Schefter: Branch to New England for 4th round pick

[emoney_33]

Eh, I can see how you would feel that way. I feel like we overspent for him too. But, if we can get another fourth round pick back (which can be done a bunch of different ways outside of moving picks around in the upcoming draft), then I'll feel a lot better about it. Personally, I think we should have pulled the trigger on the Branch trade before we sent Moss packing. Seattle snuffed out how desperate we were for a receiver that could come in and learn the system immediately and they squeezed us for him. If we had made this move before letting Moss go, I think we could have probably gotten him for a sixth.

We already did... Laurence Maroney.

 

[Deus Irae]

Eh, I can see how you would feel that way. I feel like we overspent for him too. But, if we can get another fourth round pick back (which can be done a bunch of different ways outside of moving picks around in the upcoming draft), then I'll feel a lot better about it. Personally, I think we should have pulled the trigger on the Branch trade before we sent Moss packing. Seattle snuffed out how desperate we were for a receiver that could come in and learn the system immediately and they squeezed us for him. If we had made this move before letting Moss go, I think we could have probably gotten him for a sixth.

Yeah... I'm fine with bringing Branch in. It's just the compensation. Even without the Moss trade, the team really had use for another outside receiver. Had Moss or Tate gone down, this team was looking at Price/Slater as a starting receiver. Unfortunately, that problem remains the status quo, with the only difference being that the starters are already of lesser quality with Branch in for Moss.

As I opined earlier in this thread, this move is at least a step up from last year, when the team got rid of a starting outside receiver and thought that Aiken was a better option than an outside receiver.

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[Deus Irae]

You connected the Moss trade with the Branch trade earlier in this thread, but excluded the Maroney trade, when another poster tried to equate it to Maroney for Branch. Which is essentially what happened.

But now you take the logical liberty of linking the Moss and Branch trade while dismissing the previous posters connection as independent of each other.

Then Kontra asks how you would feel about the trade if we manage to work our way back into the 4th round for a second time before the draft. And again you state that the moves are independent of each other.

Hence why I find your logic comical.

And obviously the little smiley face was lost on you. Not surprising.

Maroney is not a wide receiver, and was not traded just days before the trade that brought in Branch. Is this news to you? If not, you should be capable of understanding why the Maroney trade does not equate to the Branch trade.

 

[patfanallan]

Welcome back Tony.

 

[jmt57]

Tate does not have to fill Moss's role, that is total BS. The Pats never have asked a player to do something they are not capable of. They have always coached to player strengths while attempting to hide their weaknesses. To think that just because Moss is gone someone will have to alter what they do best to imitate Moss is wrong.

I agree with what you're saying, to a point. Yes, the offense and game plan will be altered based on what players are available. However, I would presume that Tate now becomes the flanker, and would be the most likely deep threat for plays that call for a receiver to go deep.

 

[jmt57]

Welcome back Tony.

Are you going to keep the forum in suspense for five years and ten months to find out who Tony is?

 

[Joker]

Tony Eason is coming back?....Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!:wha:

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I agree with what you're saying, to a point. Yes, the offense and game plan will be altered based on what players are available. However, I would presume that Tate now becomes the flanker, and would be the most likely deep threat for plays that call for a receiver to go deep.

I believe the two of you are on the same page. Talents overlap so Tate will stretch the field at some point as well as Hernandez and Branch.

Nobody can or will be expected to provide "freak" style plays.

Gronk will provide height in the red zone.

 

[WinstonSmith]

This is the problem with doing effective deals during the football season – you have to pay a premium to get your guy.

In baseball you can trade for a bat or a pitcher and expect to receive dividends from the get go, but football is much more of a team sport and requires the newly acquired player to adjust to his new team before he can make strong contributions.

A player that is familiar to an organization’s style of play, especially at the receiver position, has more value (mid season) to the team than a player that would need more time to adjust.

I’m sure that Bill realized that when he pulled the trigger on Moss that he would have to pay a “premium” for Branch and decided to do it anyway.

The question is not whether or not the Pats could have gotten a better deal but should they have moved on to another deal or just stayed pat -- realizing that other deals would have also been at a premium or the player would not have had the same plug and play capabilities of Branch.

 

[mgcolby]

Maroney is not a wide receiver, and was not traded just days before the trade that brought in Branch. Is this news to you? If not, you should be capable of understanding why the Maroney trade does not equate to the Branch trade.

Maroney for a 4th round pick.
Branch for a 4th round pick (the highest pick most likely will be Denver's 4th, which we received as compensation for Maroney). Surely this is not news to you?

Why is that so hard to equate and why would it be wrong for someone to make the statement: "we traded Maroney for Branch". While keeping the Moss deal independent, because we got a 3rd round pick for him, which we still have the rights to.

The time between trades makes a difference? It somehow changes the value or the source of the compensation?

You argued that we got Branch and a 3rd for Moss, a 4th and a 7th earlier in the thread, and stated you didn't like the value. Please tell me what is the timeline that we are using to determine the value and the source of the compensation?

Because one could easily argue that we got a 1st, a 3rd and 3 1/4 years of Moss, and an older Branch for a 4th, a 7th and a younger Branch. When put like that it sounds like good value. (for the record this is not my argument, but one that could be made with some validity ).

