* Ye Official 2012 Mock Draft Thread!! *

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Great Blue North's Draft Order

1 Indianapolis 0-11 .540
2 St. Louis 2-9 .574
3 Minnesota 2-9 .574
4 Jacksonville 3-8 .494
5 Carolina 3-8 .511
6 Miami 3-8 .523
7 Washington 4-7 .455
8 Arizona 4-7 .472
9 Philadelphia 4-7 .506
10 Kansas City 4-7 .517
11 Seattle 4-7 .523
12 Cleveland 4-7 .523
13 San Diego 4-7 .534
14 Tampa Bay 4-7 .545
15 Buffalo 5-6 .506
16 Tennessee 6-5 .466
17 NY Jets 6-5 .488
18 NY Giants 6-5 .511
19 Denver 6-5 .523
20 Detroit 7-4 .563
21P Dallas 7-4 .455
22P Cleveland 7-4 .466
23P Cincinnati 7-4 .494
24P Cincinnati 7-4 .506
25P Chicago 7-4 .517
26P NewEngland 8-3 .443
27P NewEngland 8-3 .455
28P Baltimore 8-3 .477
29P Pittsburgh 8-3 .489
30P San Fran 9-2 .449
31P Houston 8-3 .438
32P Green Bay 11-0 .472

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1st Rounders

#26
#27

2nd Rounders

#56
#59

3rd Rounder

#90

4th Rounder

#122

 

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Btw, Desean Jackson is a unrestricted free agent at the end of the season so I don't feel a need to swap draft picks.

Good point, Sir...

But I can't imagine the Eagles don't franchise'm.

888

 

[TriplecHamp]

Good point, Sir...

But I can't imagine the Eagles don't franchise'm.

888

after these past few weeks I certainly can. I sure don't want him here though.

 

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Btw, Desean Jackson is a unrestricted free agent at the end of the season so I don't feel a need to swap draft picks.

Good point, Sir...

But I can't imagine the Eagles don't franchise'm.

after these past few weeks I certainly can.

I sure don't want him here though.

Hah!! On that much, we see eye to EYE, my friend!!

 

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Random Blasphemy V ~ Quarter Backs

1 ~ It is, of course, way off the beaten path to suggest that we would even consider trading a QB ~ Ryan Mallett ~ whom we just drafted a year ago...But that is, of course, one of many ways in which my philosophical approach diverges from that of most, even from that of Coach Bill The Mad...And as Mad Bill, himself, has shown us, time and again: There's a first time for everything.

2 ~ I don't care for Mallett, and the Argument that it must've been the right move to draft him, simply by virtue of the fat that Bill The Mad made it, sank into the abyss a LONG time ago: He's the BEST, and he is without peer...but he ~ Mad Bill ~ is FAR from infallible, as the debacles of Richard Seymour, Derrick Burgess, and a couple dozen other disasters have highlighted...Mind you, I don't KNOW it was a mistake to draft him: I just didn't LIKE the move...at ALL.

3 ~ I hope we're smart enough to RFA Brian Hoyer and trade him for his Market Value...And if we are, a 3rd Rounder and change seems viable, to me...But of course I'm speculating.

4 ~ One of the best ways to manage our Balance Sheet, it seems to me, is to be continually scooping up smart Quarter Backs who're perceived as having limited physical skills, to snag them in the Late Rounds or beyond, to develop them, and to then trade them. We need backups, anyway, of course, and I'd much rather have an hungry young guy, behind Brady, who's been trained in our System from Day 1, rather than some Vet who's been trained in other Systems, and might lack the open mind and the passion to do what it takes to master our system...And when they "ripen", we can trade them to a team for sweet, sweet Draft Picks, to everyone's benefit.

