Patsfans Draft Forum Patriots Mock- The Grand Finale*

[BPF]

23. Evander Hood DE/DT Missouri
34. Aaron Maybin OLB Penn State
47. Louis Delmas S Western Michigan
58. Jarron Gilbert DE/DT San Jose State
89. Gerald Cadogan OT Penn State
97. Jason Williams ILB Western Illinois
124. Sammie Lee Hill DT Stillman
170 Roger Allen OG Missouri Western State
199. Joe Burnett CB UCF
207 Devin Moore RB Wyoming
234. Jamarko Simmons WR Western Michigan

Definitely too many DL and too many small school guys.

Mayock stated yesterday on NFLN thay a scout told him that if the game was played on skates Ziggy Hood would be an all-pro. Too weak in run support, he is a 2nd/3rd RD prospect any other year but the weak talent at DT pushes him up the board this year. Probably will be overdrafted.

 

[StyLeZ X]

Massaquoi at #58?

apparently he's flying up the draft board to the 2nd round

 

[Grizzafted]

23 - Larry English

34 - Brandon Pettigrew

47 - Louis Delmas (probably won't last that long)

58 - Duke Robinson

89 - Pat White

97 - Javon Ringer

 

[BPF]

I tried hard to resist but couldn't.

1- #13 (from Washington Redskins) CB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio St*
*Trade w/Washington Redskins. Pats trade #23 + #58 (2nd RD) + #124 (4th RD) for #13 and a 2010 5th RD pick. With only 5 picks in this draft and all the top tier OT’s off the board the Redskins slide down 10 spots and pick up 2 extra picks in this year’s draft. The Pats use the flexibility that 11 draft picks affords you and move up to pick the most physical CB in the draft and the top DB on their board. Many scouts have compared Jenkins to former Ohio St and current Patriots CB Shawn Springs and he’ll get a chance to learn from Springs now. Jenkins is flexible and will help at CB and S while also contributing heavily on ST’s where he is an excellent performer. He’s blocked several punts at Ohio St and with the new wedge rules, smaller, physical and faster players will be needed on ST.

2- #34 (from Kansas City) OLB Larry English, Northern Illinois U.
Pats get their pass rusher in RD 2 who can also set the edge. Instead of drafting a conversion player in RD 1 they take advantage of the fact that less experienced defensive players in Matthews and Barwin moved up draft boards quickly leading up to the draft and despite being temped to move up hold steady at 34 and land a talented defender who’ll contribute immediately. English is a natural athlete with excellent initial quickness and burst. Closes fast and motor runs consistently. Is intense and smart with great character and intangibles. Very productive and experienced defender who slides to RD 2 because of slower 40.

2- #47 (from San Diego) G/C Eric Wood, Louisville
Adds depth and versatility immediately while also protecting the Pats against Mankins or Neal leaving via free agency in 2010. Smart, tough, competitive, aggressive, durable player who is surprisingly agile for a player his size. Has ability to develop into solid starter at G or C.

3-#84 (from Denver) SS Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest*
*Trade w/Denver Broncos. Pats trade #89 (3rd RD) + #199 (6th RD) + 6th RD pick in 2010 for #84. Vaughn is a hard hitting safety with impressive size-speed ratio. Good athlete with good change of direction skills who always seems under control. Can also help on ST’s, is an excellent gunner. A converted WR who will take some time to develop into a starter but can contribute as a #3 safety and ST’s player immediately.

3-#97 (comp selection) ILB Jason Williams, Western Illinois
Strong and athletic player who excels in coverage and as a blitzer and will be able to fill specialized role on defense initially while also excelling on STs.

4th RD – None. Traded to Washington Redskins.

5-#170 (comp selection) ILB Frantz Joseph, Florida Atlantic
Physical player with long arms who can step up, stack and shed. Really physical tackler who unloads on ballcarriers with force. Excellent tackler with motor that always runs. Always give 100% effort.

6-#207 (comp selection) WR Brooks Foster, North Carolina
Talented player loaded with upside and athleticism (walked on to Tarheels 2005 NCAA champion basketball team) who was overshadowed by a deep receiving crew and underutilized in college. Tracks the ball well and makes difficult catches. Snatches the ball. Also very strong, benched 27 reps at the Combine. Reminds some of former Tarheel and current Raiders WR Ronald Curry who was selected in the 7th RD in 2002.

