Pats dump Defensive Assistant / Safety Coach Corwin Brown

[Shelterdog]

Re: Pats dump DB Coach Corwin Brown

Rodney did quite well "trying stuff to see if it works".

Bruschi and Asante also both did to some extent.

I get the impression that a little freelancing isn't a problem if it more or less works, or at the very least if the coaches trust your judgment and reasoning.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Bruschi and Asante also both did to some extent.

I get the impression that a little freelancing isn't a problem if it more or less works, or at the very least if the coaches trust your judgment and reasoning.

That's the key. It's something Branch pointed out in a post-game interview when he was talking about the play that he broke off and went deep.

My guess is that the problem with Meriweather freelancing is some combination of him not succeeding in his freelance and/or the other players in the secondary not being experienced enough to adjust to what Meriweather is doing.

 

[RayClay]

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Rodney did quite well "trying stuff to see if it works".

I reject that and the Bruschi one too. Those guys knew the system and the assignments backwards and forwards. They were hardly "trying stuff to see if it works". having the bases covered and anticipating what is going to happen, breaking out and making a play, you better have made the right decision.

did you ever see those guys caught out of position?

Big difference between a calculated risk where you're always right and "trying stuff".

Just imagine Rodney or Bruschi being benched for a regular season game while healthy.

 

[Shelterdog]

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That's the key. It's something Branch pointed out in a post-game interview when he was talking about the play that he broke off and went deep.

My guess is that the problem with Meriweather freelancing is some combination of him not succeeding in his freelance and/or the other players in the secondary not being experienced enough to adjust to what Meriweather is doing.

Probably something like that. Or perhaps he was doing it at stupid times (for example, he seemd to like going for picks or knockout helmet to helmet hits when the guy gets 8 yards on 3 and 12).

 

[RayClay]

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Oh, I was thinking Pro Bowl defensive backs wouldn't bother picking the brain of a stupid player, but maybe I overestimate the intelligence of NFL players generally.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the guy who was supposed to be the leader of the secondary, but instead had to be benched while healthy, leaving all rookies and second year players back there.

We must be talking about two different people.

 

[Deus Irae]

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I reject that and the Bruschi one too. Those guys knew the system and the assignments backwards and forwards. They were hardly "trying stuff to see if it works". having the bases covered and anticipating what is going to happen, breaking out and making a play, you better have made the right decision.

did you ever see those guys caught out of position?

Big difference between a calculated risk where you're always right and "trying stuff".

Reject it all you want. "Calculated risk" and "trying stuff" are the same thing.

And, yes, we did see guys like Harrison and Bruschi get caught out of position. Your memory is making the past appear a lot cleaner than it actually was.

 

[Shelterdog]

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Reject it all you want. "Calculated risk" and "trying stuff" are the same thing.

Especially because "Big Bang Clock" Merriweather isn't exactly a wordsmith.

 

[RayClay]

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Reject it all you want. "Calculated risk" and "trying stuff" are the same thing.

And, yes, we did see guys like Harrison and Bruschi get caught out of position. Your memory is making the past appear a lot cleaner than it actually was.

No they aren't. That's why Meriweather was benched. I imagine most of the time the veteran Pats appeared to be gambling it was actually working in concert to cover if the gamble didn't work.

Go ahead and believe the vets were just trying stuff for the hell of it and getting lucky, while Meriweather did the same thing and got benched.

You can't control what people believe.

 

[Deus Irae]

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It should be noted that we recently had a cornerback who did a hell of a lot of free lancing, often by dropping off coverage to go for a pick. When it worked, we loved it. When it failed, we cursed his name.

 

[JackBauer]

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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the guy who was supposed to be the leader of the secondary, but instead had to be benched while healthy, leaving all rookies and second year players back there.

We must be talking about two different people.

Who said that BMW was the leader of the secondary?

 

[Deus Irae]

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No they aren't. That's why Meriweather was benched. I imagine most of the time the veteran Pats appeared to be gambling it was actually working in concert to cover if the gamble didn't work.

Go ahead and believe the vets were just trying stuff for the hell of it and getting lucky, while Meriweather did the same thing and got benched.

You can't control what people believe.

I know. I've been trying to set you straight on multiple topics for years. BTW, could you please link to the quote where Meriweather or BB stated that Meriweather was benched during the season for trying stuff "for the hell of it"?

 

[RayClay]

Re: Pats dump Defensive Asst/Safety Coach Corwin Brown

I'm sure BB wants an undisciplined veteran (MW) and a bunch of rookies and second year players "trying stuff".

Just the same as veterans like Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Rodney Harrison, Otis Smith working plays, backing each other and taking calculated (based on their experience) risks and making plays.

No difference. Believe it if it makes you feel better.

