The Jets suck (merged)

[Rob0729]

No.

The real fact is the Jets played who were on their schedule. They owe no apoligies for playing teams that chose not have their starters go a full game.

While many say they never deserved to be a playoff team they sure played like one once they got there.

Hopefully this season they won't have the same kind of freaky losses that put a playoff run in jeapordy in the first place.

You mean games where Sanchez turned it over more times in a game than he threw TDs which was almost every game he was asked to throw more than 19 times? If the Jets can find a way to keep Sanchez from throwing the ball more than 19 times in a game, they might go 19-0 because all of their losses came from when Sanchez threw 20 or more times in a game and they were undefeated when he threw for 19 or less. I guess that is freaky in its own way.

 

[Rexorcism]

You mean games where Sanchez turned it over more times in a game than he threw TDs which was almost every game he was asked to throw more than 19 times? If the Jets can find a way to keep Sanchez from throwing the ball more than 19 times in a game, they might go 19-0 because all of their losses came from when Sanchez threw 20 or more times in a game and they were undefeated when he threw for 19 or less. I guess that is freaky in its own way.

Thats a tough stat to use. Most teams lose the games when their QB has their highest pass totals because they get behind early and have to abandon the run. So is the case with Sanchez.

Not to mention, you're wrong. Sanchew threw ball 30 times in the Houston win and Tennessee win.

Of course, Sanchez directly led to the Buffalo loss, and buried them in other games like the Saints game and Pats rematch.

The freaky losses I was talking about was the second game Miami game where the Jets dominated offensively and defensively only to lose a game through two kick returns and a fumble returned for a TD and still had a last minute drive to win that was turned away. Also, the Falcons game, Jags game, and first Miami game where the D choked away the lead on the final drives.

Hopefully, some of those problems fix themselves with another year of experience.

 

[Brady2Welker]

Silly Jets fans.

Why would they think they have a shot at the superbowl when 6 months ago they held a lead in the champ game going into half time.

When will they learn.

Score at the half doesn't equate to anything. Games are 4 quarters, not two. If they weren't, the Patriots would have had a stellar record.

 

[Rob0729]

Thats a tough stat to use. Most teams lose the games when their QB has their highest pass totals because they get behind early and have to abandon the run. So is the case with Sanchez.

Not to mention, you're wrong. Sanchew threw ball 30 times in the Houston win and Tennessee win.

Of course, Sanchez directly led to the Buffalo loss, and buried them in other games like the Saints game and Pats rematch.

The freaky losses I was talking about was the second game Miami game where the Jets dominated offensively and defensively only to lose a game through two kick returns and a fumble returned for a TD and still had a last minute drive to win that was turned away. Also, the Falcons game, Jags game, and first Miami game where the D choked away the lead on the final drives.

Hopefully, some of those problems fix themselves with another year of experience.

How is that a tough stat to us? Nineteen passes is a below average number of passes in a game for a starting QB in the NFL. If I said over 25 or 30 passes, then you might have a point. But passing 19 times in a game is the Trent Dilfer style of QBing. It is an important stat because it was clear that the Jets had to limit Sanchez's passes to win because of his poor decision making (and why they had to resort to childrens' games like Red light/Green Light in practice).

I'll say this now. If the Jets didn't screw up their run offense too much and they can keep the ball out of Sanchez's hands and only ask him to be a game manager, they have a shot to be a competitor. If they try to win games on his arm, they won't sniff the playoffs. Sanchez could be a great QB some day, but he has a looooonnnnggg way to go to get there. He is only effective when the Jets pound the ball down the opposition throat and he passes sporatically with opposing offenses playing run. I think tight coverages and pressure confuse him.

 

[Sivy]

Thats a tough stat to use. Most teams lose the games when their QB has their highest pass totals because they get behind early and have to abandon the run. So is the case with Sanchez.

Not to mention, you're wrong. Sanchew threw ball 30 times in the Houston win and Tennessee win.

Of course, Sanchez directly led to the Buffalo loss, and buried them in other games like the Saints game and Pats rematch.

The freaky losses I was talking about was the second game Miami game where the Jets dominated offensively and defensively only to lose a game through two kick returns and a fumble returned for a TD and still had a last minute drive to win that was turned away. Also, the Falcons game, Jags game, and first Miami game where the D choked away the lead on the final drives.

Hopefully, some of those problems fix themselves with another year of experience.