5 ~ Along those lines, I'm looking at these four guys, right now, as possible Late Round or UFA Picks:

Gary Joe Kinne
BJ Coleman
Kellen Moore
Patrick Witt

Witt is interesting, in that he is one of the rare instances in which I diverge with Wes Bunting of National FootBall Post, for whom I have a lot of respect: Whatever other faults Witt may be saddled with ~ and God knows he has AWFUL Mechanics and is raw as HELL!! ~ he is a cerebral kid with excellent Processing Speed and Diagnostics...and as such, he's on my Radar.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Random Blasphemy V ~ Quarter Backs

1 ~ It is, of course, way off the beaten path to suggest that we would even consider trading a QB ~ Ryan Mallett ~ whom we just drafted a year ago...But that is, of course, one of many ways in which my philosophical approach diverges from that of most, even from that of Coach Bill The Mad...And as Mad Bill, himself, has shown us, time and again: There's a first time for everything.

2 ~ I don't care for Mallett, and the Argument that it must've been the right move to draft him, simply by virtue of the fat that Bill The Mad made it, sank into the abyss a LONG time ago: He's the BEST, and he is without peer...but he ~ Mad Bill ~ is FAR from infallible, as the debacles of Richard Seymour, Derrick Burgess, and a couple dozen other disasters have highlighted...Mind you, I don't KNOW it was a mistake to draft him: I just didn't LIKE the move...at ALL.

3 ~ I hope we're smart enough to RFA Brian Hoyer and trade him for his Market Value...And if we are, a 3rd Rounder and change seems viable, to me...But of course I'm speculating.

4 ~ One of the best ways to manage our Balance Sheet, it seems to me, is to be continually scooping up smart Quarter Backs who're perceived as having limited physical skills, to snag them in the Late Rounds or beyond, to develop them, and to then trade them. We need backups, anyway, of course, and I'd much rather have an hungry young guy, behind Brady, who's been trained in our System from Day 1, rather than some Vet who's been trained in other Systems, and might lack the open mind and the passion to do what it takes to master our system...And when they "ripen", we can trade them to a team for sweet, sweet Draft Picks, to everyone's benefit.

5 ~ Along those lines, I'm looking at these four guys, right now, as possible Late Round or UFA Picks:

Gary Joe Kinne
BJ Coleman
Kellen Moore
Patrick Witt

Witt is interesting, in that he is one of the rare instances in which I diverge with Wes Bunting of National FootBall Post, for whom I have a lot of respect: Whatever other faults Witt may be saddled with ~ and God knows he has AWFUL Mechanics and is raw as HELL!! ~ he is a cerebral kid with excellent Processing Speed and Diagnostics...and as such, he's on my Radar.

I totally agree! If we can trade Mallett for some nice loot than it's a great move but he's not my kinda guy long term, I still want to move Mallet and Hoyer, trade for Stanzi & Barwin, and pick up a late round project to potentially stash on the practice squad.

 

[patfanken]

Random Blasphemy V ~ Quarter Backs

1 ~ It is, of course, way off the beaten path to suggest that we would even consider trading a QB ~ Ryan Mallett ~ whom we just drafted a year ago...But that is, of course, one of many ways in which my philosophical approach diverges from that of most, even from that of Coach Bill The Mad...And as Mad Bill, himself, has shown us, time and again: There's a first time for everything.

2 ~ I don't care for Mallett, and the Argument that it must've been the right move to draft him, simply by virtue of the fat that Bill The Mad made it, sank into the abyss a LONG time ago: He's the BEST, and he is without peer...but he ~ Mad Bill ~ is FAR from infallible, as the debacles of Richard Seymour, Derrick Burgess, and a couple dozen other disasters have highlighted...Mind you, I don't KNOW it was a mistake to draft him: I just didn't LIKE the move...at ALL.
r.

Two points of disagreement and one pet peeve
1.No one disagreed more with the Mallet pick that I did, at the time. I don't usually lose it, but face it, I lost it when I heard his name called. However the pick has been made;, and I have come to grips with the logic.. He probably WAS the best value at the time, and nothing we saw in the preseason, given the short off season, would make me think he might not be a fine QB down the road, perhaps even Brady's successor

We are not doing better than Mallet in this current draft, and whether we keep Hoyer or move him for a draft pick,(I like your RFA idea) our QB situation is much better with him, especially the way QBs keep falling like they have this year.