 

[Deus Irae]

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I'm sure BB wants an undisciplined veteran (MW) and a bunch of rookies and second year players "trying stuff".

Just the same as veterans like Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Rodney Harrison, Otis Smith working plays, backing each other and taking calculated (based on their experience) risks and making plays.

No difference. Believe it if it makes you feel better.

Hmmm.....

That's the key. It's something Branch pointed out in a post-game interview when he was talking about the play that he broke off and went deep.

My guess is that the problem with Meriweather freelancing is some combination of him not succeeding in his freelance and/or the other players in the secondary not being experienced enough to adjust to what Meriweather is doing.

So, basically, the problem is that you aren't bothering to read what people are actually posting.

 

[RayClay]

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I know. I've been trying to set you straight on multiple topics for years. BTW, could you please link to the quote where Meriweather or BB stated that Meriweather was benched during the season for trying stuff "for the hell of it"?

Why Patriots S Brandon Meriweather hasn’t been starting

In the opener, Brandon Meriweather earned the start, but only because the team started in its nickel scheme. Yesterday afternoon against the Jets, it was James Sanders and Patrick Chung who started at safety.

But this is a Pro Bowl safety, right? What gives?

BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Why Patriots S Brandon Meriweather hasn’t been starting…

“How aggressive do you want to be?” he asked. “How much do you want to try to push the envelope on that? Again, it’s a coaching, scheme thing. It’s also individual player decision making on each play. It’s complicated. It gets into matchups. If a guy is covering one guy, you play it one way. You’re covering somebody else; you might play it a little bit differently. That changes within the game, where people move and so forth. Part of being a football player is being a football player and making those kind of decisions. That’s what instinctive, good players do. They make the right one.”

“I haven’t been myself in practice,” Meriweather admitted. “Coaches wanted to show me that just because I wasn’t, that I still have to come and play. Basically, it’s all my fault that I’m not on the field as much.

“I was trying a lot of things in camp, to see if they’d work,” he said. “They wasn’t. Instead of me stopping trying them and doing what I was coached, I kept trying.”

BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive How has Brandon Meriweather’s freelancing affected his playing time?

 

[Deus Irae]

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Why Patriots S Brandon Meriweather hasn’t been starting



BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Why Patriots S Brandon Meriweather hasn’t been starting…




BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive How has Brandon Meriweather’s freelancing affected his playing time?

Nothing there says he was doing it "for the hell of it".

 

[RayClay]

Re: Pats dump Defensive Asst/Safety Coach Corwin Brown

Hmmm.....




So, basically, the problem is that you aren't bothering to read what people are actually posting.

So it's the fault of free agents, rookies and 2nd year players that they can't guess what part of the field freewheeling Brandon will leave exposed at a whim?

Sounds logical to me.

 

[Deus Irae]

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So it's the fault of free agents, rookies and 2nd year players that they can't guess what part of the field freewheeling Brandon will leave exposed at a whim?

Sounds logical to me.

AGAIN, what I'd posted:

My guess is that the problem with Meriweather freelancing is some combination of him not succeeding in his freelance and/or the other players in the secondary not being experienced enough to adjust to what Meriweather is doing.

Your own words:

Just the same as veterans like Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Rodney Harrison, Otis Smith working plays, backing each other and taking calculated (based on their experience) risks and making plays.

You're now arguing against yourself. We're beginning to head down the paths you used to take when you made the worst of your linebacker arguments.

 

[RayClay]

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Nothing there says he was doing it "for the hell of it".

Ha ha. I knew you'd say that. lol. How about

“I was trying a lot of things in camp, to see if they’d work,” he said. “They wasn’t.

Instead of me stopping trying them and doing what I was coached, I kept trying.

So he was trying stuff, it wasn't working, and he wasn't doing what the coaches wanted.

??


Sounds like doing it for the hell of it, or demonic possession.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Ha ha. I knew you'd say that. lol. How about



So he was trying stuff, it wasn't working, and he wasn't doing what the coaches wanted.

??


Sounds like doing it for the hell of it, or demonic possession.

No, Ray, he was trying things to see if they'd work. That's what freelancing is in the first place. "For the hell of it" just means that he had no reason behind his actions. The interviews/reports don't get into that.

 

[RayClay]

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My guess is that the problem with Meriweather freelancing is some combination of him not succeeding in his freelance and/or the other players in the secondary not being experienced enough to adjust to what Meriweather is doing.

You're equating Kyle Arrington, Chung, McCourtney and Butler with Law, Milloy, Harrison and O.T.I.S. experience wise? Please stop, you're killing me.

You're now arguing against yourself. We're beginning to head down the paths you used to take when you made the worst of your linebacker arguments.

Were those the argument where everyone said the Patriots can never find the type of linebackers they need in the draft, they have to wait to pick up converted DEs from other teams?