The Worst Defense in the History of the World...

[glm]

It's probably been said already, but the Pats lead the league in picks and are second in TOs.

 

[ATippett56]

Yeah, that is part of my argument and they forced 2 yesterday. Thats forcing turnovers. You cannot really try and say that yesterdays game meant anything, the Dolphins were uninspired from the second they stepped off the plane and played their 3rd string quarterback. The Patriots did what they had to do, and did it exceptionally well, but you really cant use it for anything or use in in an argument.

Enough with the frickin' excuses! What's the excuse for the Buffalo Bills offense the week prior to the Miami Dolphins game?

 

[Keyser Söze]

I think this upcoming game could be a trap game, Pats need to be careful..!

 

[The Dynasty]

Enough with the frickin' excuses! What's the excuse for the Buffalo Bills offense the week prior to the Miami Dolphins game?

They finished the year 25th in total offense and 28th in points per game. Look, the Patriots defense has performed very well this season especially at the end. But, if you are going to look at the last 2 performances and expect it in the playoffs you're dreaming.

Playoff teams offense rank (total offense/ppg)
Patriots-8/1
Steelers-14/12
Colts-4/4
Chiefs-12/14
Ravens-22/16
Jets-11/13

Patriots will be competing with much better offenses than they have the best 2 weeks of the season. Playoffs are a whole new season too. No guarantee the turnovers will continue. Do you really think the Patriots will ever get 6 turnovers in a playoff game?

 

[ATippett56]

They finished the year 25th in total offense and 28th in points per game. Look, the Patriots defense has performed very well this season especially at the end. But, if you are going to look at the last 2 performances and expect it in the playoffs you're dreaming.

Playoff teams offense rank (total offense/ppg)
Patriots-8/1
Steelers-14/12
Colts-4/4
Chiefs-12/14
Ravens-22/16
Jets-11/13

Patriots will be competing with much better offenses than they have the best 2 weeks of the season. Playoffs are a whole new season too. No guarantee the turnovers will continue. Do you really think the Patriots will ever get 6 turnovers in a playoff game?

The New England Patriots already beat the Colts, Jets, Ravens, and Steelers in the regular season. Been there, done that.

 

[Kontradiction]

This defense has rounded together nicely in the last few games of the season here. I don't care what offenses they were going against. Miles ahead of last year's "5th ranked defense" if you ask me. It's scary to think that the Pats have six picks in the first three rounds and most of them could be used on the front seven.

 

[Ring 6]

They finished the year 25th in total offense and 28th in points per game. Look, the Patriots defense has performed very well this season especially at the end. But, if you are going to look at the last 2 performances and expect it in the playoffs you're dreaming.

Playoff teams offense rank (total offense/ppg)
Patriots-8/1
Steelers-14/12
Colts-4/4
Chiefs-12/14
Ravens-22/16
Jets-11/13

Patriots will be competing with much better offenses than they have the best 2 weeks of the season. Playoffs are a whole new season too. No guarantee the turnovers will continue. Do you really think the Patriots will ever get 6 turnovers in a playoff game?

The Patriots have forced at least one turnover in every playoff game of the BB era except for the Snow Bowl.
That is 17 consecutive playoff games. They have forced 42 in those 17 games. That is just about 2.5 per game, and is MORE than this years team has forced per game.
The idea that turnovers are harder to come by in the playoffs exists only in your imagination.

 

[The Dynasty]

The New England Patriots already beat the Colts, Jets, Ravens, and Steelers in the regular season. Been there, done that.

The New England Patriots beat the New York Giants in the regular season of 2007. I thought fans realized then what happens in the regular season means nothing...i guess not

 

[Ring 6]

The New England Patriots beat the New York Giants in the regular season of 2007. I thought fans realized then what happens in the regular season means nothing...i guess not

Then why would anything you consider negative that happened in the regular season mean anything?

 

[The Dynasty]

The Patriots have forced at least one turnover in every playoff game of the BB era except for the Snow Bowl.
That is 17 consecutive playoff games. They have forced 42 in those 17 games. That is just about 2.5 per game, and is MORE than this years team has forced per game.
The idea that turnovers are harder to come by in the playoffs exists only in your imagination.

Not a guarantee with such a young team and lack of playoff experience.

Previous Belichick teams were never as young as this team.

But, I know what ever happens in the regular season automatically will carry over in the playoffs so I guess I have no argument

 

[Joker]

The New England Patriots beat the New York Giants in the regular season of 2007. I thought fans realized then what happens in the regular season means nothing...i guess not

everyone will realize YOU are a Rat troll when the Foot Sniffers take a swift kick in the arse this weekend in Indy...fans of the only 14-2 team this season LAUGH IN YOUR FACE, Diner-sty...now run along and play in traffic or explore electrical sockets with your tongue...moron

 

[The Dynasty]

Then why would anything you consider negative that happened in the regular season mean anything?

I have never said that the faults of the defense would carry over to the playoffs, I have just said that its hard to depend on all of the turnovers with such a young defense.

You and others are the one pretty much guaranteeing me that the Patriots will continue to cause turnovers in the playoffs because they did in the regular season.

 

[The Dynasty]

everyone will realize YOU are a Rat troll when the Foot Sniffers take a swift kick in the arse this weekend in Indy...fans of the only 14-2 team this season LAUGH IN YOUR FACE, Diner-sty...now run along and play in traffic or explore electrical sockets with your tongue...moron

Alright, I'll let you know how that goes. Do you have anything football related to add?

 

[Ring 6]

Not a guarantee with such a young team and lack of playoff experience.

Previous Belichick teams were never as young as this team.