2. While Derrick Burgess part II was the complete waste of a draft pick as you described, Richard Seymour was NOT a debacle. Far from it. It was a great trade. We gave up a diminishing asset for more than a fair price.

When are people who think like you do going to get it through their heads that Richard Seymour WAS NOT coming back for the 2010 season. PERIOD. Whether it was because of the perception that he wasn't worth the money it would take to keep him, cap issues (who you would lose if you kept him), or the fact Seymour no longer wanted to play here.(my personal favorite) Keeping an unsigned disgruntled Seymour for JUST the 2009 season WAS NOT in the Pats best interests.

The fact they managed to get better than fair value for him in a trade was a just a bonus. And nothing Seymour has done over the past 3 seasons has made me second guess this trade. He's STILL a good player (when he's on the field), but he's no longer elite, and certainly not worth the cap busting amount of money tje Raiders had to pay just to keep him. The ripple effect of keeping him and resigning him would have been disastrous long term for the Pats, and keeping him for the 2009 season, realistically wouldn't have changed a thing to that already flawed team.

While I might end up being wrong about the ultimate success of the Mallet pick, I am NOT wrong about the Seymour trade

Still thanks for bringing to my attention 4 college QBs I have never heard of, all of whom I will now keep an eye on.

 

[IllegalContact]

we won't get much for mallett this offseason....not enough to make it worth drafting him in the first place anyway.

given there is no clue who will be avialable, the biggest need is 3-4 OLB.....the 4-3 is a temporary as needed basis since it does not allow yo to put 8 in coverage in the base package.

I would like for the pats to come away from the first 3 rounds with the following guys:

S - mark barron
DE/DT - billy winn
DE/OLB jonathan massaquoi
C - mike brewster
DE/OLB - jake bequette

 

[NePatriots]

Random Blasphemy V ~ Quarter Backs

Witt is interesting, in that he is one of the rare instances in which I diverge with Wes Bunting of National FootBall Post, for whom I have a lot of respect: Whatever other faults Witt may be saddled with ~ and God knows he has AWFUL Mechanics and is raw as HELL!! ~ he is a cerebral kid with excellent Processing Speed and Diagnostics...and as such, he's on my Radar.

We broke down a game play by play of Witt's (Harvard v Yale) a bit back - take a look.

Film Room: Harvard v Yale

 

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Random Blasphemy V ~ Quarter Backs

1 ~ It is, of course, way off the beaten path to suggest that we would even consider trading a QB ~ Ryan Mallett ~ whom we just drafted a year ago...But that is, of course, one of many ways in which my philosophical approach diverges from that of most, even from that of Coach Bill The Mad...And as Mad Bill, himself, has shown us, time and again: There's a first time for everything.

2 ~ I don't care for Mallett, and the Argument that it must've been the right move to draft him, simply by virtue of the fat that Bill The Mad made it, sank into the abyss a LONG time ago: He's the BEST, and he is without peer...but he ~ Mad Bill ~ is FAR from infallible, as the debacles of Richard Seymour, Derrick Burgess, and a couple dozen other disasters have highlighted...Mind you, I don't KNOW it was a mistake to draft him: I just didn't LIKE the move...at ALL.

3 ~ I hope we're smart enough to RFA Brian Hoyer and trade him for his Market Value...And if we are, a 3rd Rounder and change seems viable, to me...But of course I'm speculating.

4 ~ One of the best ways to manage our Balance Sheet, it seems to me, is to be continually scooping up smart Quarter Backs who're perceived as having limited physical skills, to snag them in the Late Rounds or beyond, to develop them, and to then trade them. We need backups, anyway, of course, and I'd much rather have an hungry young guy, behind Brady, who's been trained in our System from Day 1, rather than some Vet who's been trained in other Systems, and might lack the open mind and the passion to do what it takes to master our system...And when they "ripen", we can trade them to a team for sweet, sweet Draft Picks, to everyone's benefit.