7-#234 DL Will Johnson, Michigan
Naturally strong player, put up a whopping 47 reps at Michigan pro day. Big, strong, super effort, smart, overachieving type who at 6-4, 300 reminds some of current Patriots DL Mike Wright. Can contribute at DE and NT and is stout vs the run, was key to Michigan's 4-2-5 scheme.

 

[Patriot Missile]

23 William Beatty OT Connecticut
34 Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
47 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State
58 William Moore SS Missouri
89 Andy Levitre OG Oregon State
97 Jasper Brinkley ILB South Carolina
124 Trevor Canfield OG Cincinnati
170 Kevin Huber P Cincinnati
199 Devin Moore RB Wyoming
207 Nate Swift WR Nebraska
234 Ryan Purvis TE Boston College

I'll adress CB and DT next year. I had a tough decision between Ron Brace and Jarron Gilbert but athletism won out. I could of taken them both 47 and 58 but I didn't want to miss out on one of the 4 safeties I like a lot in this draft.

 

[rookBoston]

One thing for those fans who are getting really excited about these mock draft classes... dont get too excited. This game is rigged to produce optimum draft results, because we have full control over the board and can change our first round pick after seeing who's available at #57. That doesn't happen in real life.

Now, for those of you who mock-picked Delmas... please please please watch some film on him, especially an interview or two. On the field, the guy is very fast and throws his body around, but he's not a wrap-up tackler. Off the field, he's almost completely inarticulate in his interviews; that, coupled with a 12 on the Wonderlic, strongly suggests to me that HE'S DUMB AS GRANITE. Be careful what you wish for. For me, by far the better picks are Moore, Chung or even Johnson. Moore is my personal binkie at SS, and if he's available at 57 I think he would be be the steal of the draft class.

I really like mgteich's move up to get Everett Brown. Partly because no one at 23 really stands out to me. If you forced my hand, I'd take Darius Butler. But that's not a need to me, with Hobbs, the FAs Springs and Bodden and the two returning 2nd year players.

But rather than imitate his trade up, I'll go the other direction in the first round. Shooting for eight players, all with a legit shot to make the roster:

my trades:
23 = 30 + 94 (from Tennessee)
47 + 124 = 41 (from Green Bay)
89 + 94 + 199 = 74 + 2010 3rd (from SF)

30. ILB James Laurinaitis, will start as a rookie
34. OC Alex Mack, will start as a rookie at RG
41. OLB Larry English, will start as a rookie
58. SS William Moore, future starter
74. QB/WR Patrick White, intriguing play-maker
97. CB/KR Victor Harris, ST ace
170. ILB Franz Joseph, plugger
207. TE Bear Pascoe, bulldozer
234. P Thomas Morstead, big leg

This is pretty close to idea in my book. But also, pretty much impossible to even wish for.

 

[rookBoston]

Oh, and I looked at some Jasper Brinkley film, to understand why the guy wasn't higher on the draft boards given his measurable.

I wanted him to be the real deal. I was looking for a reason to be a fan. Diamond in the rough. Not so much.

You should all watch the YouTube film of Game****s/LSU game. He was pretty much a non-factor on the plays (look for big #52). He made one nice goal line stop, but that was just about it.

And his combine film is just pitiful. He's got lead feet and bad hands in position drills... dropped two easy balls where they lob the ball at you after to turn upfield. He looked terrible. He may have prototypical size and strength, but I've taken him completely off my board. He's clunky and clumsy.

Compare his film to the Draft Guys film breakdown on Franz Joseph, also on You Tube. He sheds blockers and stands up the runner, catches the INT, plays in coverage. I was impressed.

 

[patchick]

One thing for those fans who are getting really excited about these mock draft classes... dont get too excited. This game is rigged to produce optimum draft results, because we have full control over the board and can change our first round pick after seeing who's available at #57. That doesn't happen in real life.

