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I like Robiskie, too. A lot, in fact. But that leaves us picking over the free agent trash to fill out the gap at ILB. At WR, I think we have talent, youth, depth and some upside with or without Robiskie.

And yeah, Joseph on Day 2 seems like a really safe gamble to me. It's funny all the Barwin love on the board... and even Brinkley gets mock drafted over and over... but Joseph gets almost nothing. It's not all about the measurables!

I think you may be under-estimating my love for the Kaiser. When it comes to Inside Line-backer I'm a one-man dog.

"Talent, youth, depth" at wide receiver? Who are you thinking of? (Not Joey, God love him, that's for sure!)

But look, I'm not a draftnik. I'm just piggy-backing on your efforts (intrigued by the White, Pascoe and Morestead picks too) to endorse my binkie. Don't take me seriously anyone. Carry on!
 
I think you may be under-estimating my love for the Kaiser. When it comes to Inside Line-backer I'm a one-man dog.

"Talent, youth, depth" at wide receiver? Who are you thinking of? (Not Joey, God love him, that's for sure!)

But look, I'm not a draftnik. I'm just piggy-backing on your efforts (intrigued by the White, Pascoe and Morestead picks too) to endorse my binkie. Don't take me seriously anyone. Carry on!

lol =D love your approach

Well by WR youth, I was thinking Lewis... but you're right to call me out. He's a project and he's new, but he's 28, so that's middling-old.

White is a player that I think Belichick can use to make opposing coaches a little crazy. Remember back when he'd bring Michael Bishop in for Bledsoe on random downs, for a change of pace... just to give the opposing D something to think about. Now, Bishop isn't a real flattering comparison, but I think White is a Bishop of a completely different caliber. Also, if the QB experiment doesn't pan out, he doubles as a fairly promising WR prospect and a ST star. As a pure WR the appeal is the fact that he's a natural football player and will be a real pro's pro. If BB could make David Givens look like a star, he'll make White into an all pro. I think of Randal-El, who did some damage against us in his time. Versatility.

White is a luxury pick, and the product of the fact that we can afford to take a chance on a guy with a high upside, at a point in the draft when most other teams are trying to patch major gaps in their roster.

Pascoe: Frankly, so late in the draft there are a dozen guys who'd be decent long shots for the team. The remaining needs are TE, OT, DL, FB, P, LS and ST. That late in the draft, it's a crap shoot for anyone to earn meaningful time on the field. Pascoe is a Fresno connection, and that unquestionably a draw. The weakness of our TE corp is in run blocking, so for a late rounder I was looking for someone to play on the line. He's a tough guy and culture fit. He's got the work ethic and size and cares about football. Let's see if he can contribute on ST and at FB as his vehicle onto the roster.

The punter Morestead is a guy with a huge leg and good smarts. I don't know how best to scout punters, but I know punting has a lot to do with technique, which means teaching. BB is a ST coach, at his core, and so I was looking for someone with good fundamentals, the raw physical skills and a guy that is teachable. This kid sounds like he has the power and the work ethic to be coached into a weapon in the field-position game. Downside is that he doesn't have experience as a holder, which is an absolute must before he'll take uniform for the Pats. But, I'm thinking that is teachable, too. Morestead's competition for the best P prospect is Kevin Huber, who has the benefit of being a holder on FGs in college (Morestead was K and P on his team, so no holding experience). Huber, tho, sounds a little wild in his punting technique, which turned me off. Belichick turned Vinatieri into a legend, has turned Gostkowski into the best K in the NFL after just a few years. I'm hoping he does the same to solidify the P spot.

The best pick in the 6th and 7th would probably be some ST star... which usually means a 6'0 185# FS or WR with great footspeed, peripheral vision and tackling skills. Like Slater, or Guss Scott and Dexter Reid from previous years. Few draft sites spend any time marking which of the prospects are great ST players on coverage and return units.

Also, remember, we need to replace Izzo this year. I'm not sure we have that person on the roster today. Izzo's role on ST is for someone a little bigger and more physical than the Slater-Scott-Reid clones. Maybe Guyton, Redd or Ruud will step into a leadership role on ST. Or Alexander. Frankly, a guy like Barwin would be pretty much ideal. I regret that we couldn't keep Justin Rogers on the roster from a few years back... I think he would have been solid.
 
Agreed...Mack & Luigs are two outstanding center prospects who seem close to "pure" centers to me. I lean toward Wood because he seems more evenly suited to C & OG.

Actually, I think guard is going to be Luigs's primary position in the NFL. How I see those guys shaking out:

Mack - Center. Some think all good centers can play guard, and I used to be one of them, but that's not really the case. Guards have to be much stronger and move better laterally. Centers almost always get blocking help up front. I think Mack falls into that category, plus I think he struggles a bit to hit moving targets, which is a death knell for a Scarneccia guard.

Unger - Guard primarily. Possibly Center. I don't think he is good enough in space to play NFL tackle except in short yardage run situations. I guess he could play RT in a pinch.

