Is Brady Hurt????

[MoLewisrocks]

how can you blame Ochocinco for that non TD Mo??? brady threw it too high..is Ocho supposed to jump 15feet into the air and get it? that shouldve been an easy TD for brady...ive been hard on Ocho but its rediculous to see him taking heat for his lack of production yesterday.

about 3 of those passes to ochocinco were uncatchable

as much as I love Brady, he was bad yesterday..bad decision making, bad accuracy...hes got 10INT's in 8 games vs. 4 all year yesterday...the good thing is I dont think brady can continue to play this bad..hes just too good

The coverage dictated that Ocho break for the EZ...even Aikman said that was the mistake before we even saw Brady reaming a guy he could barely stand to make eye contact with on the sidelines.

This could get better or worse, but it's largely dependent on whether his reveivers and his OL can get their schit together consistently. He's making tougher throws against better competition in tighter coverage this season. His OL is allowing more pressure (a recurring theme) which is allowing tighter coverage which is flumoxcing the majority of his receivers. And we aren't getting enough yardage on the ground, due in part to uninspired run blocking and in part to the committee system faltering behind one dinged up member of the rotation after another.

 

[Paul_Newman]

I'll simply say it: he's washed up. He's not hurt, he's just damaged goods.

His days of being an elite QB are over.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

His days of being an elite QB are over.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot....

 

[RIpats88]

you cant blame injuries for bad decision making though...when you have welker and ochocinco wide open and you decide to throw to a tightly covered Gronk resulting in an interception..

the brady we all know, the one who can read defenses to a T and make the right throw only came alive late in the game.

like I said, the positive in this is that bad decision making is something that can be fixed.

 

[RIpats88]

The coverage dictated that Ocho break for the EZ...even Aikman said that was the mistake before we even saw Brady reaming a guy he could barely stand to make eye contact with on the sidelines.

This could get better or worse, but it's largely dependent on whether his reveivers and his OL can get their schit together consistently. He's making tougher throws against better competition in tighter coverage this season. His OL is allowing more pressure (a recurring theme) which is allowing tighter coverage which is flumoxcing the majority of his receivers. And we aren't getting enough yardage on the ground, due in part to uninspired run blocking and in part to the committee system faltering behind one dinged up member of the rotation after another.

you are talking about a TOTALLY different play...the play where brady was talking to Ocho afterwards was the one where he threw it to the sideline but Ocho didnt run his route far enough..

the possible TD play Ocho was in the endzone with about 3yards separation from his defender...and Brady wiffed it too high. theres an article on ESPN boston detailing the 5 targets for ocho.

and 2 of them were clearly bad brady throws.

I love brady, but why Defend him for this game?? he clearly played horribly. making bad throws and turning over the ball 3 times.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Take the freaking blinders off. The majority of these INTs aren't being caused by tipped balls at the line. If you throw it 10 yards downfield right at a linebacker who tips it up for an INT, that's on the QB. He's throwing balls right at defenders and making bad decisions. Did you not see the game yesterday, or what?

Yeah, I saw the game, did you? He made one seemingly bad decision on the throw to Gronkowski where he didn't appear to account for the free defender underneath. But apparently you don't grasp what seperates elite QB's from jags in this league, it's the ability and the willingness to make tough throws in tight coverage and make throws in anticipation of the receiver coming out of his break correctly. Although even then it's success is predicated on trusting their receivers to make a tough catch now and then... And with the exception of Welker none of Brady's receiving options have been particularly or consistently focused of late. They aren't making tough catches (although Hernandez got robbed IMO once yesterday) and increasingly they are whiffing on some of the easier ones. When a receiver lets a ball get tipped or picked that hit him in the hands or went right through his mitts or let a defender undercut him...that's on him.

 

[The-Hooded-One]

We get it, Mo. Brady is god and can do no wrong. When he throws a ball right at a defender, that's just an Elite QB doing Elite QB things, not a terrible decision.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Hate to say it, but I think the body of evidence is growing to support this conclusion.

Jack

Do you have some sort of inside info or access to the organization?

I agree. It seems that we are reaching that point.

 

[NY10JETS28]

If we fail the Jets game... Play Brian Hoyer for a few games and boost his stock. Hoyer won't hurt this team, where as a hurt TFB is not helping it.



seriously what would be the problem?? Tom would hate it... the dude is obviously hurt and we can see this by his past performances of late.

