Is Brady Hurt????

[Paul_Newman]

You got to wonder if the season ends badly for the Patriots, and they miss the playoffs(like I predicted they would) that they should consider entertaining the prospects of trading Brady.

Now, I realize the idea of trading such a legend, much like the 49ers did with Montana, and Packers with Favre would seem like a horrible idea. And obviously it won't sit well with the fan base. But again, take a page out of those two teams book. They eventually were able to overcome the shadows of Montana and Favre to win a super bowl. So it can be done.

Look at the facts. Brady is 34, on the clear decline. To me he has maybe another three years of really good football left, but not great. He's never going to be the '07 Tom Brady again, or the super bowl winning Brady.

There's no way the Patriots are talented enough in that three year window to win another SB. I don't care what they do in the draft, they'd need to do A LOT to even be in the discussion. Even the biggest Patriots homer can admit that much. They need too much. They basically got to re-build, and doing so just wastes time with a guy like Brady anyways. He'll be ready to retire by the time the team is ready to compete.

So do you entertain the notion of trading Brady, stocking up on a ton of picks, and re-build this thing right? Or do you just hang on to a legend, at least stay competitive, but obviously kiss away any chances of another SB.

I think Belichick has the stones to trade him. As we've seen before, he's not afraid to get rid of anyone, and that includes Tommy Boy.

He will not retire a Patriot.

 

[Kontradiction]

You got to wonder if the season ends badly for the Patriots, and they miss the playoffs(like I predicted they would) that they should consider entertaining the prospects of trading Brady.

Now, I realize the idea of trading such a legend, much like the 49ers did with Montana, and Packers with Favre would seem like a horrible idea. And obviously it won't sit well with the fan base. But again, take a page out of those two teams book. They eventually were able to overcome the shadows of Montana and Favre to win a super bowl. So it can be done.

Look at the facts. Brady is 34, on the clear decline. To me he has maybe another three years of really good football left, but not great. He's never going to be the '07 Tom Brady again, or the super bowl winning Brady.

There's no way the Patriots are talented enough in that three year window to win another SB. I don't care what they do in the draft, they'd need to do A LOT to even be in the discussion. Even the biggest Patriots homer can admit that much. They need too much. They basically got to re-build, and doing so just wastes time with a guy like Brady anyways. He'll be ready to retire by the time the team is ready to compete.

So do you entertain the notion of trading Brady, stocking up on a ton of picks, and re-build this thing right? Or do you just hang on to a legend, at least stay competitive, but obviously kiss away any chances of another SB.

I think Belichick has the stones to trade him. As we've seen before, he's not afraid to get rid of anyone, and that includes Tommy Boy.

He will not retire a Patriot.

Brady is still amongst the greatest in the league. Trading him would be a HORRIBLE idea. Build the team up around him (starting with the D and the WR position) then go back to work with #12. There will come a day when it's time to start Mallett. That day isn't coming any time soon.

 

[RIpats88]

our wide receiver options outside of welker is what is hurting us offensively. brady feels like he needs to force it into the middle.

im watching Joe freaking Flacco just throw up lob passes and his WR getting them and its kind of sad that brady doesnt have that option...he has to go short and in the middle and those areas are covered

 

[Paul_Newman]

Brady is still amongst the greatest in the league. Trading him would be a HORRIBLE idea. Build the team up around him (starting with the D and the WR position) then go back to work with #12. There will come a day when it's time to start Mallett. That day isn't coming any time soon.

Common, Mallett is a 10 cent head. Belichick just took a chance on him. The Patriots are more desperate than I thought if they think he's seriously the answer.

The idea of trading someone like Brady is obviously a risk. But if the Pats miss the playoffs(which is definitely possible), you'd be nuts to not at least entertain it behind closed doors.

You'd be doing Brady a favor, along with the organization, by trading him to a contender. I could see a team like the Ravens offering up a ton for example. The Pats probably could net three first rounders, and a few second rounders to really speed up the re-building process.

There are half a dozen teams that would foam at the mouth to have him. If the Patriots are on the obvious decline, what's the point of hanging onto a legend who is just a shell of himself.

