scenario is that McDaniels agreed not to demand his pay for next year, which he would have been entitled to had he been fired. That would not be the Patriots compensating the Rams at all. This was also something that PFT, one of the crap stirrers on this, talked about before McDaniels was let go, because PFT noted the past issues between Fisher and McDaniels and mentioned it as something not necessarily deemed to be a good fit.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/mcdaniels-remains-employed-in-st-louis/

If Jeff Fisher was hired, it’s hard to imagine McDaniels sticking around. And he’s already received interest from a few of his previous bosses.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/06/patriots-and-chiefs-seek-to-speak-to-mcdaniels/

So, other than baseless speculation, what compensation did the Patriots send to the Rams?

 

[Ring 6]

No, I'm acknowledging that if there were some kind of pending or possible Denver-San Diego matchup in the playoffs, then the kind of move that Denver made today would not be allowed. (Although I'm not sure how we can pick up an UFA from SD if both Denver and SD are in the playoffs...)

What are you talking about? A player who is not in the league can't be signed because he was in the team you are going to play's camp? That is dumb.

But WRT to the player and coach in question, Denver's acquisition of Binn gives us exactly ZERO insight into the Patriots. But New England's acquisition of McDumbDumb is worth more than zero to the Patriots.

What does what you gain from a move have to do with whether it is allowed or fair? You make moves to gain something.
The Broncos had every right to go out last week and sign Algae Crumpler. He would have had 10x more insight into the Patriots offense than McD has into Denvers.
Its such a stupid argument because there is nothing a player or coach that used to be on a team a year ago can give you that you don't have film study to use as a more reliable method.