You would be one game out of the division with tons of football left, but you would bench Brady and start Hoyer? Thank God you aren't running an NFL team.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I don't see him yukking it up on the sidelines like his LG and LT who seemed to think yesterday was some sort of comedy of errors... He's not getting much diagnostic assistance with Koppen gone, maybe that was part of what Dante was discussing with him and Branch on the sidelines. But he's also not getting a whole lot of consistent execution from his OL chock full of 1st rounders and former pro bowlers and big bodies who supposedly had a lot higher ceiling than their predecessors or his shiny new TE's and WR's not named Welker against tight coverage that the ability to get pressure rushing 4 allows... I know Dante has always had a rep for colorful criticism of his charges techniques in practice. In games all I see is a softspoken guy reminding them to man up and do their jobs and make some plays...when I think many times a couple of them need a kick in their ample asses.

I believe that yes Dante has to work with TB because Koppen's diagnostic line play calling abilities are missing or limited with Dan C. It was an intangible that made Kops the guy, despite his physical shortcomings.

And color me somewhat POed about the lack of intensity and smart play by Mankins post enrichment. Stupid penalties and blown assignments. Haven't seen any network isolation on him for making those really big run springing blocks either but in fairness non-coverage is beyond his control.

What I always liked about TB is that he appears to care about games with the Jets et. al. with the same visceral intensity that we fans care. The others who have a joking nonchalant demeanor during an ass kicking piss me off.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'll simply say it: he's washed up. He's not hurt, he's just damaged goods.

His days of being an elite QB are over.

I see dead people

 

[Elijah T.]

Yes.

Brady is hurt by no deep threat to challenge deep coverage, inconsistent protection, and a below average running game.

Joe Montana circa 1984 would look exactly the same.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Ryan Wendell came in. Not sure if Dan Connelly was benched or just injured.

 

[letekro]

That is patent BS. I saw him slip a couple of near sacks just to be eventually hit hard anyway, in one case almost immediately threafter. He's like a pinata back there more often than not against stout DL's rushing 4 on 5 or 6.

I don't see him yukking it up on the sidelines like his LG and LT who seemed to think yesterday was some sort of comedy of errors... He's not getting much diagnostic assistance with Koppen gone, maybe that was part of what Dante was discussing with him and Branch on the sidelines. But he's also not getting a whole lot of consistent execution from his OL chock full of 1st rounders and former pro bowlers and big bodies who supposedly had a lot higher ceiling than their predecessors or his shiny new TE's and WR's not named Welker against tight coverage that the ability to get pressure rushing 4 allows... I know Dante has always had a rep for colorful criticism of his charges techniques in practice. In games all I see is a softspoken guy reminding them to man up and do their jobs and make some plays...when I think many times a couple of them need a kick in their ample asses.

Perfect protection is not a QB's birthright. This line is far better than the one in Green Bay. I'm not bashing Brady. Just saying pre 2008 he is the best I've ever seen in a collapsing pocket, post 2008, he is mortal.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

A hurt psyche since Bernard Pollard. When there is pressure around him he becomes inaccurate and makes bad decisions. When there is no pressure, he is still the Brady of old, but what made him so great in the SB years was his unflappable manner in the pocket. Those days are gone and I don't know if we'll see them return.

And right now, he is unsettled at all times because even when the line isn't leaking like a siv, Tom is still expecting it to pre-snap.

 

[eagle eye]

Yes.

Brady is hurt by no deep threat to challenge deep coverage, inconsistent protection, and a below average running game.

Joe Montana circa 1984 would look exactly the same.

This, he is throwing the ball into traffic almost all day because there is no deep threat. Until that problem is resolved its not going to change.

Clutch Brady showed up yesterday and put our Patriots in what should have been a winning position but our D is just so bad that we still lost.

 

[JackBauer]

Jack

Do you have some sort of inside info or access to the organization?

I agree. It seems that we are reaching that point.

No. Just concurring with letekro's point that Brady appears to have lost his uncanny ability to withstand pressure that he had in the pre-Pollard era.

 

[The-Hooded-One]

Yes.

Brady is hurt by no deep threat to challenge deep coverage, inconsistent protection, and a below average running game.

Joe Montana circa 1984 would look exactly the same.

Ok, so when Brady has two guys open and decides to force it to a player that has a defender draped on him, what's that?

 

[Dessalines]

Looks like he has a brain disease. I believe it's called "Old Man Favre Syndrome."

Clown post. Why did you bother?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

No. Just concurring with letekro's point that Brady appears to have lost his uncanny ability to withstand pressure that he had in the pre-Pollard era.

I don't see it.

He had pressure problems in that awful Feb game and he had them again today with identical results, despite having ZERO deep threat this time. Waking up from an offensive slumber just in time for a last under 2 minute TD drive.

In my view we ARE seeing Brady have a bit of a slump. Part statistical bad luck with tipped passes getting picked and partly Brady making poorer than typical decisions. I think that the 2nd is making some conclude that inherently he's handling pressure less well. Next Sunday night will add more observational evidence to be considered.