Mayo & Spikes - Eye Popping Numbers

[Simkin]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

with the bye week, so he have 1 game less than most of this guys

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

Where are the naysayers who believed the mantra that Mayo is toast...

Nobody ever said Mayo is toast. They said they like mayo on toasted sandwiches.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

Nobody ever said Mayo is toast. They said they like mayo on toasted sandwiches.

I wonder if that was a Freudian slip on his part. Maybe hes hungry

 

[Haley]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

This is probably an insanely stupid question but I'm dumb enough to ask it anyway. I'm not sure I entirely understand this stat. Maybe someone can explain why this is so good.

Here is my point of confusion: isn't number of tackles mostly a result of time on the field and number of short plays occurring per game? I mean don't most plays tend to end in a tackle? Does this reflect a weakness on others on the D because tackles are not more spread out evenly among them?

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

This is probably an insanely stupid question but I'm dumb enough to ask it anyway. I'm not sure I entirely understand this stat. Maybe someone can explain why this is so good.

Here is my point of confusion: isn't number of tackles mostly a result of time on the field and number of short plays occurring per game? I mean don't most plays tend to end in a tackle? Does this reflect a weakness on others on the D because tackles are not more spread out evenly among them?

I'm not going to pretend i'm an X's and O's guy, but i can think of several factors. The D seemed to bet set up to have the Ravens running game funneled into the middle were Spikes and Mayo were waiting. And if a player is good like Mayo is he has great lateral movement and speed. He can get to chase someone down to make the tackle.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

This is probably an insanely stupid question but I'm dumb enough to ask it anyway. I'm not sure I entirely understand this stat. Maybe someone can explain why this is so good.

Here is my point of confusion: isn't number of tackles mostly a result of time on the field and number of short plays occurring per game? I mean don't most plays tend to end in a tackle? Does this reflect a weakness on others on the D because tackles are not more spread out evenly among them?

Well not all plays end it a tackle. Worst case they end in a TD. Best case they end in a turnover. Often they end in an incomplete pass.

You don't want your DBs being your leading tacklers. On passing plays you want the ball batted down, not the reciever tackled after making a catch. And on running plays you want 1st choice the DL making the tackle, 2nd choice the LBs and last the secondary.

 

[Haley]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

thanks!

 

[Dagg]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

I have always disliked this stat, if your team gets off the field quickly, you dont have the chance to pad your tackle stats. It should be a % based on the #of plays not just a flat number.

IE
15 tackles out of 30 plays
or
15 tackles out of 60 plays.

 

[Kimimar0]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

I have always disliked this stat, if your team gets off the field quickly, you dont have the chance to pad your tackle stats. It should be a % based on the #of plays not just a flat number.

IE
15 tackles out of 30 plays
or
15 tackles out of 60 plays.

Also the average Yards per Tackle.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

This is probably an insanely stupid question but I'm dumb enough to ask it anyway. I'm not sure I entirely understand this stat. Maybe someone can explain why this is so good.

Here is my point of confusion: isn't number of tackles mostly a result of time on the field and number of short plays occurring per game? I mean don't most plays tend to end in a tackle? Does this reflect a weakness on others on the D because tackles are not more spread out evenly among them?

Its not even that. Teams tackles at the end of the year don't even come close to adding up to the number of plays.(minus incompletions) Some team (the colts) end up with 20% more solo tackles than they run plays. Some teams end up with significantly less. Its up to the scorer's discretion.


That being said, a lot of defenses are designed to funnel tackles to a couple of guys. In a 2-gap 3-4, the lineman are supposed to eat up blockers so the linebackers can tackler runners in the gaps.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

Where are the naysayers who believed the mantra that Mayo is toast... he is playing extremely well.

He is not flashy, but a very steady player.. he and Spikes are the real deal.

Not sure why anyone would say he's "toast," but I do understand the frustration that he's not more of a playmaker, considering he's a top 10 pick. I have high hopes for him, and am pleased he's at least doing the primary job of hte ILB, racking up those tackles.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

Also the average Yards per Tackle.

That I don't agree with.

Should you penalize Pat Chung because Kyle Arrington blew his assignment? Or punish Mayo because Ninkovitch couldn't bring a guy down?

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

That I don't agree with.

Should you penalize Pat Chung because Kyle Arrington blew his assignment? Or punish Mayo because Ninkovitch couldn't bring a guy down?

I think in general it is much harder to measure a linebacker than a QB with stats....but we try anyway. Reality is you have to know the assignments and watch the tape to judge the players.

 

[The_Riddler]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

It's a very deceiving and very overrated Stat (Total Tackles).

Where are the tackles being made, are they happening after the 4-6 yard gain? or are they being made 2 yards after LOS, at LOS or before LOS ?

