Jets Game #2 Thoughts

[Boston Boxer]

While I've never been a fan of this trade, it did seem that they had better chemistry last night.

on the two catches i saw, Ocho was wide open. It seems he is starting to do something right. Other than thise two plays, i dont remember seeing him on the field in the second half though.

 

[nabwong]

I'd like to chime in that the no huddle really depends on when you execute it. We tried to do it against pittsburgh but because the crowd was so loud, our communication was affected and we had many false start penalties. Once we lost our composure, it's not effective anymore. It's is definitely psychological. It depends on the things on the field and also off the field.

 

[satz]

A couple of things:

1.) Peyton Manning would disagree with you that you can't run the no huddle all the time. He pretty much did. Besides, there is a difference between a no huddle and a hurry up. A no huddle doesn't mean you have to snap the ball quickly. Many times when the Pats run the no huddle, the Pats snap the ball with only a few seconds left on the play clock.
2.) I am not advocating that though. Just that they need to run it more often.

Peyton and colts run a offence where the players play every down . same formation and each running some different pattern. To run it you need really good RB ,2 WR and 1 TE a reason the last few yrs he struggles when the quality of them go down. also same goes of OL. we do not build a top heavy team where the top guys are elite to play such. we spend our to build a 53 man team. just a different team building method.

 

[Wax Frog]

Everyone was on their jock because they crushed the Bills last week...

Ewww! 10 char

 

[Rob0729]

Peyton and colts run a offence where the players play every down . same formation and each running some different pattern. To run it you need really good RB ,2 WR and 1 TE a reason the last few yrs he struggles when the quality of them go down. also same goes of OL. we do not build a top heavy team where the top guys are elite to play such. we spend our to build a 53 man team. just a different team building method.

I am just saying it could be done. Not advocating doing it.

 

[mgteich]

No huddle does NOT have to be hurry up.

Points of contention on your thoughts

No Huddle - No team can go no huddle all the time. You are stuck with one personal formation and guys get gassed runnning around at that pace.
also you loss all ability to substitue in this. Yesterday we had success with no huddle due to the constant change of personal . The jets could not matchup our changing personal and every time we caught them with no huddle.So just saying lets play no huddle is not a solution.Every time bart scott went out we ran and every time he came in we threw.Its not a product of No Huddle. Also gronk was singled by Smith and he was not doubled.

Also the defense major issue was revis on wes ,because of this the safety and other corners set after revis does. By moving wes all around they were lost. Again it was a game plan issue. Do you really think REX with do the same game plan next time ?.

Ninkovich has been one of the better SAM LB in the league. He is a decent OLB but in a 4-3 he has been solid as hell. He is the guy who jams TE ,Sets a hard edge , rushes when rb stay home to block and takes on RB coming out of the field. DE to SAM LB is big tranformation. Bru never played outside the tackle box where he plays .He is space and hits the TE`s. Not sure if bru ever did this as a ILB in a 3-4.Just saying 2 entirely different position with 2 different responsibilty in 2 different systems.


rest good points/

 

[RIpats88]

on the two catches i saw, Ocho was wide open. It seems he is starting to do something right. Other than thise two plays, i dont remember seeing him on the field in the second half though.

I think his 53yard catch really set the tone for the game IMO.

the Jets were ready to play us like the Giants/steelers did by clogging the middle, testing us to throw deep...once Ocho burned them they had to respect the deep threat..opening up the middle for everyone else...especially since our running game never could get anything going

 

[Jangles]

Its a shame Ocho stepped out of bounds on the play where Cromartie was lost. It looked like the play could have been a long gainer.

Brady didnt seem upset at all. Thats got to help Ochos development.

Brady looked like a parent encouraging his kid on that play. I loved it. Ocho messed up, but I bet a huge weight was lifted off the pair of them on that drive.

 

[Kontradiction]

7.) Gronkowski is a special player. He could be a Hall of Famer when it is done. The guy is virtually uncoverable. The fact the Jets put Revis on him on some plays shows how great other teams think he is. I don't know if Revis has ever covered a TE. Not even Gates, Witten, Clark, or Gonzalez.

Revis covered Gates in the '09 divisional playoff game. Not all the time though. He went back and forth between Gates and Jackson.

 

[Kontradiction]

I would worry about Houston before Pittsburgh.

For some odd reason, the coaching staff put zero consideration into the idea that the Steelers would not go beyond the "do what we do" concept.

I hate the loss but it has to be a comfort to know that "suprise" will not be dropped on us in the playoffs.

Besides, the defense we saw yesterday will shut down their offense.

That's because the defense we saw yesterday played mostly man coverage with at least one deep safety most of the time and didn't just sit back in the zone while blitzing the ILB's far too often. The secondary has finally gotten used to man coverage and having a safety hover over the top has greatly helped out McCourty and the rest of the CB's. Not to mention, we were getting pressure with a four to five man rush a lot of the game.

 

[everlong]

The second Jets TD drive when they went back to the soft vanilla zone I was screaming at my TV, NOOOOOOOO. All the ex-Patriot analysts that have been clamoring for them to be more aggressive are correct. If you're going to fail go out swinging not whimpering.

When Collinsworth said McKnight is dropping back to receive the punt I called fumble. It's one thing doing that to spark your team with a Darrelle Green who you normally save from those duties not to wear him out but McKnight is unproven in punt returns even though he's great in kick off returns. You put a guy in a spot where he's going to instinctively try to do too much.

Carter, Anderson and Waters are epic wins. Haynesworth an epic fail. If Chad can just give us 4 catches for 60 yards every week going forward all is forgiven and I'll happily put him in the win column.

