How about Mangini?

[Reckedtrek]

How about Mangini?

How about NO.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

BB didn't not want Mangini to go a rival, he felt that his friend/protege was making a poor decision, and the protege dismissed the advice. Remember, BB walked from the chance to BB HC of NYJ for the exact reasons he told Mangini to walk away. And while BB ended up here, there was no certainty he would get another offer when the declined the job in NJ.

Before BB was "promoted" to HC NYJ, the Patriots faxed over a request to interview DC Belichick for the Pats open HC position. Within hours, Parcells kicked himself upstairs to an oversight position and quickly appointed BB to his vacancy to thwart Kraft. I think that BB had good reason to believe the interview requested would land the Pats job as he'd gotten along well with Kraft.

 

[PatsDeb]

Before BB was "promoted" to HC NYJ, the Patriots faxed over a request to interview DC Belichick for the Pats open HC position. Within hours, Parcells kicked himself upstairs to an oversight position and quickly appointed BB to his vacancy to thwart Kraft. I think that BB had good reason to believe the interview requested would land the Pats job as he'd gotten along well with Kraft.

This is how I remember it too. It became clear that the Pats were going to hire BB away, so Parcells decided to screw both Kraft & BB at the same time by quickly handing BB the Jets job, and then BB masterfully, albeit all flummoxed up, screwed Parcells right back. Ha Ha! The first victory for BB and the Pats.

 

[Ring 6]

Before BB was "promoted" to HC NYJ, the Patriots faxed over a request to interview DC Belichick for the Pats open HC position. Within hours, Parcells kicked himself upstairs to an oversight position and quickly appointed BB to his vacancy to thwart Kraft. I think that BB had good reason to believe the interview requested would land the Pats job as he'd gotten along well with Kraft.

Regardless of that facet of the story, BB is on record as saying that he didn't want the Jets job because of ownership. The point I was making was when you your mentor advises you to not go to work somewhere that he personally has decided is the wrong place to be, and you go, that is, at the least, disrespectful to the relationship.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Regardless of that facet of the story, BB is on record as saying that he didn't want the Jets job because of ownership. The point I was making was when you your mentor advises you to not go to work somewhere that he personally has decided is the wrong place to be, and you go, that is, at the least, disrespectful to the relationship.

I was responding to the "no (job) certainty", not BB's well known disdain for the ownership and Parcells shouting over his virtual shoulder.

 

[DaBruinz]

Regardless of that facet of the story, BB is on record as saying that he didn't want the Jets job because of ownership. The point I was making was when you your mentor advises you to not go to work somewhere that he personally has decided is the wrong place to be, and you go, that is, at the least, disrespectful to the relationship.

Seriously. It was ADVICE. There was nothing disrespectful in not heeding that advice. What was disrespectful was Magini's actions after he made the decision. Trying to poach coaches. Refusing to return property (playbooks). Mangini basically did things that Parcells did when Parcells shot his way out of New England. Then it was exacerbated by Mangini's actions in Jets vs Pats play-off game and then again in the Cameragate game and scandal.

This is all well documented.

BTW, BB didn't care for the ownership of the Jets because of Johnson and Parcells clear attempt to prevent BB from interviewing with Kraft and the Patriots. That is something that BB wouldn't do and has never done, to my knowledge.

 

[Patters]

Your comments was "Manginis defenses" were great.
I'm not diminishing Mangini's contribution to the coaching staff, but he isn't bringing new ideas. As I said he learned literally everything he knows from BB. You seem to be searching for coaching that would improve the defense. I don't know how you get that by bringing in a guy who would mimic what is already in place.
The bad blood would seem to overwhelm the ability to absorb and communicate what BB instructs.

I'm not advocating for Mangini. I don't like what he did at all. But, it is an interesting idea. I don't buy that BB is a God above all man; I think he's a great coach, a great manager, and a great builder of a team. His skill is in putting all the pieces in place to build a winning team. Mangini too had certain skills -- maybe it was defensive play calls, maybe it was making adjustments, maybe it was organizing effective practices, maybe it was statistics, but it had to be something. At any rate, the reality remains that the BB defense have not been very good since Mangini left, so to me it's an intriguing thought to bring Mangini back. I agree with you it probably will never happen because of the bad blood, but maybe 6 or 9 months ago Mangini was asked about his relationship with BB, and he described it as "a work in progress," so maybe there's not as much bad blood now as there was.

 

[DaBruinz]

I'm not advocating for Mangini. I don't like what he did at all. But, it is an interesting idea. I don't buy that BB is a God above all man; I think he's a great coach, a great manager, and a great builder of a team. His skill is in putting all the pieces in place to build a winning team. Mangini too had certain skills -- maybe it was defensive play calls, maybe it was making adjustments, maybe it was organizing effective practices, maybe it was statistics, but it had to be something. At any rate, the reality remains that the BB defense have not been very good since Mangini left, so to me it's an intriguing thought to bring Mangini back. I agree with you it probably will never happen because of the bad blood, but maybe 6 or 9 months ago Mangini was asked about his relationship with BB, and he described it as "a work in progress," so maybe there's not as much bad blood now as there was.

Wow. Gotta love the spin..

Mangini isn't walking through that door because he burned his bridges. Both with Belichick and with the organization. Not sure how anyone can think otherwise or even suggest it to begin with.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

That just it, I dont think it has been widely reported.
There is a stereotypical belief that decisions are always factored by 'in the division' but in reality I don't think there is much to it, especially with BB.
If not for Bledsoe, people would still be saying "BB would never trade within the division" because people like to assign their personal beliefs to BB and pretend they are his, but clearly BB doesn't believe in that one either.