But, I know what ever happens in the regular season automatically will carry over in the playoffs so I guess I have no argument

Well, your argument cant be that the opposite of what happens in the regular season is most likely to happen in the playoffs.
It is just getting maddening.
You make stuff up and call it fact.
When flat out refuted you:
1) Dismiss any good game by saying the other team didnt show up
2) Dismiss any good play by saying the players are young, so it doesnt count
3) Say that it was the regular season so it doesnt count

Why are you even having a discussion? You have no intergrity of accuracy in what you say and ignore any facts brought to the discussion with ridiculous qualifiers.

As for the point here. None of those teams forced as many turnovers.
Players that force turnovers and are young are more likely to force turnovers than players who do not force turnovers and are older.

 

[ausbacker]

They finished the year 25th in total offense and 28th in points per game. Look, the Patriots defense has performed very well this season especially at the end. But, if you are going to look at the last 2 performances and expect it in the playoffs you're dreaming.

Playoff teams offense rank (total offense/ppg)
Patriots-8/1
Steelers-14/12
Colts-4/4
Chiefs-12/14
Ravens-22/16
Jets-11/13

Patriots will be competing with much better offenses than they have the best 2 weeks of the season. Playoffs are a whole new season too. No guarantee the turnovers will continue. Do you really think the Patriots will ever get 6 turnovers in a playoff game?

6 no but since BB had been in charge of the Patriots they have recorded the following amount of turnovers against playoff opponents;

5 (1) - Colts 2003
4 (4) - Steelers 2001, Steelers 2004, Eagles 2004, Chargers 2006
3 (2) - Rams 2001, Colts 2004
2 (5) - Jaguars 2005, Jets 2006, Jaguars 2007, Chargers 2007, Ravens 2009
1 (4) - Titans 2003, Panthers 2003, Broncos 2005, Giants 2007
0 (0) - Raiders 2001

Forgive me for having faith that BB coached teams can force turnovers in the playoffs given only 1 side has played turnover free football against the Patriots in 18 attempts.

More specifically the Patriots are at 94% probability of creating a turnover in the playoffs based on historical data and the coaching of Bill Belichick.

Patriots + Post-season = creation of turnovers. 2010 Patriots = creation of turnovers.

Another day another smashing of The Dynasty.

 

[Ring 6]

I have never said that the faults of the defense would carry over to the playoffs, I have just said that its hard to depend on all of the turnovers with such a young defense.

You and others are the one pretty much guaranteeing me that the Patriots will continue to cause turnovers in the playoffs because they did in the regular season.

Are you f-ing around or are you really that ignorant?

When has anyone said anything is guaranteed?
This team is good at forcing turnovers.
You say the can't do it in the playoffs, because you made up a fact that turnovers are less likely in the playoffs.
I say that is bs because turnovers do not go down in the playoffs.

I'd have to say that the best takeaway team in the BB has a decent chance of getting some takeaways in the playoffs when the last 17 BB playoff games have forced 42 turnovers and at least 1 in every game.

I guess you think they will go from leading the league to zero because they will be pissing their pants because they are young and afraid to play.

 

[The Dynasty]

Well, your argument cant be that the opposite of what happens in the regular season is most likely to happen in the playoffs.
It is just getting maddening.
You make stuff up and call it fact.
When flat out refuted you:
1) Dismiss any good game by saying the other team didnt show up
2) Dismiss any good play by saying the players are young, so it doesnt count
3) Say that it was the regular season so it doesnt count

Why are you even having a discussion? You have no intergrity of accuracy in what you say and ignore any facts brought to the discussion with ridiculous qualifiers.

As for the point here. None of those teams forced as many turnovers.
Players that force turnovers and are young are more likely to force turnovers than players who do not force turnovers and are older.

I have never said that because a young player makes an INT or forces a turnover that it doesnt count. Where did I say that? There you go once again putting words in my mouth.

The regular season is over, every team is now 0-0. What happened in the regular season means nothing. Record, stats, etc.

There are other ways to win than by just forcing turnovers, I dont think you realize that. The previous Super Bowl Patriots teams did it other ways. How can you depend on a defense to cause turnovers with as many rookies/2nd year players as they play? The playoffs are different than the regular season, the intensity and pressure definitely will be much higher than any game this season that the Patriots have played in. It will be interesting to see how the young defense responds

 

[Ring 6]

I have never said that the faults of the defense would carry over to the playoffs, I have just said that its hard to depend on all of the turnovers with such a young defense.

You and others are the one pretty much guaranteeing me that the Patriots will continue to cause turnovers in the playoffs because they did in the regular season.

You also are making up the phenomena that a young defense will not play as well in the post-season as it did in the regular season. You have no facts at all to back that up.

 

[ausbacker]

I have never said that because a young player makes an INT or forces a turnover that it doesnt count. Where did I say that? There you go once again putting words in my mouth.

The regular season is over, every team is now 0-0. What happened in the regular season means nothing. Record, stats, etc.

There are other ways to win than by just forcing turnovers, I dont think you realize that. The previous Super Bowl Patriots teams did it other ways. How can you depend on a defense to cause turnovers with as many rookies/2nd year players as they play? The playoffs are different than the regular season, the intensity and pressure definitely will be much higher than any game this season that the Patriots have played in. It will be interesting to see how the young defense responds

The 2004 Patriots team starting a similar amount of rookie or 2nd year players sprinkled in with more veterans created 11 turnovers in 3 playoff games. I'd say that's a pretty similar style to the team of today.

 

[The Dynasty]

You also are making up the phenomena that a young defense will not play as well in the post-season as it did in the regular season. You have no facts at all to back that up.

Do you have facts to back up your argument? No, because there has never been a playoff defense this young