There is no way you could say that Ingram would be a significant upgrade over BJGE. None what so ever. In fact, I think it's safe to say that BJGE is better than Ingram because BJGE doesn't fumble.
In fact, when you look at their combine numbers, they are nearly identical with Green-Ellis actually having a slight edge in the 40, bench-press, vertical, and 20 yard shuttle. The only category that Ingram beat out Green-Ellis in is the 3 cone. By 0.43 seconds.
Sorry, but Ingram does NOT improive the Patriots significantly. That's what you and Triktak fail to comprehend. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ingram does not offer VALUE to the Patriots at 17.
BTW, I didn't say Pouncey was a bad pick. In fact I didn't comment on the Pouncey pick at all. But good job, otherwise..
@Dabruinz
Right, lets deal with your points one by one.
1. You theorise that because BJGE does better than Ingram at the combine, that he must be a better back than Ingram. OK, that's an interesting theory, a dumb one, but interesting all the same.Green-Ellis is a plodder, a fine one who I enjoyed watching last year, but I doubt he's made a defender miss in his life. I happen to think Ingram will be a more productive back in the NFL. It's a personal opinion, obviously one you don't share.
2. As for the Carolina Panthers. Sheesh! Are we still going around this circle. I made a statement that I believed the mock would improve the Pats and the response was that any mock would by definition improve the team. Well I suppose, if one wants to be pedantic, but we are talking relative here. Yes adding seven JAGS would in theory improve the Pats, but my point was that adding Ingram and Pouncey would be the type of improvement that could see them getting past the Jets for example.
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McCourty provided the best VALUE for the Patriots in the mind of Belichick. That value is not based solely on need. Nor is it based on best player available. It's based on a combination. And it's the combination that BB uses to make his decision. He has said so.
Err yes. That's what I said. BB made the determination that McCourty was the best player available at that time, fulfilling whatever criteria BB sets.
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And you clearly didn't read BOX's argument well because Box never said that BB puts more emphasis on measurables than on actual performance and intangibles.
Yes he did. He said Pouncey wouldn't have a first round grade for BB because his measurables weren't up to scratch. I appreciated his argument and thanked him for educating me on something I wasn't aware of. Having said that, BOR was basing his assumption on a relatively small sample size. He might be right, but unless he's BB's right hand man, he cannot know for sure. And yes, I did speak about Pouncey's intangibles, I referred to the fact that he shared the upbringing and coaching that his brother had. His brother made an excellent transition from college to the NFL and I'm surmising that that might be an indicator that Mike Pouncey could make a similar transition. If you disagree, fine, we are all entitled to our opinions - a fact you may want to remember. And, mea culpa, you are right - I should have, and meant to, refer to Pouncey as the best Guard not O/Lineman.
All I did was say that I liked the first round of this mock. I think if we come out of the draft with Ingram and Pouncey, that will be a good thing. I really can't see why that is so controversial to be honest. I never said it was my preferred choice, I never said that it was the best available option - I just took the time to offer some support to someone who took the time to publish a mock on here. If you have a problem with that, well there's nothing I can do about that.
If you want to engage civilly, then I'd be happy too, but if you want to rubbish my arguments by either falsely representing them as you did, or making ridiculous arguments of your own, then I don't think we've got much else to say to each other.
**Edit**
I didn't realise that in my initial post in this thread that I had quoted you. I used that quote just as an example of the criticisms the mock was getting, I wasn't targeting you particularly (although I don't think I was being critical of any point you made.
Anyway, completely unintentionally, I seemed to have annoyed two regulars of this forum. That was never my intention, I only wanted to talk the Patriots and the draft, an opportunity I don't get elsewhere.
I hope you all enjoy the draft, I think it's going to be a fascinating night. Hopefully we won't get Pouncey or Ingram but the best pass rusher in a generation.