Luigs - Guard. For as much as I like Luigs, I think his weakness is his lower body strength. He's a notch below the others in lateral agility, but I like his ability to get out to the second level quickly. I think he might be the best in the draft at that. When looking for an ILB candidate for the Pats, Luigs is the guy we're talking about when we wonder how good he's going to be at stuffing guards. Tangent - I guess they don't do it for the injury factor, but I think squats would be a much more effective gauge of prospects' strength than bench presses at the Combine.

Wood - Anywhere. I think he's ultimately going to end up at right guard or right tackle, but he could easily play center or left guard....and I think with some coaching, he could be an above-average left tackle in a few years, much like Jason Peters. His athleticism and technique are really outstanding. He might have as long and distinguished a career as the last offensive lineman we drafted out of Louisville. (Warning -- not actually fact-checking this)
 
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23 OLB connor barwin
34 CB sean smith
47 OL eric wood
58 DE jarron gilbert
89 OT gerald cadogan
97 ILB jasper brinkley
124 S courtney greene
170 RB ian johnson
199 OL lydon murtha
207 TE bear pascoe
234 LB josh mauga
 
Without looking ahead:

23 - Larry English, OLB

34 - Louis Delmas, S

47 - Clint Sintim, ILB

58 - Jarron Gilbert, DE

89 - Jonathan Luigs, G

97 - Troy Kropog, OT

WITH looking:

23 - Darius Butler, CB

34 - Larry English, OLB

47 - Louis Delmas, S

58 - Jarron Gilbert, DE

89 - Jasper Brinkley, ILB

97 - Jonathan Luigs, G
 
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Ok Here Goes....

#23: Eben Britton, OT
#34: Robert Ayers. DE
#47: Patrick Chung, SS
#58: Herman Johnson, OG
#89: Massaquoi, WR
#97: Ellerbe, LB
#124: Richard Quinn, TE
#170: Quinn Johnson, FB
#199: Joe Burnett, CB
#207:Henry Melton, DE
#234:Al Alfalvala, S
 
Trade: #23 and #58 to the Cardinals for #31 #63 and #95

Trade: #89 (3a) and #95 (3b) #124 (4) to the Vikings for #54

Trade #31 and #63 and #199 to the Browns for #36 and #50

note all trades passed trade calculator.


#34: Sean Smith - S/CB tweener who may alter the position forever
#36: Barwin - OLB, if gone, Sintim (ILB or OLB)
#47: Jarron Gilbert - DE - the man to replace Seymour
#50: Jamon Meredith - OT - year at RT, then LT
#54: Duke Robinson - OG - stud
#97: Chip Vaughn - SS - stud
#170: Antone Smith - Faulk understudy? - or Clemons FS as a value pick
#207: Vaughn Martin NT (raw, but physically gifted)
#234: trade forward to '10
 
#23 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St
#34 Ron Brace DT Boston College
#47 Patrick Chung SS Oregon
#58 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose St
#89 Gerald Cadogan OT Penn St
#97 David Viekune OLB, HI
#124 Kory Sheets RB Purdue
#170 Louis Vasquez OG Texas Tech
#199 Brooks Foster WR North Carolina
#207 Bear Pascoe, TE/LS Fresno
#234 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
 
The punter Morestead is a guy with a huge leg and good smarts. I don't know how best to scout punters, but I know punting has a lot to do with technique, which means teaching. BB is a ST coach, at his core, and so I was looking for someone with good fundamentals, the raw physical skills and a guy that is teachable. This kid sounds like he has the power and the work ethic to be coached into a weapon in the field-position game. Downside is that he doesn't have experience as a holder, which is an absolute must before he'll take uniform for the Pats. But, I'm thinking that is teachable, too. Morestead's competition for the best P prospect is Kevin Huber, who has the benefit of being a holder on FGs in college (Morestead was K and P on his team, so no holding experience). Huber, tho, sounds a little wild in his punting technique, which turned me off. Belichick turned Vinatieri into a legend, has turned Gostkowski into the best K in the NFL after just a few years. I'm hoping he does the same to solidify the P spot.

Now punting is the one thing I DO know something about.

I just can't believe that a professional punter can shank a kick. That's like a pro golfer shanking the ball or a pro tennis player doing an airshot on an overhead smash. The thing is that, if you've repeated the skill enough, it should be second nature (is it Malcolm Gladwell who has been putting out this 10,000 hours idea? you practise any skill for that long and you'll master it). I put it down to the fact that these people don't come from a culture where foot-eye co-ordination is second nature.

I don't think that special teams coaches are necessarily people who can instruct punters or kickers. The principal skill is designing coverage schemes, teaching players to block and tackle and so on. The skill of punting is just completely different. BB is awfully well informed about an awful lot of things, but I don't believe that punting is one of them.

I would like the Patriots to have a punter who never shanked the ball. I'd also like to question the conventional wisdom that what you need always is to punt the ball high enough so that you never out-kick your coverage. Punts that bounce create mayhem for returners. Not to mention that rolling out and kicking to the sidelines is completely safe. In other words, I'd like to see punting that was much more varied and imaginative. I'd also like a punter who doesn't kick it into the end zone -- ever! (That's really not too much to ask -- if you're close enough to reach the end zone, you should be close enough to reach the side-lines inside the 20).