I must be the only one who rememebers that he threw 3 balls directly to huston players that dropped sure picks...yea yea, I know it doenst matter because they didnt catch them, but if you want to evaluate talent, you must consider the poor choices he made, even when he got lucky.

 

[Rexorcism]

I must be the only one who rememebers that he threw 3 balls directly to huston players that dropped sure picks...yea yea, I know it doenst matter because they didnt catch them, but if you want to evaluate talent, you must consider the poor choices he made, even when he got lucky.

There is no denying Sanchez had a pretty rough rookie season.

What is intriguing is what he did knowing so little. Here is a recent article to explain what I'm talking about.

For all the talk about Sanchez developing chemistry with his wide receivers, Schottenheimer emphasized that the hardest thing for young quarterbacks to learn is the protection matrix.

"It's one of the most important things too," Schottenheimer said. "But when you're saying, 'Okay, we got a young quarterback and we got to go play with him,' you have cheat in some areas. With the offensive line that we had last year, we were comfortable saying to Mark, 'Okay, here's this protection. The line will kind of handle it. You don't know it all. You just worry about your reads and progressions.'"

Schottenheimer admitted that Sanchez would have received a 75-80 grade on that test last week.(A detailed protection test)

Now, here's the amazing part: "If you gave that test to Mark at the end of the season," Schottenheimer said, "he probably would have gotten a 50 or a 40."

In essence, the Jets made it all the way to the AFC Championship Game last season with their rookie quarterback knowing about half of what he could know in 2011.


Read more: New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez improving knowledge of protections


Supposedly Mark has been working non stop since the end of the season, hopefully it translates into better numbers this year.

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

Sanchez's stats from NFL.com

Week 1: 18/31 1TD/1INT 272YDS (WIN)
Week 2: 14/22 1TD/0INT 163YDS (WIN)
Week 3: 17/30 2TD/1INT 171YDS (WIN)
Week 4: 14/27 0TD/3INT 138YDS (LOSS)
Week 5: 12/24 1TD/0INT 172YDS (LOSS)
Week 6: 10/29 0TD/5INT 119YDS (LOSS)
Week 7: 9/16 1TD/0INT 143YDS (WIN)
Week 8: 20/35 2TD/0INT 265YDS (LOSS)
Week 9: BYE
Week 10: 16/30 1TD/2INT 212YDS (LOSS)
Week 11: 8/21 1TD/4INT 136YDS (LOSS)
Week 12: 13/17 0TD/1INT 154YDS (WIN)
Week 13: 7/15 1TD/0INT 104YDS (WIN)
Week 14: DIDN'T PLAY (WIN)
Week 15: 18/32 1TD/3INT 226YDS (LOSS)
Week 16: 12/19 0TD/0INT 106YDS (WIN)
Week 17: 8/16 0TD/0INT 63YDS (WIN)
POG 1: 12/15 1TD/0INT 182YDS (WIN)
POG 2: 12/23 1TD/1INT 100YDS (WIN)
POG 3: 17/30 2TD/1INT 257YDS (LOSS)



He won 1 game where he threw more than 200yards.
If he throws more than 1 INT in the game he loses.
He threw for more than 1 TD 3 times and lost two of those.
During the regular season games they won, Sanchez averaged roughly 11/21
During the regular season losing games he averaged roughly 14/29
Post season wins he averaged 12/19.
His post season loss he was 17/30.

Conclusions:
1) The more the Jets rely on Sanchez to throw the ball, the more they lose.
2) Sanchez sucks.
3) The Jets therefore suck.

 

[Zeus]

If a tree falls in the woods and there's nobody there to hear it, do the Jets still suck?

This really gets to the heart of the matter.

It's an immutable law of nature. Just as it's cold in the winter and warm in the summer, light during the day and dark at night. There's no room for debate or equivocation.

The jets suck, have always sucked and will always suck. There's simply no point in debating a universal truth.

 

[Deus Irae]

There is no denying Sanchez had a pretty rough rookie season.

What is intriguing is what he did knowing so little. Here is a recent article to explain what I'm talking about.

For all the talk about Sanchez developing chemistry with his wide receivers, Schottenheimer emphasized that the hardest thing for young quarterbacks to learn is the protection matrix.

"It's one of the most important things too," Schottenheimer said. "But when you're saying, 'Okay, we got a young quarterback and we got to go play with him,' you have cheat in some areas. With the offensive line that we had last year, we were comfortable saying to Mark, 'Okay, here's this protection. The line will kind of handle it. You don't know it all. You just worry about your reads and progressions.'"

