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Rate the PATS FO approach this season so far

  • Pitiful and inexcusable, they ahve blown this season

    Votes: 8 7.1%
  • Not at all happy but will wiat post draft to comment

    Votes: 50 44.2%
  • They are doing what they have top because of uncapped year

    Votes: 23 20.4%
  • BB and Caserio are teh best, their patienxce will pay off with a deep playoff run

    Votes: 32 28.3%

  • Total voters
    113
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I am probably as frustrated as anyone about this off season
The Santonio Holmes and Marshal deals are the straws that broke the camels back. I believe finances is dictating lack of activity

I would like to see how everyone else feels at this point one week before the draft
 
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Our team has been in a three year rut with no signs of digging itself out. It is time for new blood top to bottom. We have a "4th and 1" go for it Head Coach; no real coordinators and all around average talent.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

I'll be back when the off-season is over. Otherwise it's like grading a test based on the first section only.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

5th option: Undecided, need to wait to see how the draft works out to do more evaluation.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

Our team has been in a three year rut with no signs of digging itself out. It is time for new blood top to bottom. We have a "4th and 1" go for it Head Coach; no real coordinators and all around average talent.

Firing the head coach who all of our best players have learned under for years is a great idea.

:bricks:
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

I am probably as frustrated as anyone about this off season
The Santonio Holmes and Marshal deals are the straws that broke the camels back. I believe finances is dictating lack of activity

I would like to see how everyone else feels at this point one week before the draft

As a Jets fan pretending to be a Patriots fan, why would you be frustrated about this off season? Are you concerned that Holmes and Edwards won't be able to co-exist, or is it more that you don't think Sanchez will improve?
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

Our team has been in a three year rut with no signs of digging itself out. It is time for new blood top to bottom. We have a "4th and 1" go for it Head Coach; no real coordinators and all around average talent.

Three year rut?

2007: Undefeated regular season, loss in Super Bowl

2008: Lose our starting QB in week 1, still finish 11-5 and miss the playoffs by 1 game

2009: Finish 10-6 and win the AFC East, lose in the 1st round of the playoffs

Interesting to see what you define as a "rut"
 
I vote for #5-Draft Spel Czech before you post another poll.
 
That poll's selections look like something NEPATRIOT would have written up
 
Im unhappy for the long a** waiting for the draft to come and go. Thinking about how our offseason went is a waste of time. Probably Coach Belichick thought the same, which is why he didnt pick up any big time vet FAs (except Crumpler). So the draft is our way out, hope we get a good one too!
 
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Way to misspell a word on all four options. Very impressive.
 
You've won me over, ramon. I see now that you don't meant to come across so child like, it's just an inherent skill.

No offense, of course. Some people are just born that way.
 
Re: Are you happy with Patriots Front Office approach this Off Season

I'm definitely discouraged and upset that we wouldn't consider giving up a 5th for Santonio, a 3rd in 2011 for Cromartie, and didn't pursue Boldin as aggressively as we should have. Yet, we give up a 3rd and a 5th for Derrick Burgess, who did not really fit our 3-4 defense, was a situational pass rusher, and was on the downside of his career.

I never expected us to go crazy this offseason and sign a guy like Peppers or trade for a guy like Marshall and extend him, no matter how nice that would look on paper. I was very happy that we kept Wilfork, Faulk, and Neal, and content to keep Banta-Cain and Bodden. However, I don't think TBC is a quality starter at OLB, and is at his best when his snaps are kept in check as a rotational OLB. I'm also not as high on Bodden as some fellow fans are, but he's a solid CB, and it's one less hole to worry about now that he's back.

I do think the Pats talent level is often overlooked because they don't have the "names" that teams like the Jets do. Who's to say Butler can't be as good or better than Cromartie? Would anyone really take LT over anyone in our backfield? Who's to say Mr. Drops aka Braylon Edwards will outperform Edelman or Tate? I think we actually have a good amount of young talent, and I'd say I'm more optimistic than others about Crable, McKenzie, Wilhite, and Tate. I think we are in the process of seeing these guys be developed, and I think most guys will take some leaps forward this year, especially with BB at the helm.

However, I have been disappointed to a certain extent. As much as I'm optimistic about some of the young talent, there are definite holes on this team and a need for playmakers on both sides of the ball. I love Edelman and Tate, but what else do we have at WR? An aging Moss who is most likely gone after 2010, a guy who tore up his ACL and may never truly be the same player that he was in the past, a developmental QB in Stanback, and a special teamer in Sam Aiken. Last year one of this team's biggest problems was that there wasn't a consistently reliable 3rd option at WR, and too much of the offense revolved around Moss and Welker. Take Welker out of the equation for at least 8 weeks (IMO), and you basically have the same WR corps that got their ****s handed to them vs Baltimore. Tate is capable of being a very good #3, but I don't know if he can stay healthy and/or if he's the same explosive player after two consecutive knee injuries.

