Great Win, but Let's Not Blow it Out of Proportion

[maverick4]

The statement was 'any bum could come in and throw for 400 yards' vs the 2005 Pats.
Just pointing out how far off that statement was.

So now you're nit picking and ignoring the overall point, since you can't back up your own original argument?

Nice.

 

[Ring 6]

So now you're nit picking and ignoring the overall point, since you can't back up your own original argument?

Nice.

I don't think that when your opinion is 'any bum could do it' when exactly no one did, it is nitpicking.

 

[PatsDeb]

Put it in the books and move on, I agree...

But you have to ask yourself why the Titans had no idea how to run in the snow. There were a lot of Pats on the field who don't have a lot of experience in the snow either, but that didn't seem to matter. At least not to the tune of 59-0! Brady said that the snow may have been an advantage to our offense, but you have to wonder why the same wasn't true for the Titans'. Why did our defense play so much better - not just better but in another universe better. These were two unevenly matched NFL teams playing in the same conditions.

The Patriots could take this game and probably next week and launch to the top of the league again despite whether or not ESPN wants them to. This was the biggest demolition of an NFL team I have ever seen. The Patriots prolly wouldn't win 59-0 on a dry field, but a 28-0 shutout would have been probable at this point. The Pats-Titans looked like Williams vs. USC.

Oh, and BTW, Jeff Fisher should resign after that mess.

I don't think they even had the right shoes. They were completely ill-prepared for bad weather and could not make any adjustments whatsoever. Rather remarkable, since a Nor-Easter was predicted for the game as early as the middle of the week (albeit without the snow). While I agree it is only one game against a crappy team, it allowed us to get our mojo back to a certain extent and to get our younger guys a lot of good experience. Didn't we have rookie or young corners for most of the game too? Weren't we missing our starting outside linebacker? And starting a 40 yr. old inside one who just joined the team this week? At some point you can't make these arguments and have to show up and play. While we shouldn't go overboard, it was a great win that can be a springboard for the rest of the season.

 

[maverick4]

I don't think that when your opinion is 'any bum could do it' when exactly no one did, it is nitpicking.

You're clearly not that obtuse to understand the overall point of that sentence, which was that throwing on Tennessee doesn't say anything about Brady being 'back' to 2007 form. Beating two rookie corners in the snow doesn't say anything about our ability to beat a contender.

Why keep pretending that you're not just nit picking? You are focusing on a minor point not related to the thread, because you can't support your own un-related argument that you previously made...and are bitter about it.

 

[Kontradiction]

The way that I am looking at this game is that, sure, the Titans are a bad team. And you're absolutely right, we were SUPPOSED to win. However, we didn't only win... we beat the piss out of them. Any issues that Brady had hitting his WRs deep look like they have been worked out and will be even more ironed out this weekend in London against a bad Bucs defense. After that, it's the bye week and on to further target practice against Miami's secondary. We should take each of the next two games.

 

[Ring 6]

You're clearly not that obtuse to understand the overall point of that sentence, which was that throwing on Tennessee doesn't say anything about Brady being 'back' to 2007 form. Beating two rookie corners in the snow doesn't say anything about our ability to beat a contender.

Why keep pretending that you're not just nit picking? You are focusing on a minor point not related to the thread, because you can't support your own un-related argument that you previously made...and are bitter about it.

OK so if I say no one could throw for over 100 yards vs Tenn this year, that would be fine because it happening zero times is nitpicking?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

The Titans are the team that when asked in this forum of which winless team would be the last to win a game I picked the Titans because outside of Chris Johnson they are horrid across the board,Now take some of thier better players out of the secondary with injuries and add in a few rookies and on top of that add in a few inches of snow and ice and it is not shock they got beaten badly,same next week for the Bucs who have no offense and the Patriots should win handily again.

I will not be happy until this team puts up a fight to the end and comes out on top on the road,so far 2 road games,2 losses - If they dont beat Indy and/or New Orleans on the road these beat downs mean sh!t when Playoffs come to mind - They must prove themselves against Elite teams like N.O. and Indy,beating up the Sisters Of The Poor is nothing earth shattering other than another win to help them stay in contention.

Not trying to be a Debby Downer but get real folks ..the Titans are the worst team in the NFL right now.and coming off of a 14-2 season BTW and the upcoming Bucs are second worst.

The REAL Patriots will be exposed of whether they are a legit SB contender or not in less than a month when they go to Indy and a few weeks later in N.O.,The Saints are by far the Class of the NFL..After seeing the Giants get trampled I am convinced that the Saints could tie NE with winning 16 RS games and maybe more.

 

[maverick4]

The REAL Patriots will be exposed of whether they are a legit SB contender or not in less than a month when they go to Indy and a few weeks later in N.O.,The Saints are by far the Class of the NFL..After seeing the Giants get trampled I am convinced that the Saints could tie NE with winning 16 RS games and maybe more.

Good post and completely agree.

Yesterday's game didn't say too much about how we will perform against an actual contender. The Titans were dysfunctional, our win was statistically epic, and we haven't learned much about the team.

 

[patriots pam]

• I am going to mark October 18th on my calendar and celebrate The Game TFB Came Back Day every year.
  

• I am going to get my hands on a recording of this game, wrap it up nice, and give it to myself for Christmas AND my birthday.

