Warren to IR, Burgess reinstated

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Your acting like Ty Warren was the best lineman in the league. Vince Wilfork is the one who ties up linemen. Warren's play the last two years and last year esp.has not been up to par. Based on what I have seen of Gerard Warren in camp and last night, he is more than competant to fill the void. also with Brace, Lewis, Wright, etc there are plent of guys on the roster who can step up and give us PT.. Ty Warren has missed 8 games the last two years ,and his replacements in that time have filled in just fine.

2009 -

he missed pretty much 4 of 17 games, but in the other 13 he played 62% of total snaps.
missed weeks being:

10 @IND 35 pa, 316 pyds, 91 ryds allowed
15 @BUF 10 pa, 136 pyds, 105 ryds ( Wk1 v BUF 17 pa, 186 pyds, 90 ryds)
16 v JAX 7 pa, 177 pyds, 98 ryds
17 @HOU 27 pa, 295 pyds, 144 ryds

2008 -

once again, missed 4 games, if you count a 13 snap wk16 appearance as a miss.
looks like 63.6% of snaps in the 13 games he played, missed weeks being:

11 v NYJ 27 pa, 235 pyds, 140 ryds (Wk 2 @NYJ 10 pa, 152 pyds, 104 ryds)
13 v PIT 33 pa, 172 pyds, 161 ryds
14 @SEA 21 pa, 205 pyds, 134 ryds
16 v ARI 7 pa, 142 pyds, 44 ryds (I think this was the snowstorm)

 

[Rob0729]

Yes, Warren is good all I'm saying is that the drop off between Warren and Gerard Warren or Mike Wright or Damione Lewis is not as big as some people are making it out to be.

It isn't a monumental drop, but the drop is significant enough to be a big concern. Now a guy like Myron Pryor could make a significant jump in his second season.

Based on the limited amount I have seen of Gerard Warren in the Pats defense, he could be a 2001 type of acquisition where a career disapointment/journeyman comes into the Pats' system and becomes a valued player. It is too soon to tell at this point though.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Marcus Spears was good in Parcells' defense which was a two gap, 3-4. He isn't an one gap, 3-4 player that Wade Phillips runs. There is a reason why Parcells tried to go after the guy this offseason.

I disagree. I've watched him since he's been drafted and he's been a disappointment. Parcells wanted him because they needed a DE and he knew their system.

 

[QB12]

Does this mean that Burgess now has (x) days to report, or that he is en route to Foxboro?

 

[Marqui]

Ugh, Brace needs to get his behind on the field.

 

[Rob0729]

I'd sign Schobel for one DE spot and Cunningham/Burgess/Banta-Cain for the other.

Along with Wilfork, G. Warren would be their 2 down DT and Pryor would step in on 3rd down.

However, the OLB spot would be tricky.

Well, the Pats haven't signed Schobel and probably won't if the Texans have any interest. I still don't know if Wilfork has a significant role in a 4-3. I want both Mayo and Spikes on the field and I don't think either are an OLB even in the 4-3 at this level.

Hamilton was better than you think. He was a journeyman when they signed him but he played very well for them. Maybe Warren and Lewis can do the same thing.

Hamilton was a serviceable starter with the Pats who was a never was until he got to the Pats. Why can't either or both Warren or Lewis do the same.

I partially agree with that. Ted Washington was an absolute monster at NT and he was old as hell. Ditto with Keith Traylor. It also helps when almost all your LB's were 6-4 and 250 pounds.

Ted Washington missed half the season and only played run down until the playoffs. Also, Phifer was listed at 248lbs and Bruschi was listed at 247lbs. Brandon Spikes is listed at 250lbs and Jerod Mayo is listed at 245lbs. Only ILBs run behind the NT excepted for certain plays. I see no significant difference between Phifer and Bruschi with Spikes and Mayo. The OLBs in the 3-4 line up outside the DEs.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Ugh, Brace needs to get his behind on the field.

I'm not really sure how this would help with losing Ty Warren; Brace is a backup NT, and that's about it.

 

[signbabybrady]

This one hurts for sure.

But one man does not mean we need to change schemes or need to panic.

We have good depth along the line and though obviously less now we still have some good depth.

Wilfork, G. Warren, Wright, Lewis, and Pryor are all guys that I am perfectly fine with being on the field and they allow us to continue to do what is dictated and not be forced to play a particular scheme.

 

[Deus Irae]

...We have good depth along the line...

What are you basing this assertion on?