At RB, is Maroney "the guy?" At times last year, he appeared to be on the right track, but he's still never been able to put it all together and I would have to think putting the ball on the ground is something that infuriates Belichick. Morris was hurt again (who could've seen that coming?), and Taylor is another year older and slower. Faulk is the only guy without serious questions, but he is getting older too.

Then you get to the defense, and you just think, what the hell do we even have at OLB. Adalius is already half way out the door, Crable has been on IR for 2 straight years, is Ninkovich anything more than a special teamer/backup, and what are the odds TBC ever sees a 10 sack year again. McKenzie has never played a down in the NFL, Guyton was a liability against the run, and can Mike Right start at RDE or do we need to try to find another Seymour.

The Pats have had all of these concerns/needs looming over their head since February. Basicaly none of these needs have been addressed (outside of re-signing their own). This year's draft is a great way too add talent at a cost effective price, and I expect BB to hit on the majority of his picks, but how many times do rookies come in and light it up for the Pats? Do we honestly expect someone like Graham or Sapp or Kindle to come in and instantly become a difference maker in a complex defense like this? Even Mayo said he didn't really fully understand the defense until this year!

All in all, I will wait until after the draft to really start worrying b/c there's always a chance of a trade (a la Moss 2007) and the Pats should be able to add 4 very good players if they do their homework. I don't see any big time additions after the draft though, unless we make another Burgess-type deal in July/August, because I don't think there will be a ton of veterans sent packing, contrary to what Jonathan Kraft has said. Maybe it'll feel nice being the underdogs again, as the Jets seem to think they're a lock to win the division and are headed to the SB already.
 
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I'm definitely discouraged and upset that we wouldn't consider giving up a 5th for Santonio, a 3rd in 2011 for Cromartie, and didn't pursue Boldin as aggressively as we should have. Yet, we give up a 3rd and a 5th for Derrick Burgess, who did not really fit our 3-4 defense, was a situational pass rusher, and was on the downside of his career.

I never expected us to go crazy this offseason and sign a guy like Peppers or trade for a guy like Marshall and extend him, no matter how nice that would look on paper. I was very happy that we kept Wilfork, Faulk, and Neal, and content to keep Banta-Cain and Bodden. However, I don't think TBC is a quality starter at OLB, and is at his best when his snaps are kept in check as a rotational OLB. I'm also not as high on Bodden as some fellow fans are, but he's a solid CB, and it's one less hole to worry about now that he's back.

I do think the Pats talent level is often overlooked because they don't have the "names" that teams like the Jets do. Who's to say Butler can't be as good or better than Cromartie? Would anyone really take LT over anyone in our backfield? Who's to say Mr. Drops aka Braylon Edwards will outperform Edelman or Tate? I think we actually have a good amount of young talent, and I'd say I'm more optimistic than others about Crable, McKenzie, Wilhite, and Tate. I think we are in the process of seeing these guys be developed, and I think most guys will take some leaps forward this year, especially with BB at the helm.

However, I have been disappointed to a certain extent. As much as I'm optimistic about some of the young talent, there are definite holes on this team and a need for playmakers on both sides of the ball. I love Edelman and Tate, but what else do we have at WR? An aging Moss who is most likely gone after 2010, a guy who tore up his ACL and may never truly be the same player that he was in the past, a developmental QB in Stanback, and a special teamer in Sam Aiken. Last year one of this team's biggest problems was that there wasn't a consistently reliable 3rd option at WR, and too much of the offense revolved around Moss and Welker. Take Welker out of the equation for at least 8 weeks (IMO), and you basically have the same WR corps that got their ****s handed to them vs Baltimore. Tate is capable of being a very good #3, but I don't know if he can stay healthy and/or if he's the same explosive player after two consecutive knee injuries.

At RB, is Maroney "the guy?" At times last year, he appeared to be on the right track, but he's still never been able to put it all together and I would have to think putting the ball on the ground is something that infuriates Belichick. Morris was hurt again (who could've seen that coming?), and Taylor is another year older and slower. Faulk is the only guy without serious questions, but he is getting older too.

Then you get to the defense, and you just think, what the hell do we even have at OLB. Adalius is already half way out the door, Crable has been on IR for 2 straight years, is Ninkovich anything more than a special teamer/backup, and what are the odds TBC ever sees a 10 sack year again. McKenzie has never played a down in the NFL, Guyton was a liability against the run, and can Mike Right start at RDE or do we need to try to find another Seymour.

The Pats have had all of these concerns/needs looming over their head since February. Basicaly none of these needs have been addressed (outside of re-signing their own). This year's draft is a great way too add talent at a cost effective price, and I expect BB to hit on the majority of his picks, but how many times do rookies come in and light it up for the Pats? Do we honestly expect someone like Graham or Sapp or Kindle to come in and instantly become a difference maker in a complex defense like this? Even Mayo said he didn't really fully understand the defense until this year!

