Patriots Shuffle Roster, Release Price

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

Not really. Because the first round isn't much better, even in the top 10.

For the Pats, it is. to their credit, they haven't really missed on a first round pick yet in the Belichick era. Their worst pick was Maroney, and he was a late first rounder who started effectively on a SB team before injuries did him in. You're right that the washout rate on first round picks around the league is higher than one might think, but I think part of the reason for that misconception, at least around here, is that it's consistent with the Patriots' track record.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

Who really cares that Taylor Price was cut? It has zero effect on our team.

He obviously wasn't going to play this year anyway, unless you're that guy who kept insisting that it was "due to his hamstring..." (despite all reports every week that he was on the field for warmups and was quoted as saying "My legs feel great.")

If you're in the club that b!tches about failed picks etc, keep in mind that we do accumulate more picks that any other team, and that's probably because Belichick is smart enough to realize that it's a total crapshoot.

If Belichick would stop making so many lousy picks, nobody would mind the drop down approach. When teams stock up on picks and then piss them away, people get understandably annoyed.

 

[Sciz]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

I don't think there's a team in the history of football that has cut more 2nd and 3rd round draft picks over the last 3 years than this team.

Considering that I'm sure no team has MADE more 2nd and 3rd round picks than the Pats just did recently, it's not overly surprising. Luckily, success in the draft isn't based on how many guys you cut or even the percentage of guys that you cut. All that matters is how many guys you get out of it.

 

[RIpats88]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

If Belichick would stop making so many lousy picks, nobody would mind the drop down approach. When teams stock up on picks and then piss them away, people get understandably annoyed.

yeah, but how many other teams are batting high %'s on most of their picks?? Id bet that the fail rate is just as similar around the league....I will say BB has been BAD at drafting receivers...although id say our drafts the past 2 years have been pretty good.

2010: Gronk, hernandez, mccourty, spikes

2011: nate solder, Ridley, Vereen

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

Patriots WR drafted post 2002:

2003 - Bethel Johnson
2004 - P.K. Sam
2005 - None
2006 - Chad Jackson
2007 - None
2008 - None (Matthew Slater)
2009 - Brandon Tate
2010 - Taylor Price
2011 - None

You left off Edelman and you chose to start one year after two pretty effective WR draft picks were made, Branch and Patten.

Also, the 2007 picks were quite effectively used to acquire pro bowl wide receivers

 

[supafly]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

If Belichick would stop making so many lousy picks, nobody would mind the drop down approach. When teams stock up on picks and then piss them away, people get understandably annoyed.

That's very understandable, and I too have thought about many misses.

I do think that BB's approach may take into consideration the fact that there are many misses, and taking more players may lead to possibly getting a player or two worth a damn.

Unfortunately, that specific position (and CB) have produced total crap, at least for the most part.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

You left off Edelman and you chose to start one year after two pretty effective WR draft picks were made, Branch and Patten.

Also, the 2007 picks were quite effectively used to acquire pro bowl wide receivers

I agree that 2003 seems a bit arbitrary, but I'll defend leaving off Edelman; he was drafted as an athlete, not specifically as a WR (even though that's how he was announced), and it's not even a given at this point he'll stay at WR.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

yeah, but how many other teams are batting high %'s on most of their picks?? Id bet that the fail rate is just as similar around the league....I will say BB has been BAD at drafting receivers...although id say our drafts the past 2 years have been pretty good.

2010: Gronk, hernandez, mccourty, spikes

2011: nate solder, Ridley, Vereen

Drafting has highs and lows, no matter which team is doing the drafting. What's really going on here is that the people who feel the need to bash BB over everything are acting as if BB needs to be shot because of his drafts, while the people who feel the need to defend BB over everything are pretending that BB hasn't struggled in the draft since 2005, even though most of them are too smart to believe that crap.

The problem for the Patriots is that the down draft years coincided with the new (2006) CBA, which made free agency a less effective method of stocking teams with quality players. The result has been less free agency success combined with fewer quality draft hits, and that's hurt the team as it's tried to transition from the great players of the early part of the 2000s.

The reality is that BB has screwed the pooch on a lot of decisions, and been very good on a lot of others. The team, and the fan base, simply need the ratio to begin favoring "very good" a lot more than it has in the past few seasons.

 

[andrewgarrr]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

You left off Edelman and you chose to start one year after two pretty effective WR draft picks were made, Branch and Patten.

Also, the 2007 picks were quite effectively used to acquire pro bowl wide receivers

Givens not Patten.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

You left off Edelman and you chose to start one year after two pretty effective WR draft picks were made, Branch and Patten.