5 ~ Along those lines, I'm looking at these four guys, right now, as possible Late Round or UFA Picks:

Gary Joe Kinne
BJ Coleman
Kellen Moore
Patrick Witt

Witt is interesting, in that he is one of the rare instances in which I diverge with Wes Bunting of National FootBall Post, for whom I have a lot of respect: Whatever other faults Witt may be saddled with ~ and God knows he has AWFUL Mechanics and is raw as HELL!! ~ he is a cerebral kid with excellent Processing Speed and Diagnostics...and as such, he's on my Radar.

When are people who think like you do going to get it through their heads that Richard Seymour WAS NOT coming back for the 2010 season.

PERIOD.

WOW.

Could you possibly BE more insulting??

Could you possibly be more ARROGANT??

Could you possibly be more OBNOXIOUSLY condescending??

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If somebody wants to argue that the Seymour Trade was a good one, they have valid reasons for doing so, and they have my respect, though we disagree...

I don't pretend to have all the answers.

I just have my opinions.

Same as we all do.

YOU, on the other hand, offend and disgust me.

Ignorant and insulting convulsions like yours say a lot more about you, than they do about me or anyone else.

 

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Random Blasphemy V ~ Quarter Backs

1 ~ It is, of course, way off the beaten path to suggest that we would even consider trading a QB ~ Ryan Mallett ~ whom we just drafted a year ago...But that is, of course, one of many ways in which my philosophical approach diverges from that of most, even from that of Coach Bill The Mad...And as Mad Bill, himself, has shown us, time and again: There's a first time for everything.

2 ~ I don't care for Mallett, and the Argument that it must've been the right move to draft him, simply by virtue of the fat that Bill The Mad made it, sank into the abyss a LONG time ago: He's the BEST, and he is without peer...but he ~ Mad Bill ~ is FAR from infallible, as the debacles of Richard Seymour, Derrick Burgess, and a couple dozen other disasters have highlighted...Mind you, I don't KNOW it was a mistake to draft him: I just didn't LIKE the move...at ALL.

3 ~ I hope we're smart enough to RFA Brian Hoyer and trade him for his Market Value...And if we are, a 3rd Rounder and change seems viable, to me...But of course I'm speculating.

4 ~ One of the best ways to manage our Balance Sheet, it seems to me, is to be continually scooping up smart Quarter Backs who're perceived as having limited physical skills, to snag them in the Late Rounds or beyond, to develop them, and to then trade them. We need backups, anyway, of course, and I'd much rather have an hungry young guy, behind Brady, who's been trained in our System from Day 1, rather than some Vet who's been trained in other Systems, and might lack the open mind and the passion to do what it takes to master our system...And when they "ripen", we can trade them to a team for sweet, sweet Draft Picks, to everyone's benefit.

5 ~ Along those lines, I'm looking at these four guys, right now, as possible Late Round or UFA Picks:

Gary Joe Kinne
BJ Coleman
Kellen Moore
Patrick Witt

Witt is interesting, in that he is one of the rare instances in which I diverge with Wes Bunting of National FootBall Post, for whom I have a lot of respect: Whatever other faults Witt may be saddled with ~ and God knows he has AWFUL Mechanics and is raw as HELL!! ~ he is a cerebral kid with excellent Processing Speed and Diagnostics...and as such, he's on my Radar.

We broke down a game play by play of Witt's (Harvard v Yale) a bit back - take a look.

Film Room: Harvard v Yale

Will do.

