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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Anything is possible, but I'm not looking at Dareus as pure 3-4 or 4-3, he's just a good DL and they tend to get drafted quickly.With Fox installing a 4-3 in Denver, you would think they are off the board for Dareus now, and moving toward Bowers or Fairley.
Shermur is probably going to install a 4-3 in Cleveland.
So if Dareus slides by Dallas, who needs big time O Line and secondary help, could he fall to us?
I'm kind of liking Jarvis Jenkins right now as a guy who we could get who fills the bill. Perfect size at 6'4", 315 (according to NFL Draft Countdown anyway) who seems to have the skillset to be just what we need. Additionally he is a Senior who played for 4 years in college which is always a plus for Belichick. I'm not sure where he's projected but he never shows up on 1st round mocks, I think we could get him with Carolina's #2 if he continues to fly under the radar a bit.
Right now the two picks I am looking at are :
1b - Stefen Wisniewski
2a - Jarvis Jenkins
I don't have names for the other picks yet.
That's generally about where he's being listed, I'm not sure if we could get Jenkins at 2b or Wilkerson at 2a but I'd be very happy with either one. Although Jenkins is an inch shorter than preferred his size is close enough to what we want.Bobby Esch (huddle) would certainly have both available when you want them. He has Jenkins as 70th on his value board, the #10 DT. It does seem likely that a reasonable DL and OG will be available at 1b or 2a.
Why are you not high on Ballard?Others with ballpark measurables whom I'm not high on:
Cameron Heyward
Cameron Jordan
Allen Bailey
Adrian Clayborn
Christian Ballard
Excluding Top 10 projections:
-- Muhammed Wilkerson
-- Jarvis Jenkins
-- Maybe Cory Liuget
-- J.J. Watt would be more of a project, but he would also be a tremendous athlete whom BB could use in unique ways while he's getting stronger and working on technique.
-- Stephen Paea is more of a NT who could play DE.
-- Phil Taylor has the measurables, but he plays too tall and has some bad habits to correct.
Others with ballpark measurables whom I'm not high on:
Cameron Heyward
Cameron Jordan
Allen Bailey
Adrian Clayborn
Christian Ballard
Excluding Top 10 projections:
-- Muhammed Wilkerson
-- Jarvis Jenkins
-- Maybe Cory Liuget
-- J.J. Watt would be more of a project, but he would also be a tremendous athlete whom BB could use in unique ways while he's getting stronger and working on technique.
-- Stephen Paea is more of a NT who could play DE.
-- Phil Taylor has the measurables, but he plays too tall and has some bad habits to correct.
Others with ballpark measurables whom I'm not high on:
Cameron Heyward
Cameron Jordan
Allen Bailey
Adrian Clayborn
Christian Ballard
After watching a lot of highlight tape on the players available to us at this position.....Muhammad Wilkerson impressed me the most.
He looked very quick for a man that big, and appeared to have the best nose for the ball out of all of them so far. JJ Watts was second IMO. He doesn't seem to anchor as well, but seems more disruptive in the backfield and a little quicker passrusher.
Either of these guys would make me happy...Wilkerson would probably be there at our 2nd pick in the first round...possibly even at #33 which would allow them to grab Ryan Kerrigan or Aldon Smith at #17
Your thoughts on Wilkerson mirror mine. I am completely befuddled on where a pass rusher will come from as most of the OLBs have various holes in their games. If they get a CBA done prior to the draft then I'd rely strictly on getting a Free Agent for that spot. One LB that I want in a Patriots uniform, regardless of need, is ILB Kelvin Sheppard from LSU. I've watched this guy perform at a high level and with all of the intangibles that a coach could want. He's about 5-10lbs. lighter than we'd like but he can find that under his playbook.
I may be wrong on some of this but :Hmm.. I'm becoming more and more convinced that DE is the way to go at 17 - but only if it's someone who can improve our pass rush. With that in mind, the list seems pretty short -
Fairley and Dareus are probably out of reach (though IMO Dareus is overrated).
Cameron Jordan is the 1 guy who I'm sold on at the moment.
Clayborn may be worthwhile depending on how he measures out and tests at the combine.
Wilkerson, Watt, and Liuget are possibilities, but I'm not sure about either one yet.
That's about it for my DE list. Everyone else doesn't appear to be an upgrade over Brace, Ty Warren, Pryor, Love, or Deaderick (assuming he learns from his suspension.)
After watching a lot of highlight tape on the players available to us at this position.....Muhammad Wilkerson impressed me the most.
He looked very quick for a man that big, and appeared to have the best nose for the ball out of all of them so far. JJ Watts was second IMO. He doesn't seem to anchor as well, but seems more disruptive in the backfield and a little quicker passrusher.
Either of these guys would make me happy...Wilkerson would probably be there at our 2nd pick in the first round...possibly even at #33 which would allow them to grab Ryan Kerrigan or Aldon Smith at #17
The name that leaps out at me watching clips of Wilkerson is Ty Warren. It's very, very easy to picture him in a Patriots uniform.
Watts impresses me too, but he's harder to project. I don't think this team has ever lined up anybody similar to him...in fact, I'm having trouble coming up with comparisons for him in general. A lanky 6'6" 292 college DE whose game seems to be more agility and agression than classic speed or power...anybody come to mind?
The name that leaps out at me watching clips of Wilkerson is Ty Warren. It's very, very easy to picture him in a Patriots uniform.
Watts impresses me too, but he's harder to project. I don't think this team has ever lined up anybody similar to him...in fact, I'm having trouble coming up with comparisons for him in general. A lanky 6'6" 292 college DE whose game seems to be more agility and agression than classic speed or power...anybody come to mind?
Maybe a better question than who is a pass rusher is "who can rush the passer"? Who shows the best aptitiude for getting pressure if BB dials up blitzes?
Likewise, on the ends, do you see any guys that could be a Jarvis Green type? He was drafted in the 5th round. If we don't get Wright and Pryor back.....
How about looking at a grouping that looks to work best together and with our existing core players?