Schottenheimer admitted that Sanchez would have received a 75-80 grade on that test last week.(A detailed protection test)

Now, here's the amazing part: "If you gave that test to Mark at the end of the season," Schottenheimer said, "he probably would have gotten a 50 or a 40."

In essence, the Jets made it all the way to the AFC Championship Game last season with their rookie quarterback knowing about half of what he could know in 2011.


Read more: New York Jets QB Mark Sanchez improving knowledge of protections


Supposedly Mark has been working non stop since the end of the season, hopefully it translates into better numbers this year.

So, the rookie QB was not only full of suck, he was stupid and couldn't learn more than half of what was required.

That bodes well for the Jets sucking in the future.

 

[Patspsycho]

Supposedly Mark has been working non stop since the end of the season, hopefully it translates into better numbers this year.

It's one thing to study protection in a classroom on a chalkboard and to write down answers, and it's completely another thing to recognize and visualize the developing assigns in the heat of the battle.

That is what separates the great QB's from the ordinary QB, and that will be his test.

 

[Rexorcism]

So, the rookie QB was not only full of suck, he was stupid and couldn't learn more than half of what was required.

That bodes well for the Jets sucking in the future.

Should have known better than to post an article which requires a glass half full view to appreciate.

 

[Deus Irae]

Should have known better than to post an article which requires a glass half full view to appreciate.

No.... I think Patriots fans will appreciate the fact that the Jets could only trust Sanchez with half the necessary information. I think they'll appreciate that very much, and hope it continues like that in the future.

 

[Rexorcism]

No.... I think Patriots fans will appreciate the fact that the Jets could only trust Sanchez with half the necessary information. I think they'll appreciate that very much, and hope it continues like that in the future.

touche.


With that being said I think this season will be a very good litmus test for Sanchez. If he can't progress his game with all the work he is putting in and weapons he has then the Jets will be back in their neverendning hunt for a franchise QB.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Remember the Green Light Red Light scheme fatty had to institute for his not-too-bright QB? Classic!

 

[Uncle Meat]

If a tree falls in the woods and there's nobody there to hear it, do the Jets still suck?

ha, ha.

This is actually quite funny.

 

[Rob0729]

Another problem for the Jets is that Shonne Greene apparently has been training at the buffet table with Kris Jenkins this offseason. From Rich Cimini:

The organization has two concerns about Greene: Durability and weight. His ideal weight is 226 to 228 pounds, according to Lynn, but he showed up seven pounds overweight at the start of the off-season program. That's not a whole lot -- his rib injury in the AFC Championship Game may have affected his post-season conditioning -- but it's still something to keep an eye on.

As for injuries, Greene's physical running style will always make him more vulnerable to dings than most backs. But as Lynn said, "Down the road, he has to learn to play with pain and discomfort." He wasn't questioning Greene's toughness. Actually, Lynn recalled Greene's ankle injury in training camp, thinking at the time that he "snapped it ... It was ugly." It wasn't a long-term injury, as Greene made it back relatively quickly, but part of being an every-down back -- the Jets' goal for Greene -- is performing at less than 100%. Curtis Martin made a career of it, and he's going to Canton.

Are two heads better than one? - Jets Blog - ESPN New York

Yeah, I know it is only seven pounds, but I figured I would throw that in there since Cimini brought it up.

 

[efin98]

Absolutly. They would still suck if a whole forrest fell down.

Their sucking is what is causing the trees to fall down

 

[Kontradiction]

The Jets could suck a golfball through a garden hose.

 

[averywhitehall]

No.... I think Patriots fans will appreciate the fact that the Jets could only trust Sanchez with half the necessary information. I think they'll appreciate that very much, and hope it continues like that in the future.

Hey..how's everyone been? Can't believe this thread has almost 1050 responses. Fun Fact: Mark Sanchez's rookie season was better than Brady's rookie season. What's that? Tom Brady didn't play as a rookie? I forgot 'bout that.

But on a serious note..I have a question for all the Patriots fans who happen to read this question:

What expectations were you expecting Mark Sanchez to have as a rookie last season?

I hear all the bashing...but seriously; how good did the Patriots fans expect him to be? How well was he supposed to perform last season? And please people...I would like real answers and not just throwaway statements such as "I expected him to be better than he was last season."

 

[NJPatsfan26]

1100!!! The Jets Suck and they always will!!!