All in all, I will wait until after the draft to really start worrying b/c there's always a chance of a trade (a la Moss 2007) and the Pats should be able to add 4 very good players if they do their homework. I don't see any big time additions after the draft though, unless we make another Burgess-type deal in July/August, because I don't think there will be a ton of veterans sent packing, contrary to what Jonathan Kraft has said. Maybe it'll feel nice being the underdogs again, as the Jets seem to think they're a lock to win the division and are headed to the SB already.

Well thought out post. Let me be the devil's advocate to some of your comments.
-Could it be that we didnt want to give a 5th for Santonio Holmes because he is such a loser that his own team was going to cut him?
-Could it be that BB feels Cromartie is a poor player, and echoes the comments I have read that he runs away from contact consistently?
-While you say Burgess didn't fit our system, I think he fit our largest need, a pass rusher in the sub package. He played as many snaps as most starters. HAD HE been as effective as he was in the past, it would have been a great move shoring up a big weakness. In the end, it was the right idea, but wrong assessment of where the player was at in his career.

As far as the rest of your comments, particularly the defense, I think that if you look back at the history of the Patriots under BB with the exception of 2007, our success has been much more about the lack of weaknesses (including the quality of depth) than about the strengths.
I think that shoring up the weak areas has been a work in progress since 2007 (my personal belief is that from 05-07 managing our roster and cap was forced to be an exercise in mitigating the damage because it was going to be impossible to retain or likewise replace the roster).
I think that the secondary is the best we've had since then, BEFORE anything is added in the draft or FA, and the youth now has experience. I think that Lewis/Wright are far from a liability at RDE, but we still need an inside rusher for sub packages to emerge. I think that the LB position is about half way there, and finishing the job (whether that means health from Crable and McKenzie, draft picks, FAs or all of the above) makes us a sturdy, liability free defense.
I think too many Pats fans have individual stars in their mind when reviewing the success of this franchise and not enough focus on the fact that we won because there werent liabilities surrounding them, not becausde the stars were there.
 
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5th option: Undecided, need to wait to see how the draft works out to do more evaluation.

I'm with you on this sentiment, Brady2Welker...............
Let's see how things look "Apres-Draft"!
 
i will revert after the draft
 
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Well thought out post. Let me be the devil's advocate to some of your comments.
-Could it be that we didnt want to give a 5th for Santonio Holmes because he is such a loser that his own team was going to cut him?
-Could it be that BB feels Cromartie is a poor player, and echoes the comments I have read that he runs away from contact consistently?
-While you say Burgess didn't fit our system, I think he fit our largest need, a pass rusher in the sub package. He played as many snaps as most starters. HAD HE been as effective as he was in the past, it would have been a great move shoring up a big weakness. In the end, it was the right idea, but wrong assessment of where the player was at in his career.

As far as the rest of your comments, particularly the defense, I think that if you look back at the history of the Patriots under BB with the exception of 2007, our success has been much more about the lack of weaknesses (including the quality of depth) than about the strengths.
I think that shoring up the weak areas has been a work in progress since 2007 (my personal belief is that from 05-07 managing our roster and cap was forced to be an exercise in mitigating the damage because it was going to be impossible to retain or likewise replace the roster).
I think that the secondary is the best we've had since then, BEFORE anything is added in the draft or FA, and the youth now has experience. I think that Lewis/Wright are far from a liability at RDE, but we still need an inside rusher for sub packages to emerge. I think that the LB position is about half way there, and finishing the job (whether that means health from Crable and McKenzie, draft picks, FAs or all of the above) makes us a sturdy, liability free defense.
I think too many Pats fans have individual stars in their mind when reviewing the success of this franchise and not enough focus on the fact that we won because there werent liabilities surrounding them, not becausde the stars were there.

You make some good points. Regarding Holmes, I haven't heard anything bad about his dedication to the team, his work ethic, and/or the type of teammate he is. I know he's had some run-ins off the field but I don't think he's a guy that would kill a locker room like a Terrell Owens. I've always been a fan of Cromartie b/c he excels in man press coverage and has great ball skills. He may not be the most willing run defender, but neither was Asante Samuel, who I would definitely take back. I will admit I was hopeful and excited when we traded for Burgess even though we gave up a 3rd rounder, but he did not have a great enough impact to warrant giving up a 3rd for him. I can't condone giving up a 3rd rounder for a situational pass rusher.

I like Wright a lot at RDE, but I know Reiss has doubted his ability to hold up as a starter. I don't know much of Lewis or if/how he will be able to transition to the 3-4 base defense. I'm very high on the secondary as well, and I love a potential Meriweather-Chung duo at safety. I also love the potential of Butler and am still high on Wilhite even if others are not. I think OLB are where the real problems lie. Still hoping for Crable to contribute, but this needs to be addressed in the draft, as we really struggled to get heat on opposing QB's last year. On offense, I'd like to see a RB added in the mid to late rounds and another threat at WR.

I do think that we are slowly building up a team with solid depth, but it is going to take time. And I also feel that the Pats are, at this time, viewed as a worse team than they truly are b/c of "names."
 
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