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Great Blue North's Draft Order

1 Indianapolis 0-11 .540
2 St. Louis 2-9 .574
3 Minnesota 2-9 .574
4 Jacksonville 3-8 .494
5 Carolina 3-8 .511
6 Miami 3-8 .523
7 Washington 4-7 .455
8 Arizona 4-7 .472
9 Philadelphia 4-7 .506
10 Kansas City 4-7 .517
11 Seattle 4-7 .523
12 Cleveland 4-7 .523
13 San Diego 4-7 .534
14 Tampa Bay 4-7 .545
15 Buffalo 5-6 .506
16 Tennessee 6-5 .466
17 NY Jets 6-5 .488
18 NY Giants 6-5 .511
19 Denver 6-5 .523
20 Detroit 7-4 .563
21P Dallas 7-4 .455
22P Cleveland 7-4 .466
23P Cincinnati 7-4 .494
24P Cincinnati 7-4 .506
25P Chicago 7-4 .517
26P NewEngland 8-3 .443
27P NewEngland 8-3 .455
28P Baltimore 8-3 .477
29P Pittsburgh 8-3 .489
30P San Fran 9-2 .449
31P Houston 8-3 .438
32P Green Bay 11-0 .472

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1st Rounders

#26
#27

2nd Rounders

#56
#59

3rd Rounder

#90

4th Rounder

#122

 

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Editor's Note: If anyone cares to argue the well-worn Seymour Trade Debate, I humbly beg you to open up a different Thread in which to do so. It was my fault, and my fault, alone, for even mentioning it in the first place, and that is why I made a point NOT to argue the point in my response to Ken's offensive remarks to me. Much obliged...

 

[patsfaninpa]

Robert Griffin III hits Kendall Wright on a 59yard td pass on the 2nd play of the game. Damn, that Wright kid runs like Terry Glenn. Gotta be 4.4

 

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Random Blasphemy VI ~ O Line Grizzlies!!

1 ~ I have to admit that at this point I am seriously considering passing on Centers, all together...I wonder how many of you are thinking the same??

2 ~ I like Peter Konz, but there are major questions about his Core Strength, and he is so tall that it scares the hell out of me to think about expending a late 1st Rounder to get him. I truly don't give a rat's @$$ how the guy does for the first 16 weeks. I want a Center who can sit Casey Hampton on his @$$ in January, when the only games that matter are played...And I just don't know if Konz is that guy.

3 ~ Ditto, Mike Brewster. However, I get the distinct impression that this year's travails ~ which are CRUSHING his Market Value ~ are reflective of a chaotic O Line situation ~ the O Guards, in particular ~ and trouble from above, more than any notion that he has suddenly become a bum, after 3 strong years...Even so, I'm not comfortable with HIS height, either. I need to keep studying him...

4 ~ Ben Jones is the perfect size for the job ~ 6.3/315 or so ~ and has shown enough FirePower to be on my radar...But again, when I come down to how he'll do in Deep Winter against Casey Hampton, Mount Cody, BJ Raji, and Kong Suh, I am not yet convinced. Need More Input, Stephanie!!

5 ~ Needless to say, not having an elite Center does not destroy one's Championship Dreams, though having one certainly enhances them...And, indeed, there is NO stauncher advocate of investing HEAVY Draft Capital on the position than I, IF the Prospect is worth it...All I'm saying is that, before expending such precious Draft Capital on one, I need to be more convinced of one of these guys: Measure Twice, Cut Once, I always say, and if extensive research shows that The Big Three ALL come up short...Well, then, I'd be happier resigning Dan KoppenHagen and Zoomer Connolly: If the rest of the O Line is dominant, we may well win Championships with these guys.

6 ~ At O Guard, we have my Priority One for Draft 2012: Dave DeCastro. I consider O Guard to be HIDEOUSLY underrated for its Impact on the Championship Quest, and believe that True Dominance Starts In The Trenches. All 22 positions are important, I grant you, but the Return On Investment of drafting a TRUE Difference Maker at that particular, unheralded position, can be VAST.

For my mind, this guy is a Super Beast.

7 ~ Beyond that, I think there are some very intriguing Day 3 and UFA Prospects, any of whom I'd love to see us snatch up, to let Dante develop. These are my current favorites:

OG ~ Jeff Allen
OG ~ Kelvin Beachum
OT ~ Jim Carmon
OT ~ Josh Oglesby

 

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Random Blasphemy VII ~ Tight Ends!!