But, above all, I just want a punter who doesn't give me a heart attack every time we have to punt.

I'm not optimistic about all of this, but, if the worst I have to complain about on the Patriots is the punting, I'm blessed!
 
I didn't want this thread to die out, so I figured I'd add mine in there.
Here are the two trades I made:
23+89 = 18
124+199= 117

18 Brian Cushing ILB USC
Already discussed this pick to death, wouldn't trade up for him in real life, but considering I know what I could get with the rest of my draft, I'd do it here.

34 Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
Nothing really needs to be said here either.

47 Louis Delmas S Western Michigan
Had a tough time choosing between Delmas, Moore and Chung as all have good qualities, but Delmas' ability to be a playmaker against the run and pass make him the pick. Would form a potent partnership with Meriweather.

58 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State
Great value here and gives us insurance in case we can't resign Seymour.

97 T.J. Lang OL Eastern Michigan
Versatile blocker who could backup any position on the line and compete for a starting spot at RG/RT.

117 Troy Kropog OT Tulane
Athletic tackle who also could handle playing LT/RT/OG. Think he has the skills to be able to be our future LT. At very least would make the roster as the backup swing tackle.

170 Mike Wallace WR Ole Miss
Super value here as well. Good size and speed and is also very dangerous as a returner. Pretty successful with poor QB play at Ole Miss, imagine what he could do with all that speed with Brady getting him the ball.

207 Joe Burnett CB UCF
Great KR skills, but could also earn playing time at CB.

234 Brandon Walker OG Oklahoma
Three OL might be too many, but it seems that after our starters we lack any real talent here. And considering our free agency situation after this year, I wouldn't be disappointed if we loaded up on the position. This guy is a prospect on the rise and after a year or two on the prospect squad could develop into a pretty good player.

I think this draft would help us gain youth and speed on defense, while also drastically improving our special teams play. My hope that it would offer some quality starters, while also keeping us from having to keep players on the roster such as Alexander (and Izzo, Matt Chatham, Don Davis...etc in the past) that were only special teamers and offered very little elsewhere.

As far as the positions that I didn't draft, I don't think that a rookie is going to beat out Hanson or Gutierrez, basically just because of their experience. I'd definitely sign a couple of UDFA QBs and Punters though for camp competition. I think we are set with 4 solid options at RB and I think the Barwin pick would give us the option of using him or David Thomas as the fullback/H-Back.
 
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I didn't want this thread to die out, so I figured I'd add mine in there.
Here are the two trades I made:
23+89 = 18
124+199= 117

18 Brian Cushing ILB USC
Already discussed this pick to death, wouldn't trade up for him in real life, but considering I know what I could get with the rest of my draft, I'd do it here.

34 Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
Nothing really needs to be said here either.

47 Louis Delmas S Western Michigan
Had a tough time choosing between Delmas, Moore and Chung as all have good qualities, but Delmas' ability to be a playmaker against the run and pass make him the pick. Would form a potent partnership with Meriweather.

58 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State
Great value here and gives us insurance in case we can't resign Seymour.

97 T.J. Lang OL Eastern Michigan
Versatile blocker who could backup any position on the line and compete for a starting spot at RG/RT.

117 Troy Kropog OT Tulane
Athletic tackle who also could handle playing LT/RT/OG. Think he has the skills to be able to be our future LT. At very least would make the roster as the backup swing tackle.

170 Mike Wallace WR Ole Miss
Super value here as well. Good size and speed and is also very dangerous as a returner. Pretty successful with poor QB play at Ole Miss, imagine what he could do with all that speed with Brady getting him the ball.

207 Joe Burnett CB UCF
Great KR skills, but could also earn playing time at CB.

234 Brandon Walker OG Oklahoma
Three OL might be too many, but it seems that after our starters we lack any real talent here. And considering our free agency situation after this year, I wouldn't be disappointed if we loaded up on the position. This guy is a prospect on the rise and after a year or two on the prospect squad could develop into a pretty good player.

I think this draft would help us gain youth and speed on defense, while also drastically improving our special teams play. My hope that it would offer some quality starters, while also keeping us from having to keep players on the roster such as Alexander (and Izzo, Matt Chatham, Don Davis...etc in the past) that were only special teamers and offered very little elsewhere.

As far as the positions that I didn't draft, I don't think that a rookie is going to beat out Hanson or Gutierrez, basically just because of their experience. I'd definitely sign a couple of UDFA QBs and Punters though for camp competition. I think we are set with 4 solid options at RB and I think the Barwin pick would give us the option of using him or David Thomas as the fullback/H-Back.

If you substitute Malcolm Jenkins for Cushing at #18, this would be one heck of a good draft. I love the Walker pick. He may end up being the best Oklahoma OL to come out in this draft. I like him better than Loadholt or Robinson for the Pats.
 
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Oops, meant Cushing, not Curry - subliminal thought processes are hard to eradicate.
 
I edited your inaccurate post. I think that was all that was needed rather than two more posts.

Oops, meant Cushing, not Curry - subliminal thought processes are hard to eradicate.
 
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