Other than to sell tickets and appease the fanbase. As we know, Belichick could care less about public relations. He'd have the stones to do it.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The O-Line is doing a fine job protecting Brady. The reason Brady is taking more hits is because opposing defenses are playing tight man coverage on our receivers, and our receivers (save for Welker) are having a tough time getting open consistently which means that Brady is having to hold the ball longer. Watch the games, if you have them recorded. Most of Brady's sacks since the Jets game have been coverage sacks. It's essentially the exact same as the divisional round last season. Taylor Price or Chad Ochocinco (as unlikely as it is, as it appears that nine weeks in, Chad still can't learn the offense) coming on as legitimate deep threats would greatly help Brady and Welker.

The Giants DL was getting consistent pressure rushing 4 which enables them to play tighter coverages. The JETS game is confusion. The Steelers flumoxed them by switching to playing man when they fully expected zone and blitzing. The Giants won the pass rush battle in the trenches against the Patriots OL. When you can get consistent pressure rushing 4 this offense is cooked because they can't or won't run the ball because they are a pass to run team and they don't have elite enough talent with sufficient speed to burn defenders playing with discipline and focus. Their game is smarts and effort and instincts, and that only works consistently if you're facing less talented or undisciplined teams prone to making mistakes you can capitalize on.

 

[Kontradiction]

Common, Mallett is a 10 cent head.

And you're getting this where, exactly? Mallett is immature, but he's smart. He learned this offense in a matter of weeks and had excellent command of it in the preseason. Let him ride the bench and learn from the greatest of all time while working on his mechanics, and he IS the future.

Belichick just took a chance on him. The Patriots are more desperate than I thought if they think he's seriously the answer.

Belichick took him because he's everything the Patriots look for in a franchise or back-up QB.

The idea of trading someone like Brady is obviously a risk. But if the Pats miss the playoffs(which is definitely possible), you'd be nuts to not at least entertain it behind closed doors.

We're 5-3 and tied for first place BECAUSE of Brady. This defense has sucked for the better part of year and, outside of Welker and the TE's, we don't have much to speak of on offense. Brady has guided us through that and has gotten us to this point. Trading him to a direct competitor would be the worst move of all time.

You'd be doing Brady a favor, along with the organization, by trading him to a contender. I could see a team like the Ravens offering up a ton for example. The Pats probably could net three first rounders, and a few second rounders to really speed up the re-building process.

Brady wants to be here, so I doubt we'd be doing him a favor. On top of that, Belichick has shown the ability to stockpile picks without trading his best player. If he'd just stop getting too fancy with them, the re-building process would be sped up enough as it is.

There are half a dozen teams that would foam at the mouth to have him. If the Patriots are on the obvious decline, what's the point of hanging onto a legend who is just a shelf of himself.

One of the dumbest things I've ever read.

Other than to sell tickets and appease the fanbase. As we know, Belichick could care less about public relations. He'd have the stones to do it.

And if he truly thought that Brady was a "shell of his former" self, he would do it. But, like the rest of us, Belichick has watched Brady guide us into a tie for first place in spite of numerous personnel issues on both sides of the ball. With that in mind, I don't see a trade coming anytime soon.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

The Giants DL was getting consistent pressure rushing 4 which enables them to play tighter coverages. The JETS game is confusion. The Steelers flumoxed them by switching to playing man when they fully expected zone and blitzing. The Giants won the pass rush battle in the trenches against the Patriots OL. When you can get consistent pressure rushing 4 this offense is cooked because they can't or won't run the ball because they are a pass to run team and they don't have elite enough talent with sufficient speed to burn defenders playing with discipline and focus. Their game is smarts and effort and instincts, and that only works consistently if you're facing less talented or undisciplined teams prone to making mistakes you can capitalize on.

Well, Flacco just put 23 points on the Steelers. They were playing man.

Are you saying Baltimore has superior offensive talent sans QB?

