Big dose of Edelman/Underwood/Ocho

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Now wait a sec....are you comparing the 2011 Denver Broncos to the 2001 "Greatest Show on Turf" St. Louis Rams here???? (BTW I don't even know who Coleman is!!.....Terry Glenn was probably there next most notable WR....I have forgotten....and Since no TE was mentioned in the Edelman/ocho/underwood post....? )

Secondly, Patten and Brown contributed ALOT that year...here's there stats
Troy Brown: 2001 New England Patriots 16 13 101 catches, 1,199 yards, 11.9 avg, 60 long for TD, 5tds, RUSH: 11/91, 8.3 avg, 31 yds longest,

David Patten: 2001 New England 16 games 51 catch 749 yds 46.8 yds/game 14.7 avg, 91 yds longest, 34 catch for 1st down, 4 TDs 2KR 44yds,

Here's what Ocho, Edelman, and Underwood have done so far this year.....

Edelman: 2011 NE 10 games, 3 rec 27 yards, 2.7 yards per game, 9.0 avg, RUSH: 3 attempts 2yds (ouch), 1 fumble, 284 yds KR, 0 TD. 269 yrds PR, 1 TD

Ocho: 2011 NE 13 games,4 Receptions (only 4 Rec!? holy sh$t!!!) 228 yds, 17.5 avg, 53 longest, 0 TDs

Eraserhead: 2011 NE 3 games, 2 catch 17 yrds 8.5 avg, longest 10 yrds, 0 TD

I think my point was very well made based on the OP post here......No one initially is going to be sweating the defensive gameplan against any of the above 3....they will obviously be trying to shut down Gronk, Hern, and Welk......I HOPE that Ocho, and Underwood make some impact today....but given the history thus far...don't see it.

DISCUSS?????? By the way took me awhile to type all those stats ...so PLease discuss Shmessy!!!!

PS....ohh.....you mean Walt Coleman!!! He made the right call....!!!!

You are comparing guys who are competing to be the 6th receiving option to the top 2 receivers on the 2001 team?
And 85 doesnt have 228 yards on 4 receptions.

 

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You can also pick 3 players on any NFL team and say the same thing.


I believe Denver favors zone over man. Bailey, at this stage of his career would struggle more with Welker than any receiver because of the cod and quickness, IMO.


I don't understand this, maybe you can elaborate. Brady throws a lot to receivers because they are open a lot. He doesnt decide before the play who he is throwing to and throw it whether they get open or not. This is why Brady throws less Ints than almost anyone, and will take a sack when no one is open.
If you presumption about WRs being covered is accurate, I would see that as more dump off passes, throw aways, or sacks, not forcing the ball.


Someone is still going to be running Branch's patterns. There are many games where Branch is a nonfactor too. Your comments seem to suggest we are playing 10 on 11 or the defense can leave Branch's replacement uncovered.


This is where the versatility we have up front can help. We have a lot of big 2 gap DL who don't play a lot in the 43 base, but would play a lot against heavy running teams.
I am not worried by this game at all.

I'm not going to break down each point---attorney style, but the main point was in agreement with what you're saying...that "it would be the same for just about any team." (paraphrasing)

I was stating that by stopping those specfic 3 players, ANY team would have quite an advantage.

As far as my comment of Brady "going to the well too often," I think we have seen that plenty of times before...I'm not sure what your question is? Yes, he's one of the greats in protecting the ball, but he also tends to force balls too, particularly at times this year. If DEN is successful in their coverage, they are quite capable of picking a ball off.

I am including "throw aways, dump offs, sacks" (your statement) with forcing a bad ball into tight coverage (my statement). We've seen it plenty of times this year haven't we? I'm not sure what is so controversial about the thinking that Brady may throw a pick if the coverage is as tight as some think? I don't see that one as any big deal.

I agree that Branch's contribution should be able to be replicated, seeing as how we've had plenty of times when he's practically disappeared. Who it's from will be the question, but I doubt it matters...someone will step up.

I'm not "as" concerned as some, but losing Branch + continuing to be down Chung and Spikes does not make me feel any better either. I am going to stick with my 10-14 pt victory prediction. That, and 5 bucks, will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks

 

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You are comparing guys who are competing to be the 6th receiving option to the top 2 receivers on the 2001 team?
And 85 doesnt have 228 yards on 4 receptions.

That's the point Andy.....THEY (underwood, ocho, edelman) CAN'T compete with Patten, Troy Brown etc as far as productivity etc ...right?....you get that they (Underwood, ocho, edelman cant compete with the numbers accumulated by Troy Brown and David Patten) so far this year ...right Andy? Not sure I get ur point here....and yeah I stated what 85 has....not much until tonights game....