It doesn't happen when I do my mock either. :snob:

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

23 William Beatty OT Connecticut
34 Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
47 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State
58 William Moore SS Missouri
89 Andy Levitre OG Oregon State
97 Jasper Brinkley ILB South Carolina
124 Trevor Canfield OG Cincinnati
170 Kevin Huber P Cincinnati
199 Devin Moore RB Wyoming
207 Nate Swift WR Nebraska
234 Ryan Purvis TE Boston College

I'll adress CB and DT next year. I had a tough decision between Ron Brace and Jarron Gilbert but athletism won out. I could of taken them both 47 and 58 but I didn't want to miss out on one of the 4 safeties I like a lot in this draft.

I would be very happy with this draft

 

[Mike the Brit]

But rather than imitate his trade up, I'll go the other direction in the first round. Shooting for eight players, all with a legit shot to make the roster:

my trades:
23 = 30 + 94 (from Tennessee)
47 + 124 = 41 (from Green Bay)
89 + 94 + 199 = 74 + 2010 3rd (from SF)

30. ILB James Laurinaitis, will start as a rookie WR Brian Robiskie
34. OC Alex Mack, will start as a rookie at RG
41. OLB Larry English, will start as a rookie
58. SS William Moore, future starter
74. QB/WR Patrick White, intriguing play-maker
97. CB/KR Victor Harris, ST ace
170. ILB Franz Joseph, plugger
207. TE Bear Pascoe, bulldozer
234. P Thomas Morstead, big leg

This is pretty close to idea in my book. But also, pretty much impossible to even wish for.

Ah! At last, some Frantz Joseph love!

So, rather than just sticking a pin in, I'll go with the rook's list, just changing Laurinaitis for Brian Robiskie to show I'm no one's poodle.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Oh, and I looked at some Jasper Brinkley film, to understand why the guy wasn't higher on the draft boards given his measurable.

I wanted him to be the real deal. I was looking for a reason to be a fan. Diamond in the rough. Not so much.

You should all watch the YouTube film of Game****s/LSU game. He was pretty much a non-factor on the plays (look for big #52). He made one nice goal line stop, but that was just about it.

And his combine film is just pitiful. He's got lead feet and bad hands in position drills... dropped two easy balls where they lob the ball at you after to turn upfield. He looked terrible. He may have prototypical size and strength, but I've taken him completely off my board. He's clunky and clumsy.

Compare his film to the Draft Guys film breakdown on Franz Joseph, also on You Tube. He sheds blockers and stands up the runner, catches the INT, plays in coverage. I was impressed.

So what I've been saying all along about Brinkley was just there for the seeing? :singing: As for Frantz, surely he'd be more preferable if he shed the blocker and knocked down the runner...

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Ah! At last, some Frantz Joseph love!

So, rather than just sticking a pin in, I'll go with the rook's list, just changing Laurinaitis for Brian Robiskie to show I'm no one's poodle.

Nice haircut, the ribbon may be a bit overdone, but you're otherwise looking very fashionable.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Nice haircut, the ribbon may be a bit overdone, but you're otherwise looking very fashionable.

Is this the picture you had in mind?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Is this the picture you had in mind?

There must be a football discussion going on for you to have that expression and body language.

 

[dryheat44]

30. ILB James Laurinaitis, will start as a rookie
34. OC Alex Mack, will start as a rookie at RG
41. OLB Larry English, will start as a rookie
58. SS William Moore, future starter
74. QB/WR Patrick White, intriguing play-maker
97. CB/KR Victor Harris, ST ace
170. ILB Franz Joseph, plugger
207. TE Bear Pascoe, bulldozer
234. P Thomas Morstead, big leg

This is pretty close to idea in my book. But also, pretty much impossible to even wish for.

Wow. I strongly disagree with the idea the top three are rookie starters. Mack's probably not a better guard than Neal...he has a better chance of starting at C. In fact, the only player on your board I can see as a starter (besides P) is Moore, and that certainly wouldn't be on Opening Day.

Not a bad draft, but I find you lack of faith disturbing.

 

[patchick]

Mack's probably not a better guard than Neal...he has a better chance of starting at C.

Agreed...Mack & Luigs are two outstanding center prospects who seem close to "pure" centers to me. I lean toward Wood because he seems more evenly suited to C & OG.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Picking according to where they are slotted by CBS Sports. No trade projections.

