Michael Vick

[moosekill]

Everyone breaks the law. It's pretty much impossible not to.

Yep that is true, but there are varying degrees of breaking the law, and while it is easy to break them, it takes some work to break them as thoroughly as Mr. Vick did.

 

[Michael]

I didn't like him before it was revealed what a low life he is. I hope to God he never dons a Patriot's uniform. I've said it before and I say it again. You can always judge a person by the way they treat animals.

 

[Kal El]

He tortured and murdered dogs for sport and pleasure. THAT, my newbie friend, is a spiritual crime against nature.

That I totally agree with you.

Yes that was my first post but I have lurked here since 2004.

I just don't like to post and I can't stand the crap that goes on at the ESPN NE message board.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

I'm still wondering why anyone thinks the Patriots are going to play a wildcat offense? Where is the value in taking the ball out of Tommy's hands?

Thank you. I don't see any reason why the Pats wouldn't want to be able to run an occasional wildcat but there's a Vast Difference between being able to run an occasional wildcat within your existing team structure, and signing a QB with tons of baggage in order to make the wildcat become your way of life

Miami kicked our * with the wildcat and it's become infamous ever since. While it's always nice to have an option it's hard to see us purposefully underutilizing Brady as our gameplan

 

[Leave No Doubt]

I'm not saying I want him on the Patriots and I'm not saying I don't.... But after two years in prison, if he gives an honest effort to be a better person, and shows himself a changed man, I would like to see some team, any team, give him a chance to play again....

Let thee without sin throw the first stone. Or whatever the hell the biblical quote is.......

I believe in giving people second chances so long as they live up to that second chance.....

I agree with you except let it all happen Elsewhere. The Pats want that Lombardi this year and they're way too wrapped in winning to sign Vick's baggage. PETA protests, opposing fans (and maybe some of our own,who knows) holding up signs picturing dead and bloodied dogs,... no thank you,not this year. Signing Micheal Vick would be way too much bs and WAY too divisive in such an important year. JMHO

"Checkered past" has many different meanings and it's signifigance varies

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

I normally agree with such observations, but I think the Vick case is different. Why? Because it goes to his fundamental character and way of being, and has shown up elsewhere -- the marijuana "water bottle" in the airport incident, the scandal where he was charged by a woman who contracted herpes from him, etc. I'll never forget how he mailed it in during that cold night game in Chicago, where all he cared about was bundling up on the bench and the Falcons were shut out. I think he's a narcissist who lacks a conscience. He outright lied to the Falcons on numerous occasions and they want nothing to do with him. Neither should the Pats.

Thank you tunescribe..

He played Auther Blank like a fiddel... the dog fighting is bad enough, and if the Humanie society takes em back , there fooled too.. He lied about drugs, the herpes, the dog fighting, not to mention he was a avg Qb, that some people in the media forget..

 

[State]

I think people are entitled to a second chance if 1) they've fulfilled their debt to society, which Vick soon will do; and 2) they demonstrate contrition.

The jury's still out on #2.

Of course the PETA wingnuts think he's a Ted Bundy who needs a Brain Scan. Come again? But they also think KFC is perpetuating a "holocaust," which is a grotesquely stupid allegation.

We eat meat and wear leather, PETA be dog-derned. Animal rights activists lower human rights, which some posters here unconsciously have engaged in by saying what Vick did was only incrementally less worse than Rae Carruth's murdering, which has landed him in jail for life, as opposed to 23 months.

Give my a break. Murder of human beings is infinitely worse, worse even than the evil torture of animals, which I've read happens at slaughter houses in Matthew Scully's book _Dominion_. You know, where we get our cellophane-covered steak and hamburger.

Sometimes I think I should become a vegetarian for ethical and moral reasons.

Not all people who treat animals well are good--Hitler and the NAZIs were big animal rights activists and lovers--but all who mistreat animals are bad. I learned that from Dennis Prager.

People don't make enough of Vick's spreading a life-long STD in an unconscionable way to an unsuspecting girlfriend.

That said, people are too quick to dismiss what Vick could bring to this football team if he's truly reformed in his character. Put him at H-back or RB in the redzone. See what happens.

As former KC head coach Herm Edwards has said on ESPN, "There's something in the water up there [New England]." He said we can take players with checkered pasts, like current draft pick Brandon Tate, whom I can assure you is no boy scout, and reform them.

Just realize what a poor character guy Artrell Hawkins is in reality. I like RayClays input on http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ested-dui-ohio-page2.html#post560829RayClay's.

Why would it be any different with Vick? Spending nearly two years in jail, seeing his fortune and good name (except in some quarters) vanish, has got to change a man. Hopefully for the better for his case.

But we should be leery. But not close-minded at the prospect of Vick running back kickoffs or running the ball for us.

Total freakin' nightmare for the opposing defenses. They would have to play the pass simultaneously to the run, which Vick is an extraordinarily talented athlete to successfully bring about.