TFL's are tracked, and they are "game-impacting" plays. Yet "total tackles" unfortunately doesn't take into account "where" the tackle is being made.

With this said, Mayo has been playing better it seems game by game, for anyone to say that he wasn't struggling before the last couple of games (in coverage esp) isn't being honest because he certainly was. It's good to see him improving. Will he ever be that game changing ILB? Hard to say, but atleast right now, he's using his lateral speed to keep small to avg gains from becoming large gains.

 

[Haley]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

I guess it may not be as precise as other measurements, but at least it is an indication that our funneling strategy is working properly. It seems like from what you all are saying that this stat is more of a reflection on the defensive line as a whole, and a stamp of approval at that.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Jerod Mayo leads the AFC in tackles

This is probably an insanely stupid question but I'm dumb enough to ask it anyway. I'm not sure I entirely understand this stat. Maybe someone can explain why this is so good.

Here is my point of confusion: isn't number of tackles mostly a result of time on the field and number of short plays occurring per game? I mean don't most plays tend to end in a tackle? Does this reflect a weakness on others on the D because tackles are not more spread out evenly among them?

New England has a problem. The defensive line is weak against the run. It's only got one guy who can really stop the run consistently, and that's Wilfork, although Deaderick is showing at least some small ability in this department. That's why we're seeing the defensive lineups we're seeing. The team is lining Wilfork at LDE instead of NT, and putting Warren in middle. This is funneling run plays up the middle, as teams try to avoid Wilfork and take advantage of Warren.

The result has been that Mayo and Spikes are being tested against the run. So far, they've generally been up to the task, which is where a lot of those tackle numbers are coming from. They're also being targeted in the passing game when they are out there, because they've not been as solid in that department, which results in more tackle attempts as well.

 

[AzPatsFan]

The D line played well. Crable played fairly well also

There were also some other guys who merit a little love.

Ron Brace played sparingly but well.

Sean Crable was partially responsible for Mike Wright's sack with his first pressure. His first pressure also flushed Falcco into to sprint out where Crabel, Guyton and someone else bearing down forced Falcco to throw it away and kill that drive.

Brandon Deaderick played and stopped the run. I don't know if he gets credit for the sack when his chasing forced Falcco to run out-of-bounds behind the LOS. I know its recorded as a sack, but may be an unassigned "team sack".

Dane Fletcher also showed well as a passing down sub at ILB, too.

This Defesne is turning out to be very deep with talent, as well as extremly young.

I'm hoping that Wheately can work back into shape and Butlet gets his head screwed on straight. Arrington is playing moderately well, despite a lack of athletic ability and it shows.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I think that you were just way ahead of most of us. The very idea was revolutionary. The best ideas are never embraced when introduced.

Ray Lewis is 36 and doing it on experience and passion. But the Killer's days are numbered, if you carefully inspect his recent production, or lack of it.

 

[VJCPatriot]

They both played well vs the run and I'm happy with their performance. But IMO a play maker is a rarer breed. It's the guy who makes the pick only 1 in 100 guys make, or gets to the qb after never giving up and gets the strip sack.

Off the top of my head guys like Ed Reed, Troy P, Clay Matthews, James Harrison.

If Mayo reaches that level of play making, this team will be in very good shape.

According to your criteria only sack happy OLB and INT happy safeties would qualify. I think your criteria don't apply very well to inside linebackers.

Back to the topic. I was very pumped when we drafted Spikes. A lot of people were down on Spikes and high on McClain in this year's draft. I think people got too carried away with hyping McClain and tearing down Spikes to make their binky look better. But really there is not that big of a gap between the two. Not to mention in 2009 Spikes was considered a surefire top 10 pick at LB.

I was very happy to get Spikes in round 2 because he's just the type of mean, fiery, thumper the Pats needed next to Mayo. Mayo may have the speed and range to make tackles all over the field which is great, but Spikes frees him up to do his thing. Spikes is also calling plays back there and bringing leadership to the D. The positive reports out of training camp all foreshadowed what we are seeing from Spikes now. What more can I say except the Pats have a great youthful duo at ILB now. I am not worried about our inside backers at all. Guyton makes an excellent rotation guy and Spikes and Mayo are starting to fire on all cylinders.

The guys I am more worried about are at OLB. Can Cunningham continue to develop. Will TBC show up on the tally sheet again. Can Crable drop his invisible act? Etc. Ninkovich has looked good on the outside though and that rookie Fletcher didn't look bad in sub packages either. So I think there is room for hope for that position.

 

[drew4008]

Mayo is technically leading the league in tackles (per game). He's on pace for just under 200. Insane.