PATRIOTS

23 Connor Barwin OLB
34 Sean Smith CB
47 Jarron Gilbert DE
58 Jamon Meredith OT
89 David Bruton S
97 Jason Williams ILB
124 Kory Sheets RB
170 Roger Allen OG
199 Joe Burnett CB
207 Deon Butler WR
234 Thomas Morstead P

I expect picks 47-89 to be good candidates for trade if good value doesn't slide down to the Pats there. But I figured not making a pick would be a copout since we're not trying to predict the actual draft here anyways. We're drafting according to a set value chart by a single draft resource.

 

[The Hurricane]

TRADE: Pick #34 for Picks #38 and #142
TRADE: Picks #58 and #142 for Pick #55
TRADE: Picks #170 and #207 for Pick #144

(I realize these trades are random and likely won't happen but I made them to avoid cheating with my picks)

23. James Laurinaitis, ILB
38. Patrick Chung, SS
47. Eric Wood, C
55. Andre Brown, RB
89. Stephen McGee, QB
97. Jasper Brinkley, ILB
124. Sammie Lee Hill, DT
144. Tony Fiammetta, FB
199. Terrance Knighton, DT
234. Robert Brewster, OT

 

[rookBoston]

Wow. I strongly disagree with the idea the top three are rookie starters. Mack's probably not a better guard than Neal...he has a better chance of starting at C. In fact, the only player on your board I can see as a starter (besides P) is Moore, and that certainly wouldn't be on Opening Day.

Not a bad draft, but I find you lack of faith disturbing.

Lack of faith? This not about trust, this is about the dynamics of football.

I didn't say any of these guys would start week one the way that Mayo or Mankins did... although that would be a nice surprise. BB tends to bring his rookies on slowly when he can. Meriweather was a rookie starter, although he didn't start till something like Week 12.

But I do believe these guys will start as rookies, otherwise I wouldn't draft them as high as I did. I painfully remember Bobby Grier defending his pick of Chris Canty with the words "I drafted him to be a nickleback for us". wtf? you drafted a guy to play nickleback in the first round?!? No f-ing way. First and early Second rounders need to project as starters for the team, otherwise you really should trade down. Find your nicklebacks and your roster trash in the 4th round and save your top picks for players that are going to play.

Laurinaitis only has Bruschi and Guyton ahead of him. Guyton is more of a warm body than a cornerstone, in my estimation, and Bruschi is playing as a pale shadow of himself. Laurinaitis is a Bruschi-tweaked hammy away from stepping in for good. Over a full season, I have no doubt that Laurinaitis would slip into the spot next to Mayo.

The other guy I spent a lot of thinking about in the first round is Darius Butler. I'm willing to bet he's going to be among the best DBs in the NFL before he retires, but I think he's a really long shot to start as a rookie with Springs, Bodden, Wilhite and Wheatley as his competition. So, I chose towards the roster value at ILB.

I drafted Mack to play C for us in the future, but we've got a pretty good C right now. The real weakness on the roster is at RG where Neal has a hard time playing 16 games, and that's where I think Mack would make his immediate impact on the roster. As for the idea that an elite C cant play at G... all I can say is "huh?" I could see how a G playing at C might struggle with the shotgun snap and line calls, if they're not used to doing that... but playing an elite C at G is a luxury move.

And English has Tully Banta Cain and Pierre Woods ahead of him. He's bigger and stronger than either of them, and once he has the system under him, he's going to be a 3-down force and certainly a strong option on first and second down.

Where's the lack of faith? This seems like a fairly reasonable assessment.

 

[rookBoston]

Ah! At last, some Frantz Joseph love!

So, rather than just sticking a pin in, I'll go with the rook's list, just changing Laurinaitis for Brian Robiskie to show I'm no one's poodle.

I like Robiskie, too. A lot, in fact. But that leaves us picking over the free agent trash to fill out the gap at ILB. At WR, I think we have talent, youth, depth and some upside with or without Robiskie.

And yeah, Joseph on Day 2 seems like a really safe gamble to me. It's funny all the Barwin love on the board... and even Brinkley gets mock drafted over and over... but Joseph gets almost nothing. It's not all about the measurables!