1 ~ It's no secret that I am obsessed with Tight Ends ~ Flex Ends + Wing Backs, to be specific.

2 ~ I believe that the more options your 11 offer you, the deadlier your Offense is.

3 ~ There is no position on the Offense that offers the Deadly Duality that Flex Ends and Wing Backs do.

4 ~ I also find Wide Receivers vastly overrated, one-dimensional, and extremely risky to spend heavy Draft Capital on.

5 ~ Furthermore, WideOuts usually take 2 or 3 years to incubate ~ to contribute substantially.

6 ~ Tight Ends, on the other hand...tend to get On Line rapidly.

7 ~ I know I'm virtually all alone on this, but I'm gonna keep pounding the table, baby!!

8 ~ What I want is to draft Wing Backs Coby Fleener and Michael Egnew!!

9 ~ HELL...I want Evan Rodriguez on Day 3, as well!! :rocker:

10 ~ I believe that those guys would start rocking immediately, just like Aaron + Gronk did.

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I see the Tight End Complex as doing nothing short of revolutionizing the game.

IF somebody in power sees it the same way.

 

[Stilla]

Random Blasphemy VII ~ Tight Ends!!

1 ~ It's no secret that I am obsessed with Tight Ends ~ Flex Ends + Wing Backs, to be specific.

2 ~ I believe that the more options your 11 offer you, the deadlier your Offense is.

3 ~ There is no position on the Offense that offers the Deadly Duality that Flex Ends and Wing Backs do.

4 ~ I also find Wide Receivers vastly overrated, one-dimensional, and extremely risky to spend heavy Draft Capital on.

5 ~ Furthermore, WideOuts usually take 2 or 3 years to incubate ~ to contribute substantially.

6 ~ Tight Ends, on the other hand...tend to get On Line rapidly.

7 ~ I know I'm virtually all alone on this, but I'm gonna keep pounding the table, baby!!

8 ~ What I want is to draft Wing Backs Coby Fleener and Michael Egnew!!

9 ~ HELL...I want Evan Rodriguez on Day 3, as well!! :rocker:

10 ~ I believe that those guys would start rocking immediately, just like Aaron + Gronk did.

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I see the Tight End Complex as doing nothing short of revolutionizing the game.

IF somebody in power sees it the same way.

I am all for your commitment to the TE, I love the concept myself. I would also enjoy BB drafting another Tackle in this draft. Some one who like Nate has the the ability to play TE. Having players who can play tackle and TE adds great depth to our team. Depth is always going to give you the best chance to get into the playoffs.

It doesn't seam far fetched to just get tackles who will end up playing some situational TE. Players who can play more than 1 roll will always put defenses on their heals. Players will not know if they are blocking or catching.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I am all for your commitment to the TE, I love the concept myself. I would also enjoy BB drafting another Tackle in this draft. Some one who like Nate has the the ability to play TE. Having players who can play tackle and TE adds great depth to our team. Depth is always going to give you the best chance to get into the playoffs.

It doesn't seam far fetched to just get tackles who will end up playing some situational TE. Players who can play more than 1 roll will always put defenses on their heals. Players will not know if they are blocking or catching.

I'd love to see them get their hands on Will Yeatman again and groom him to be a tackle, he can definitely catch a few balls.

 

[reflexblue]

I'd love to see them get their hands on Will Yeatman again and groom him to be a tackle, he can definitely catch a few balls.

He he going to be another one of your "finds" like Taylor Price?

 

[Snake Eyes]

He he going to be another one of your "finds" like Taylor Price?

1 - I never endorsed drafting Taylor Price, when we grabbed him I thought it was too high.

2 - I thought he looked really good in the Dolphins game and in pre-season, and was therefore very hopeful about him, and saddened he didnt work out.

3 - Yeatman could likely be had for very little, so if he doesnt work out the cost is negligible but he could also turn into a great player, he played very little football in college so who knows how good he could become with some grooming.

What, exactly do you get out of trying to bash me?