 

[patsinthesnow]

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[WhiteWesWelker88]

Tate does not have to fill Moss's role, that is total BS. The Pats never have asked a player to do something they are not capable of. They have always coached to player strengths while attempting to hide their weaknesses. To think that just because Moss is gone someone will have to alter what they do best to imitate Moss is wrong.

Tate can be a deep threat... sooo many haters doubt this cat. He has amazing speed to aid him in his quest to be a deep receiver.

 

[WhiteWesWelker88]

the legacy of Randy Moss is no where near the player he is today. I hate when ppl assume "how great he is"..... it is a misconception fabricated by amazing stats from his past. He is a shadow of himself skill wise.... he is nothing like he was back when he was a legend in the making.



He is not that guy today. Jesus.... Reality check.


He is replaceable.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

FWIW DA had a beat reporter from Seattle on a while ago. He said that the reason Deion never caught on in Seattle (injury aside and he said it was just the severity of the knee that resulted in it taking so long to heal and required additional off season procedures - health hasn't been an issue for the last season plus) was because he was a poor fit for their system and Holmgren never wanted him, didn't know how to use him. He was the GM Ruskell's pick. He was not suited to the west coast system which unlike our read and react sight adjusted system that looks for weakness in the defense is a strictly timing and precision based system that requires some height and substance because your not eluding coverage you're challenging it in tight windows.

He said the mistake was less a reflection on Deion's talent then Seattle's miscalculation. At the time they had lots of WR's who struggled to catch the damn ball as I recall. Ruskell probably thought on that basis Deion would be an improvement. But it wasn't an opportunistic or cerebral offense and Hasselbeck isn't an opportunistic or cerebral QB. He was a gunslinger at heart and at times an impatient and poor decision maker. Kinda like that guy he backed up for Holmgren in GB not to mention what Holmgren tapped for Cleveland this season, Jake Delhomme...

He said Deion was a great teamate in Seattle and never a problem even when things went badly for him. He said they were not keen on trading him (good pro role model for the kids on a young offense that is struggling) and the deal was done in part as a favor because they knew he wanted it. Which he said is underscored by his willingness to redo his deal once he got here.

 

[coolguy]

the legacy of Randy Moss is no where near the player he is today. I hate when ppl assume "how great he is"..... it is a misconception fabricated by amazing stats from his past. He is a shadow of himself skill wise.... he is nothing like he was back when he was a legend in the making.



He is not that guy today. Jesus.... Reality check.


He is replaceable.

EXACTLY!! The old randy would have caught that fake spike pass.

Randy does not have the separation agility he once had...Average cbs a are batting passes from him.
RANDY DOES NOT FIGHT FOR THE BALL WHEN ITS IN THE AIR !!
Randy is a ****ty blocker and takes plays off that he knows will not involve him.

I liked randy but branch always had more heart than moss. When moss team is doing great he's the happiness guy on earthy, if they're average he would look depressed and not run full speed.

 

[coolguy]

btw who did the pats draft with the Seattle seachickens 1st round pick?

 

[BigMike]

FWIW DA had a beat reporter from Seattle on a while ago. He said that the reason Deion never caught on in Seattle (injury aside and he said it was just the severity of the knee that resulted in it taking so long to heal and required additional off season procedures - health hasn't been an issue for the last season plus) was because he was a poor fit for their system and Holmgren never wanted him, didn't know how to use him. He was the GM Ruskell's pick. He was not suited to the west coast system which unlike our read and react sight adjusted system that looks for weakness in the defense is a strictly timing and precision based system that requires some height and substance because your not eluding coverage you're challenging it in tight windows.

He said the mistake was less a reflection on Deion's talent then Seattle's miscalculation. At the time they had lots of WR's who struggled to catch the damn ball as I recall. Ruskell probably thought on that basis Deion would be an improvement. But it wasn't an opportunistic or cerebral offense and Hasselbeck isn't an opportunistic or cerebral QB. He was a gunslinger at heart and at times an impatient and poor decision maker. Kinda like that guy he backed up for Holmgren in GB not to mention what Holmgren tapped for Cleveland this season, Jake Delhomme...

He said Deion was a great teamate in Seattle and never a problem even when things went badly for him. He said they were not keen on trading him (good pro role model for the kids on a young offense that is struggling) and the deal was done in part as a favor because they knew he wanted it. Which he said is underscored by his willingness to redo his deal once he got here.

Very good post - explains what really happened in SEA with Deion and The Walrus....

 

[Joker]

this isn't over yet...not by a long shot...not until we get Charlie Casserly's "inside scoop" on what REALLY happened...THEN and only THEN will we know what REALLY happened because Casserly is NEVER wrong and NEVER makes things up.....:gossip:

 

[PatDaPatriot]

btw who did the pats draft with the Seattle seachickens 1st round pick?

Brandon Meriweather...

 

[furley]

That's fantasy football. Branch's fantasy value vs. his value to the Pats are two different issues.

Besides, the Pats weren't getting Danny Amendola in a trade anyway.

Oh, I know that... I was simply making a point that the writer concurs with me indirectly in general.

Well, at least Branch is willing to restructure his contract.

He also indicated that he is willing to restructure his contract, which ends after 2011; he is currently scheduled to make $5.95 million next year.

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