Also, the 2007 picks were quite effectively used to acquire pro bowl wide receivers

1.) I didn't leave off Edelman. He was, and is, a jack of all trades who hasn't seemed to find a full time position yet.

2.) Of course I started after WR picks were made. The whole point was to note the failures post-2002.

3.) Patten came into the league in 1997.

4.) I know what the 2007 picks did. It was great work by BB, and I used to call the Patriots 2007 draft the best in the NFL, prior to the cutting of Meriweather. They didn't draft WRs in 2007, however.

 

[realtime]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

Bethel Johnson has to be a fail.

2nd round draft picks should not be used exclusively as a KR. He never had any success here as a WR.

That 41-yd TD reception he had in a 3-point playoff win was a complete failure.

 

[Joker]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

Drafting has highs and lows, no matter which team is doing the drafting. What's really going on here is that the people who feel the need to bash BB over everything are acting as if BB needs to be shot because of his drafts, while the people who feel the need to defend BB over everything are pretending that BB hasn't struggled in the draft since 2005, even though most of them are too smart to believe that crap.

The problem for the Patriots is that the down draft years coincided with the new (2006) CBA, which made free agency a less effective method of stocking teams with quality players. The result has been less free agency success combined with fewer quality draft hits, and that's hurt the team as it's tried to transition from the great players of the early part of the 2000s.

The reality is that BB has screwed the pooch on a lot of decisions, and been very good on a lot of others. The team, and the fan base, simply need the ratio to begin favoring "very good" a lot more than it has in the past few seasons.

this is a very astute post....look at the DB picks...after last season, McCourty was touted as a bona fide draft "hit!"...this season...well...you've seen the threads.All it takes is one good hit at WR...look at Brandon Tate...BB missed...Pitt's Wallace was taken a few picks later...could have easily been Wallace there but they saw something in Tate, perhaps versatility, that swung them in HIS direction. The Pats take Wallace and are we even having this "WR draft busts!!!!" conversation?

Whoever made the TE drafts post hit the nail on the head....TE was beaten to death in much the same way as this WR argument but since BB took Hernandez and Gronk, it's become a non issue...funny how that works.....

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

That 41-yd TD reception he had in a 3-point playoff win was a complete failure.

The guy had 39 receptions as an NFL player. If you are so far in the bag that you aren't willing to admit that Johnson was a failure, you probably need to get into a 12 step plan.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

Great pick BB.......

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

I agree that 2003 seems a bit arbitrary, but I'll defend leaving off Edelman; he was drafted as an athlete, not specifically as a WR (even though that's how he was announced), and it's not even a given at this point he'll stay at WR.

If he lists Slater as a WR bust, well... Edelman has certainly played more snaps at WR than Slater.

And yes, 2002 I meant Givens, my bad

 

[ScottishPat]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

Not read the whole thread but apologies if it's been said already. If he goes un-claimed can he be signed to the PS or has he been active too many games ?

Bit of a shame because he showed some potential in the first pre season game.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

Not read the whole thread but apologies if it's been said already. If he goes un-claimed can he be signed to the PS or has he been active too many games ?

Bit of a shame because he showed some potential in the first pre season game.

He can go to the PS.

 

[realtime]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

The guy had 39 receptions as an NFL player. If you are so far in the bag that you aren't willing to admit that Johnson was a failure, you probably need to get into a 12 step plan.

LOL. By your standards USC Steve Smith has been a success as an NFL receiver and David Tyree a failure. Bethel Johnson made two of the biggest -- if not the two biggest -- offensive plays against the Titans in the 2003 playoffs. If you want to call that a "failure", then you need a lot more than a 12 step plan.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

If he lists Slater as a WR bust, well... Edelman has certainly played more snaps at WR than Slater.

And yes, 2002 I meant Givens, my bad

I didn't list Slater as a bust. Hell, I didn't list anyone as a bust. I listed all the WRs drafted by the team since 2002. Slater, who was listed as a WR for the draft but has been a special teams player, was put in parentheses. Edelman was listed as a QB for the draft. I realize that he's been more of a WR than has Slater, but he's really been more of a special teams player than anything since he's really just serves as Welker insurance.

If you feel the desire to include Edelman on your version of the WR list, you should do so.

 

[condon84]

Re: Taylor Price Waived

I think we all saw this coming when Underwood played instead of him last week. Those who believe the "hamstring" injury are the same guys who still believe Cunningham is going to be a good player for us.