I liked the way the refs called the game for the most part. A bunch of times I wanted holding on Revis (Welker) or Mangold (Wilfork). However they didn't call the ticky tack stuff on the Pats either. Aarington was given the same latitude Revis was which is all you can ask for. The unnecessary roughness on Mouldin was a bad call IMO but was bang-bang so I'm not upset about it either.

The seeds today would be Houston, Pitt, NE, Oak, Balt and Cincy. Baltimore wins vs Cincy and they are the one seed however. I'd rather have Cincy win to stay ahead of the Jets and keep them home and avoid having a scenario where we play @ Baltimore.

White and Ninkovich laying out Keller before Ninkovich had the pick 6 in front of Captain Classy was awesome. The more physical team wins. The Edelman hit on Captain Classy was also a thing of beauty.

Let's hope with the short week and physical game that the Broncos can beat them and knock them back to 500.

Draft fail: The Browns got the Jets' first- and second-round picks in this year's draft, plus three players off the Jets' roster -- defensive end Kenyon Coleman, quarterback Brett Ratliff and defensive back Abram Elam.

That was the price for Sanchez. They could have stayed put and had Freeman who once you factor in talent level surrounding is just as good. For every trade up where you bag a Revis there's a Sanchez and a Dwayne Robertson that people forget about.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I think O'Brien still calls in plays in a no huddle. The play selection is usually limited though. Brady also may have more latitude to audible.

I can't find confirmation of this quickly, but I'm fairly sure that if you don't have a huddle, you're not allowed to use the radio. Doesn't prevent signals, but no radio.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

That's because the defense we saw yesterday played mostly man coverage with at least one deep safety most of the time and didn't just sit back in the zone while blitzing the ILB's far too often. The secondary has finally gotten used to man coverage and having a safety hover over the top has greatly helped out McCourty and the rest of the CB's. Not to mention, we were getting pressure with a four to five man rush a lot of the game.

Absolutely

Houston has the better offensive line and running game.

 

[Triumph]

Is it just me or does Sanchez look a bust as an NFL QB?

I feel like Im watching a high school QB the way he jumps around and looks jittery and nervous. And, its every game, not just vs NE. Hes in his 3rd year and he still didnt know to let the play clock wind down before calling TO. Calling the TO there was dumb in the first place. He is still completing around 50% of his passes last night. Still locking on to his intended target - Ninko INT.

Again, there were extra NE blitzers on one play at the LOS and Sanchez never looked that way just like the Ravens game when Ed Reed Safety blitzed him. Sanchez never noticed he was there either.

Me thinks the Jets dont want to admit that they screwed up another top 10 pick. The fans certainly dont.

 

[condon84]

Peyton and colts run a offence where the players play every down . same formation and each running some different pattern. To run it you need really good RB ,2 WR and 1 TE a reason the last few yrs he struggles when the quality of them go down. also same goes of OL. we do not build a top heavy team where the top guys are elite to play such. we spend our to build a 53 man team. just a different team building method.

I don't know if it's a good idea to run a no-huddle all the time, I'm sure there are some downsides to it, but what I've noticed is that Brady plays better when we are running a no-huddle. Even our running game excels in a hurry-up offense. To me, our biggest asset is Brady. Why not put him in a position where he is most comfortable?

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

No huddle killed the jets...that branch wide open play was awesome. More no huddle

More Gronk

More Carter/Anderson


I jsut hope Mccoury is okay

 

[Rob0729]

I can't find confirmation of this quickly, but I'm fairly sure that if you don't have a huddle, you're not allowed to use the radio. Doesn't prevent signals, but no radio.

Not true. The Coach to QB communication is allowed on every offensive play. They turn it off based on the play clock, not when they break the huddle or when they line up. I think it is at the 15 second mark of the play clock, they shut it off.

BTW, that is an added benefit of a no huddle. That means it gives the coaches on the sidelines to give Brady any insight on defensive formations because the opposing defense will be in their formation for a bit before the cut off. When a team huddles, the defense might not be lined up prior to the communication cut off.

 

[Rob0729]

Is it just me or does Sanchez look a bust as an NFL QB?

I feel like Im watching a high school QB the way he jumps around and looks jittery and nervous. And, its every game, not just vs NE. Hes in his 3rd year and he still didnt know to let the play clock wind down before calling TO. Calling the TO there was dumb in the first place. He is still completing around 50% of his passes last night. Still locking on to his intended target - Ninko INT.

Again, there were extra NE blitzers on one play at the LOS and Sanchez never looked that way just like the Ravens game when Ed Reed Safety blitzed him. Sanchez never noticed he was there either.

Me thinks the Jets dont want to admit that they screwed up another top 10 pick. The fans certainly dont.

He's not a bust, but he is not anything more than average. He is a game manager. He cannot carry the offense. He can be stellar on a drive or two a game, but they need to reel him in most of the game. He could never do what Brady did last night. Not even close.

 

[RobertWeathers]

More Carter/Anderson

Because they are so thin in the secondary, these guys need to continue to bring the pressure.

The problem is that Anderson is not an edge-setter and get pushed around.

 

[JJDChE]

1.) We have spent the last few weeks focusing on personnel mistakes by Belichick. Time to celebrate the home runs! Andre Carter has been a huge pick up for the Pats. He will be the first double digit sack guy since TBC in 2009 and probably the first one who played like a a double digit sack guy since Vrabel (TBC got half his sacks against a bad Bills team). Brian Waters is also one of the best free agent pick ups this season. Mark Anderson has also been a very good pick up.

For all the crying we hear about the pass rush, Carter is on pace to best all but Tippett in franchise single season sack total. 4th in the NFL.