Here's a very intelligent NYT blog entry on the topic:What Does Vick Have to Do to Satisfy You? - The Fifth Down Blog - NYTimes.com

 

[eom]

"There's something in the water up there [New England]."

there's something in vick's water, too.

just say NO to vick!

the only nightmare would be for the fans, the pats pr dept., and the players and coaching staff that has to put up w/all the bs.

you are correct --- he paid his debt, and I'm not looking to torture the man.
let him get on w/his life at that $10/hour construction job, far from the national spotlight.

 

[MetalBleachers]

Vick might go to the UFL, which would work for everyone: he gets playing time and a chance for redemption (at least in a PR sense), the UFL gets publicity (any of which is good for a start-up) and the NFL gets Vick out of their hair, at least for a season.

 

[State]

If Vick joins the team in Aug./Sept., assuming the commish lets him, he'll corrupt Moss.

The two of them will be spotted doing this on Rte. 128, no doubt.

 

[mgteich]

1) Sure, it's terrible to have pit bulls fight for your pleasure. And also it terrible to bet on chicken fighting.

2) There are many players who have beaten their wives and girlfriends. The league usually lookes the other way, as does the suthorities and fans. Many players have been involved in many criminal acts including much violence. This is considered macho and is often ignored by the authorities and the fans.

3) Vick is one of the realtively few that has done the crime and paid with his time in prison. If he didn't serve enough time, then the law should be changed. In any case, he should be allowed to go back to society at his chosen profession if he is still able.

4) Vick is probably good enough to play football. It is up to the commissioner whether he plays in the NFL.

5) The patriots have no need for Vick.

6) Vick would likely be starting and not in jail if he were white. This is simply sad but true. A black man setting up gambling on pit bulls and killing the failures is just not acceptable and is punishable by a lifetime of being out of football.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

6) Vick would likely be starting and not in jail if he were white. This is simply sad but true. A black man setting up gambling on pit bulls and killing the failures is just not acceptable and is punishable by a lifetime of being out of football.

let me be the first to say, leave that crap out of this forum. It'll start sh*t that has nothing to do with football.

not to mention its an incredibly stupid statement

 

[Tunescribe]

Vick would likely be starting and not in jail if he were white. This is simply sad but true. A black man setting up gambling on pit bulls and killing the failures is just not acceptable and is punishable by a lifetime of being out of football.

Yup, that's right. Federal laws are racist. State laws are racist. Arthur Blank is racist. The NFL commissioner is racist.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Yup, that's right. Federal laws are racist. State laws are racist. Arthur Blank is racist. The NFL commissioner is racist.

I'd like to let this go but but you're missing the point with your baying rhetoric. Black men are consistently given stiffer sentences for the same crimes than white men are, this is a cold, hard fact, that's not arguable. Why black men get more jail time is open to much debate, but not that they do get more time for the same crime.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

I'd like to let this go but but you're missing the point with your baying rhetoric. Black men are consistently given stiffer sentences for the same crimes than white men are, this is a cold, hard fact, that's not arguable. Why black men get more jail time is open to much debate, but not that they do get more time for the same crime.

I believe his point was that Vick didnt go to jail because of skin color. He wasnt suspended from the nfl over skin color. The falcons want nothing to do with him because of his crime, not skin color.

 

[p8ryts]

I'd like to let this go but but you're missing the point with your baying rhetoric. Black men are consistently given stiffer sentences for the same crimes than white men are, this is a cold, hard fact, that's not arguable. Why black men get more jail time is open to much debate, but not that they do get more time for the same crime.

Yes, you are right but in this case looking at a man that did the crime, did the time, seems genuinely remorseful, his life screwed up beyond any imagined scenario. Give him his life and vocation back and let him make what he will of it. He certainly is not needed in Foxborough in a football sense. Unless he can rush the passer or stuff the run at middle linebacker.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'd like to let this go but but you're missing the point with your baying rhetoric. Black men are consistently given stiffer sentences for the same crimes than white men are, this is a cold, hard fact, that's not arguable. Why black men get more jail time is open to much debate, but not that they do get more time for the same crime.

What the hell does this have to do with the Vick case??? Vick got off a lot lighter than he could and perhaps should have. He was not punished to the full extent of the law. That's also a fact.

 

[State]

Yup, that's right. Federal laws are racist. State laws are racist. Arthur Blank is racist. The NFL commissioner is racist.

Archeology is racist too.

 

[alvinnf]

Skin tone has nothing to do with Vick's crimes. The fact that he is high profile and chose to affront a group more extremist than the taliban,'Dog Lovers'. Or animal rights groups in general. When you are in the public eye such as a starting NFL QB you give these groups liscence to plunder you to advance their groups agenda. Obviously what Mr. Vick did was wrong, but it has less to do with his skin color and more to do with 'Lab Lovers'. If he chose **** fighting he would'nt have gotten in as much trouble, because we all eat chickens and let's face it a tour of the local Purdue plant is pulling on no one's heart strings.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

chose to affront a group more extremist than the taliban,'Dog Lovers'. Or animal rights groups in general.

I know i'll get in trouble, but i can't help it. That WAS funny.