Thanks for the candor. OK. So, we are both trying to read BB's mind from a distance and we'll all have to wait for his long-awaited book after he retires, assuming he says much beyond "Brady. Probable. Shoulder" therein anyway

 

[TomPatriot]

Only if he comes with a first round pick.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I'm not advocating for Mangini. I don't like what he did at all. But, it is an interesting idea. I don't buy that BB is a God above all man; I think he's a great coach, a great manager, and a great builder of a team. His skill is in putting all the pieces in place to build a winning team. Mangini too had certain skills -- maybe it was defensive play calls, maybe it was making adjustments, maybe it was organizing effective practices, maybe it was statistics, but it had to be something. At any rate, the reality remains that the BB defense have not been very good since Mangini left, so to me it's an intriguing thought to bring Mangini back. I agree with you it probably will never happen because of the bad blood, but maybe 6 or 9 months ago Mangini was asked about his relationship with BB, and he described it as "a work in progress," so maybe there's not as much bad blood now as there was.

It was the exodus of talent and the inability to adequately replace them, nothing more than that. Certainly not because Mangini left,

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Bring back Mangini?



What are you people?....... On dope?

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not advocating for Mangini. I don't like what he did at all. But, it is an interesting idea. I don't buy that BB is a God above all man; I think he's a great coach, a great manager, and a great builder of a team. His skill is in putting all the pieces in place to build a winning team. Mangini too had certain skills -- maybe it was defensive play calls, maybe it was making adjustments, maybe it was organizing effective practices, maybe it was statistics, but it had to be something. At any rate, the reality remains that the BB defense have not been very good since Mangini left, so to me it's an intriguing thought to bring Mangini back. I agree with you it probably will never happen because of the bad blood, but maybe 6 or 9 months ago Mangini was asked about his relationship with BB, and he described it as "a work in progress," so maybe there's not as much bad blood now as there was.

I am not strongly pro or anti Mangini either. (I do have a distant link to him that causes me to see him as a real person, not the Hitler, Ghengis Khan and Jeffrey Dahmer rolled into one that some Pats fans do)
My point is that if you know Manginis background, he is 100% a product of BB. I'm not saying he doesnt have a mind of his own, but everything he knows about coaching at the NFL level was learned from BB. In fact Mangini played college ball at BBs alma mater and while he was there discussions happened about his grooming as a coach. My point is that Mangini isn't going to add much that someone who BB trained from the ground up wouldn't also, other than his level of skill, and I haven't seen where his is substantially greater than other BB assistants.

 

[Joker]

I don't see him in any hysterical terms..I see a rat...a stool pigeon..proven in the press...he is vermin where I live...I can't speak for attitudes in Sanduskyland,where up is down and white is black.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm not advocating for Mangini. I don't like what he did at all. But, it is an interesting idea. I don't buy that BB is a God above all man; I think he's a great coach, a great manager, and a great builder of a team. His skill is in putting all the pieces in place to build a winning team. Mangini too had certain skills -- maybe it was defensive play calls, maybe it was making adjustments, maybe it was organizing effective practices, maybe it was statistics, but it had to be something. At any rate, the reality remains that the BB defense have not been very good since Mangini left, so to me it's an intriguing thought to bring Mangini back. I agree with you it probably will never happen because of the bad blood, but maybe 6 or 9 months ago Mangini was asked about his relationship with BB, and he described it as "a work in progress," so maybe there's not as much bad blood now as there was.

Jets fan!!!!!

 

[Ring 6]

I don't see him in any hysterical terms..I see a rat...a stool pigeon..proven in the press...he is vermin where I live...I can't speak for attitudes in Sanduskyland,where up is down and white is black.

I don't know what the reference to Sandusky land is supposed to mean, but if that was directed at me Child Please

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Look, I've got twenty years in at work and have mentored many a young jedi in my time. Many of them have moved on to other parts of the country and achieved higher levels than me. I'm fine with all of that, HOWEVER, Nothing pisses you off more, than one that turns on you. I never had it happen, but I did have to remind one once about the consequences of doing so.....

Honestly I think that Mangini was BB's "guy" and once he turned on him. I'm pretty sure that he is dead in BB's eyes. I don't even think that they even speak. I would pay money to see BSPN sned him to Foxboro to interview BB this week.

Bottomline Mangini will be lucky if ANYONE hires him to be an assistant (if he turned on his mentor, why would you hire him on your staff?).

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Look, I've got twenty years in at work and have mentored many a young jedi in my time. Many of them have moved on to other parts of the country and achieved higher levels than me. I'm fine with all of that, HOWEVER, Nothing pisses you off more, than one that turns on you. I never had it happen, but I did have to remind one once about the consequences of doing so.....

Honestly I think that Mangini was BB's "guy" and once he turned on him. I'm pretty sure that he is dead in BB's eyes. I don't even think that they even speak. I would pay money to see BSPN sned him to Foxboro to interview BB this week.

Bottomline Mangini will be lucky if ANYONE hires him to be an assistant (if he turned on his mentor, why would you hire him on your staff?).

It happened to me. New CEO fired my boss and sent me off to purgatory while promoting a cadre of Manginis who whispered in his ear. In my case I cleaned up Purgatory and the bozo CEO brought me back to run the show 4 months later. Fortunately he got canned 6 months later. Ah, High-Tech.

 

[Mayday Malone]

If BB brought Mangini back, I'd have to reaffirm my belief in BB, and God, all in the same day. Has that ever been done since before apples were invented?

The only way I'd take Mangini would be for him to do a live exclusive on Oprah, CNN, ESPN, The Daily Show, and every freaking news show you can imagine and exonerate BB for the crimes assumed against him, with detail, since the accusation against the Jets. Even then, I'd watch him with a very restless eye.

 

[TriplecHamp]