 

[Peachhead]

Whether Brady is just going through a slump or is hurt. It's all the more reason for O'Brien to have the team RUN THE FREAKIN BALL more often!

 

[Kontradiction]

Whether Brady is just going through a slump or is hurt. It's all the more reason for O'Brien to have the team RUN THE FREAKIN BALL more often!

Much like Super Bowl XLII, the running game was getting stuffed. The ball had to be put in Brady's hands.

 

[Big-T]

Common, Mallett is a 10 cent head. Belichick just took a chance on him. The Patriots are more desperate than I thought if they think he's seriously the answer.

The idea of trading someone like Brady is obviously a risk. But if the Pats miss the playoffs(which is definitely possible), you'd be nuts to not at least entertain it behind closed doors.

You'd be doing Brady a favor, along with the organization, by trading him to a contender. I could see a team like the Ravens offering up a ton for example. The Pats probably could net three first rounders, and a few second rounders to really speed up the re-building process.

There are half a dozen teams that would foam at the mouth to have him. If the Patriots are on the obvious decline, what's the point of hanging onto a legend who is just a shell of himself.

Other than to sell tickets and appease the fanbase. As we know, Belichick could care less about public relations. He'd have the stones to do it.

If you believe even a sentence of that, you aren't very smart at all.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I don't think he's hurt

I just think his maxi pads got bunched up between his legs and under his armpits.........and his arches are suffering from wearing Uggs

Don't be silly.

We all know it's because of Yoko, I mean Gisele.

 

[CrazyDave]

I'll simply say it: he's washed up. He's not hurt, he's just damaged goods.

His days of being an elite QB are over.

Gee, they sure are coming out of the woodwork these days. Guess that's what happens when you lose 2 in a row. lol

 

[Big-T]

Gee, they sure are coming out of the woodwork these days. Guess that's what happens when you lose 2 in a row. lol

I think it's yet another Jets troll masquerading as Pats fan...there's a few of them around at the minute.

 

[Sciz]

You got to wonder if the season ends badly for the Patriots, and they miss the playoffs(like I predicted they would) that they should consider entertaining the prospects of trading Brady.

Now, I realize the idea of trading such a legend, much like the 49ers did with Montana, and Packers with Favre would seem like a horrible idea. And obviously it won't sit well with the fan base. But again, take a page out of those two teams book. They eventually were able to overcome the shadows of Montana and Favre to win a super bowl. So it can be done.

Look at the facts. Brady is 34, on the clear decline. To me he has maybe another three years of really good football left, but not great. He's never going to be the '07 Tom Brady again, or the super bowl winning Brady.

There's no way the Patriots are talented enough in that three year window to win another SB. I don't care what they do in the draft, they'd need to do A LOT to even be in the discussion. Even the biggest Patriots homer can admit that much. They need too much. They basically got to re-build, and doing so just wastes time with a guy like Brady anyways. He'll be ready to retire by the time the team is ready to compete.

So do you entertain the notion of trading Brady, stocking up on a ton of picks, and re-build this thing right? Or do you just hang on to a legend, at least stay competitive, but obviously kiss away any chances of another SB.

I think Belichick has the stones to trade him. As we've seen before, he's not afraid to get rid of anyone, and that includes Tommy Boy.

He will not retire a Patriot.

Impossible. Good luck trying to take on that cap hit or get another team to take on the rest of his contract.

 

[Paul_Newman]

I did not say the Patriots SHOULD trade him without a doubt. I said they should entertain the notion of trading him. There's a difference! Especially if they miss the playoffs. You'd have to be a complete moron to not do that much.

The Pats have a big decision to make, if things continue to go south. The point isn't whether or not Brady is still good. Of course he is! He's definitely not what he once was, but even a washed up Brady is better than 90% of the league.

Even a washed up Brady is someone most of the league would love to have. Dude, the Pats are on record of being he WORST passing defense in the history of the NFL. There's no "band-aid" that's going to fix that problem. They're not on the cusp of winning a SB anytime soon.

I don't care if this in '07 Brady and the Pats offense, NO ONE can win with that garbage of a defense. Chad Henne looked like Aaron Rodgers on that defense.