 

[Rob0729]

I disagree. I've watched him since he's been drafted and he's been a disappointment. Parcells wanted him because they needed a DE and he knew their system.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Profootball Weekly put him on their All Rookie Team in 2005. I thought he had a very good year in 2007 and was a contributing reason the Cowboys' defense was so good that year.

 

[lovsn]

I get the feeling one of Deaderick and Weston are gonna have to step up and perform in a Pryor type role pretty much straight from the off.

If G Warren is your first and second down LDE, with Lewis as the 3rd down LDE then some combination of Deadrick/Weston and Wright are likely gonna have to do the other. Feel sorry for Mike Wright as he's gonna be forced to play a lot more snaps than you'd ideally want.

 

[Fencer]

Warren has the years of service in, so waivers don't apply.

Warren is a veteran player who already has played for 4+ seasons in the NFL. Therefor he doesn't have to clear waivers and can go straight to IR if I remember correctly.

Edit: Too slow

Thanks, guys!

 

[paulwu]

I'm not really sure how this would help with losing Ty Warren; Brace is a backup NT, and that's about it.

Can't Wilfork move outside and Brace go NT?

 

[Deus Irae]

Can't Wilfork move outside and Brace go NT?

From the looks of Wilfork last night, he'd need to drop a few lbs.

 

[Kontradiction]

Someone pointed out, in another thread, that Ty Warren, for whatever reason, has not really played up to expectations for the past few seasons. And, it has been noticeable, for whatever the reason is.

Somehow, this might be a blessing in disguise for the Pats.

How is losing the best and most seasoned DE on the team a blessing in disguise? I'm praying, at this point, that one of the bodies we have can fill in or we are on the phone in the next few days trying to find a replacement. I really wish we would have taken a closer look at John Henderson but it is what it is.

Time to sign Schobel and run a 4-3. This team is not a 3-4 team anymore.

That Seymour trade is looking really good right now.

For better or worse, the two ILB's now become the focal points of our defense. On top of that, we don't know if we have the DE's to run the 4-3 either. It would make more sense to bring in a capable body (like a Spears) and stick with the 3-4 while alternating to the 4-3. Not the other way around.

 

[signbabybrady]

What are you basing this assertion on?

Talent at the top has thinned some but we still have five guys that I feel comfortable with in varying roles some more than others.

Wilfork, G. Warren, Wright, Lewis, and Pryor.

5 guys for 3 spots seems to still be decent depth. 3 guys with a lot of NFL starting experience and 2 guys with defined roles.

That doesn't even factor in guys like Brace, Deadrick, Love, Weston and/or Richard who may or may not make the team and who we have no idea or a bad idea about their skills.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Time to sign Schobel and run a 4-3. This team is not a 3-4 team anymore.

That Seymour trade is looking really good right now.

ya, they should have seen this coming and not traded Seymour...are you ******ed?

 

[Kontradiction]

Talent at the top has thinned some but we still have five guys that I feel comfortable with in varying roles some more than others.

Wilfork, G. Warren, Wright, Lewis, and Pryor.

5 guys for 3 spots seems to still be decent depth. 3 guys with a lot of NFL starting experience and 2 guys with defined roles.

That doesn't even factor in guys like Brace, Deadrick, Love, Weston and/or Richard who may or may not make the team and who we have no idea or a bad idea about their skills.

Wilfork, Wright, and Pryor are DT's and don't really work as 3-4 DE's. On that list, Warren and Lewis are the only two who could be considered 3-4 DE's. Brace is also a guy who would work better as a DT, though he did get some reps early on in mini-camp as a DE when Warren went down. We'd have to hope for him to come in and play that position well (which would probably require him to drop some weight and fast), Deaderick to mature very quickly, Lewis to morph into a starting DE, or for the team to get on the phone with another team and acquire a starting quality DE.

 

[WelshPat]

Marcus Spears was good in Parcells' defense which was a two gap, 3-4. He isn't an one gap, 3-4 player that Wade Phillips runs. There is a reason why Parcells tried to go after the guy this offseason.

This is exactly why i hate posts talking about why players wouldn't play well with the Pats, because they run a different type of 3-4

Marcus Spears sucked in Parcells system just as much as Wades. He was never good. You are making things up.

 

[Kontradiction]

This is exactly why i hate posts talking about why players wouldn't play well with the Pats, because they run a different type of 3-4

Marcus Spears sucked in Parcells system just as much as Wades. He was never good. You are making things up.

Well you're a Welshman so I'm not going to take your word for it.