• I am going to watch random moments of this game from time to time and then tell the BF he can skip the foreplay.

I guess you could call these things blowing it out of proportion, but frankly I just don't care! :woohoo:

 

[NEPatriot]

We have 10 more games to play. 6 of 10 are important. If we win them like yesterday, we are a favorite in SB.

Let hope that TB doesn't come down to earth in the next 3 games.

 

[Synovia]

You're clearly not that obtuse to understand the overall point of that sentence, which was that throwing on Tennessee doesn't say anything about Brady being 'back' to 2007 form. Beating two rookie corners in the snow doesn't say anything about our ability to beat a contender.

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong.

Stomping bad teams correlates to future wins a lot more than beating good teams.


Great teams kill bad opponents. Thats what the patriots did. Mediocre teams let bad teams hang around.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong.

Stomping bad teams correlates to future wins a lot more than beating good teams.


Great teams kill bad opponents. Thats what the patriots did. Mediocre teams let bad teams hang around.

That's the dumbest statement I have seen here in quite some time ...

I would have more confidence in the Patriots future of winning in the playoffs by beating a Colts or Saints team by 1 point than have confidence in beating an injury ravaged team like the Titans by 59

Do you really think beating the 0-5 Titans by 59 means more to the future of this teams SB hopes than beating Indy or N.O. by 1 point? - I feel sorry for you if you really believe that.

 

[Synovia]

That's the dumbest statement I have seen here in quite some time ...

I would have more confidence in the Patriots future of winning in the playoffs by beating a Colts or Saints team by 1 point than have confidence in beating an injury ravaged team like the Titans by 59

Do you really think beating the 0-5 Titans by 59 means more to the future of this teams SB hopes than beating Indy or N.O. by 1 point? - I feel sorry for you if you really believe that.

Google Stomps Vs Guts. Do you know what the word "Correlate" means?


Killing bad teams (or good teams) proves you're good. Narrowly beating good teams just proves you were better that day.

Beating Indy by 1 point means absolutely nothing. Beating a team by one point basically means in a rematch, they're just as likely to win as you are.

 

[apple strudel]

Stomping bad teams correlates to future wins a lot more than beating good teams.

1) Correlation != causation, of course
2) What is you basis for making this claim? Can you provide a reference or a source?

All I have to do is read the thread title to know that in general the main point is probably correct. It's just one game. One great game, but not necessarily an indicator of how the rest of the season will go. I certainly hope that it is, but Tennessee had already lost by the time they got on the bus Sunday morning.

 

[Ring 6]

That's the dumbest statement I have seen here in quite some time ...

I would have more confidence in the Patriots future of winning in the playoffs by beating a Colts or Saints team by 1 point than have confidence in beating an injury ravaged team like the Titans by 59

Do you really think beating the 0-5 Titans by 59 means more to the future of this teams SB hopes than beating Indy or N.O. by 1 point? - I feel sorry for you if you really believe that.

But we didnt play the Saints or Colts.
It has now reached the point that winning against the Titans somehow makes us worse than never playing them.
They should have beat Pitt, they should have beaten the Jets.
They werent pathetic until after we made them pathetic.
Regardless, it counts as 1 win. NO more,no less.
However, the way our players played yesterday is nothing but positive and a good harbinger for the rest of the season.
What could you ask any player to have done that they didnt do yesterday?

 

[maverick4]

Here's a companion thread to give people perspective of the roller coaster / extremes that bandwagon fans have gone from week to week, based on a win or loss.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ng-3-2-record-tom-brady-into-perspective.html

 

[apple strudel]

Google Stomps Vs Guts.

All I'm seeing is some comments on footballoutsiders, but no articles.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Here's a companion thread to give people perspective of the roller coaster / extremes that bandwagon fans have gone from week to week, based on a win or loss.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ng-3-2-record-tom-brady-into-perspective.html

F'ing preach it. One thing I have complained about from day one here is the lack of perspective. One week we suck, the next week we're back to the top. Frankly the constant extremes are getting old, but that's normal fans for you huh

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

But we didnt play the Saints or Colts.
It has now reached the point that winning against the Titans somehow makes us worse than never playing them.
They should have beat Pitt, they should have beaten the Jets.
They werent pathetic until after we made them pathetic.
Regardless, it counts as 1 win. NO more,no less.
However, the way our players played yesterday is nothing but positive and a good harbinger for the rest of the season.
What could you ask any player to have done that they didnt do yesterday?

Believe me that when the Patriots win its awesome and I would not have it any other way especially when the sideline is having a party atmosphere

What I am saying is the time to truly celebrate this team is when they beat a high quality opponent which is coming up and Brady looks more like himself again during these games,it feels better to me when we do - For the next 3 weeks (including the bye week) we expect to win those 2 games against subpar teams- its after that when it gets exciting.

 

[Synovia]

1) Correlation != causation, of course
2) What is you basis for making this claim? Can you provide a reference or a source?

All I have to do is read the thread title to know that in general the main point is probably correct. It's just one game. One great game, but not necessarily an indicator of how the rest of the season will go. I certainly hope that it is, but Tennessee had already lost by the time they got on the bus Sunday morning.

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Essentially, winning by less than 10 points is not significant. A team that wins by less than 10 points, against any opponent, has no statistical advantage against that opponent later in the season. Killing bad teams is more predictive than closely beating good teams.