Do you realize we are looking at a minimum of a 12-4 team?

[Dutchmaster617]

Without Moss, the offense is worse than I thought it'd be, but the defense is progressing better than I thought it would too.

This, I think our major concern is our offense, looking like one of the worst the last two weeks, but if this doesn't continue we are good to go.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

The offense scored 23 points and 23 points

How exactly is that a "worse" offense?

The pre-season 6-10 to 9-7 Debbie Downers need to come to grip with the reality you were wrong. Ditto for the "Our Defense is Terrible" whiners.

Quit listening to the mediots. They know far less than many of the posters here.

The Mayock segment on the left side of the oline is classic.

Mayock missed the fact that football is 60 minutes. Had he realized this he would have noted two dominating second half drives that really were the key to the game and caused the onside kick with over 7 minutes left.

Mayock seems to think football is a 15 or 30 minute game. Or he has never heard of adjustments.

Likewise, the Miami game Cameron Wake saga is in the same vein. All the talk about early game pressure, zero on that he got runover after we made adjustments.

 

[JackBauer]

This, I think our major concern is our offense, looking like one of the worst the last two weeks, but if this doesn't continue we are good to go.

Just a hunch, but playing two of the best defenses in the NFL can do that to a team.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Just a hunch, but playing two of the best defenses in the NFL can do that to a team.

Jack

This is patsfans.com.

The concept that the opposing team can ever make plays isn't possible here despite the fact that 90 years of NFL history shows players on both teams tend to make plays during a game.

 

[neuronet]

If Belichick read this he would say the minimum record we could have is 5-11.

Right on, bro. Right on.

Green Bay, Miami, Browns, even Detroit. Every week there is an upset waiting to happen. Remember 2007, what team came closest to beating us? The team with the second-worst record in the NFL.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

Just a hunch, but playing two of the best defenses in the NFL can do that to a team.

Sure only the Chargers are not Steelers or Jets.

As far as points scored, one was in almost 5 quarters, the other game we had 4 takeaways and managed like 10 points on 40 yards.

I'm not saying I am not happy, I am saying this doesn't look good enough for the second half, adjustments need to be made from blocking to catching etc.

 

[patsfan13]

I predicted 17-2 and a SB before the season started. I felt the O would be very strong and flexable and would win shootouts early with the young D struggling while it gets up to speed. I felt that by the end of the year the D would be a very good unit.

I will stick by that prediction. The most dangetous games (we could lose any game this is the NFL) are clearly the Steeler game and the Jets game. The O we have post Moss is designed to offset blitzing teams with the 2TE base and a variety of good route runners.

THe D is developing more quickly than I thought it would and Hernandez/Gronk have exceeded expectations.

 

[QB12]

Well said, and I made the same prediction before the season started.

 

[Calciumee]

Just a hunch, but playing two of the best defenses in the NFL can do that to a team.

But other teams cannot match our O unless our O suck

 

[TruthSeeker]

So, you're saying they go 5-5 rest of season? Incredible.

I'm saying that's quite possible. Pittsburgh and Indy could be losses, we certainly didn't play well against the Jets, and could lose again. That's 3 possible, reasonable losses. Cleveland just beat New Orleans, whom I think at this point, is a better team than us, so that's a game that can be hard fought. We barely just beat a 2-4 team (San Diego), barely beat Buffalo too. Green Bay, Chicago & Miami are no pushovers either. We always seem to lose one game a year to Miami. So yeah, 5-5 the rest of the season wouldn't shock me. Hoping it's 7-3 or 8-2.

 

[Its_The_Patriots]

This Patriots team can win the remainder of the games on their schedule if they keep improving and play solid football for 60 mins, but I will take it one game at a time.

 

[shmessy]

This, I think our major concern is our offense, looking like one of the worst the last two weeks, but if this doesn't continue we are good to go.

They changed the signals and calls during the bye week because of Moss' info to the Vikes coaching staff.

Therefore, several wrong routes and delays of game penalties.

The other side, you should remember those 2 games were against the #1 ranked Defense in the NFL and the Freaking Baltimore Ravens.

It takes time to learn new signals and calls. It's like 3 weeks on Rosetta Stone.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Sure only the Chargers are not Steelers or Jets.

That's right. The Chargers are ranked #1 in the NFL in both offense and defense. The Jets and Steelers are looking up to them.

 

[mgcolby]

They had a stat last night on Total Access that was eye opening. So far this season when a QB has 300+ yards in a game those teams are 13-23. When a team has a 100 yard rusher they are 32-14 (or something like that, it may been 13)

 

[jmt57]

They had a stat last night on Total Access that was eye opening. So far this season when a QB has 300+ yards in a game those teams are 13-23. When a team has a 100 yard rusher they are 32-14 (or something like that, it may been 13)

In a way that's not really all that surprising. If a team is losing they are going to throw more often, and that results in more passing yards for the quarterback. If a team is winning then they are going to run more often, and that results in more rushing yards for the running back.

It's all due to the way the game clock is stopped or not stopped depending on what the previous play (completed pass or run) was. If the rules were that the game clock stopped (or kept going) regardless of what the previous type of play was, you wouldn't see this disparity. Similarly if football was like baseball, where instead of 60 minutes of play each team had nine possessions, the decisions on whether to pass or run in the second half would change dramatically.

 

[SanAngeloState]

12-4? Well, I'm kind of spoiled, I had picked them for 13-3 or 12-4 at least...

To me, anything other than a SB win is not a good year. Brady is getting older by the day, he needs to win at least 3 more SBs for me to be truly happy. Then I will lord it over all the other lesser teams for the rest of my life. It's my due as I am a long suffering patriots fan from the mid 1970s.

 

[mgcolby]

In a way that's not really all that surprising. If a team is losing they are going to throw more often, and that results in more passing yards for the quarterback. If a team is winning then they are going to run more often, and that results in more rushing yards for the running back.

It's all due to the way the game clock is stopped or not stopped depending on what the previous play (completed pass or run) was. If the rules were that the game clock stopped (or kept going) regardless of what the previous type of play was, you wouldn't see this disparity. Similarly if football was like baseball, where instead of 60 minutes of play each team had nine possessions, the decisions on whether to pass or run in the second half would change dramatically.

I understand what you are saying, but I would like to see the comparison to last year before completely agreeing with you.

Because it has "seemed" that the past few years teams were winning through the air. But again that might just be a misconception.