Defense is still the anchor of winning championships. The Patriots are years and years away from building that caliber of a defense. We all know that.

It's only asinine to not at least consider trading a player like Brady, if things continue to get worse.

If the Pats DID trade Brady, they could speed up the re-building process, and honestly, they might end up being a contender sooner than if they stick with what they got.

I don't think anyone can look me in the face and say this is a contending football team anytime soon. They need to re-vamp their entire defensive line almost, same goes with their secondary. Haynesworth has been a flop. Wilfork is not getting any younger.

The Patriots problems won't fix itself, and one draft or two drafts aren't going to speed them to the SB anytime soon.

 

[Kontradiction]

Impossible. Good luck trying to take on that cap hit or get another team to take on the rest of his contract.

I'm sure there are plenty of teams out there that would be happy to take on that contract for a player like Brady...

 

[Elijah T.]

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. Especially regarding the running game. The Problem with the running game is the Pats don't use it enough. If you looked at how they are running, they are running extremely well. And they don't use it enough to set up the play-actin. Using it 10 times does do that.

Well, the fact that the Pats dont use the running game enough, would constitute a below average running game would it not? Playcalling is part of the running game.

And while I like BJGE and Ridley, neither are capable of changing the schematics of a defense with their outside speed. Both are pro quality runners but neither will be confused for Adrian Petersen, Ray Rice, or Arian Foster. Otherwise the coaching staff would make the running game more of a priority, wouldn't they?

I would like to see what Vereen could do, but at this point, our running game is average at best.

 

[goheels22002]

We get it, Mo. Brady is god and can do no wrong. When he throws a ball right at a defender, that's just an Elite QB doing Elite QB things, not a terrible decision.

Are you guys nuts? Brady's fine. Give the Giants defense some credit, for Pete's sakes. They made a couple of picks. Their scheme of dropping linebackers into the passing lanes is a good one.

Brady didn't look injured on the last drive to me. I guess the reason for the incompleted pass that hit both of Gronkowski's hands on first down from the 9 yard line was Brady's injury. I guess the ball that hit both of Gronkowski's hands from the 9 yard line on second down but bounced away was due to a Brady injury. I guess that the ball that hit both of Gronkowski's hands for a touchdown with 1:33 to go was a....touchdown.

Why is it that people have to have an excuse for everything?

Some other thread has an argument raging about the refs costing the Patriots the game because of the two pass interference penalties. Both were obvious penalties.

Buck up, guys. Never complain and never explain.

 

[Paul_Newman]

Impossible. Good luck trying to take on that cap hit or get another team to take on the rest of his contract.

Welcome to the NFL, where contracts can be reconstructed. This isn't the NBA.

I realize the chances of Patriots actually trading him at the end of the year is about 10%. But I am 100% certain he will not finish his career in a Patriots uniform.

Brady has said it himself he wants to play another 10 years. I know he was exaggerating a bit, but I think he does feel like he'll play at least another 5. There's no way the Pats will hold onto him that long.

It's going to happen sooner or later, they'll eventually part ways. If it happen to Montana and Favre, which seemed impossible as well at one point, don't think its not going to happen to Tommy.

Hell, even Peyton Manning might be finding a new team soon. This is the NFL, even legend players like those guys aren't kept a happy home forever.

I don't know why fans can't at least have an objective mind about this. That's fine if you don't want to trade him. It would be hard to ever want to trade a legend, and a class act of the NFL as well. Brady has represented himself with nothing but class, and has been the obvious face of this organization.

But eventually you're going to have to look around, and realize that an end of an era have finally come. And maybe its time to move on.

 

[goheels22002]

But if the Pats miss the playoffs(which is definitely possible), you'd be nuts to not at least entertain it behind closed doors.

Why do you keep insisting that the Patriots will miss the playoffs?

They are in first place in their division and control their own destiny with 8 games to play.

Look at the schedule and tell us which of the remaining eight you think they will lose. It's not exactly a murderer's row coming up.

Relax. The worst is over. Everything is just fine.