I guess in theory...the Super Bowl Loss curse is true?

[mcgraw_wv]

Well, here we are, fresh off a season after a super loss, and we failed to make the playoffs. Even though I think a season at 11-5 is far from failure, and a bad season, we didn't make it to the show... and therefore, does that make the curse even more powerfull to the point we won 11 games and still didn't make it...

 

[rsd]

Re: I guess in theory... the Super Bowl Loss curse is true?

Sigh...there is no such thing as "curses" nor "karma". They are simply the creations of the simple minded in order to prescribe some higher explanation for every day happenings.

10 years ago we would've killed for an 11 win season, and now its a "curse". Please..

 

[MVPKiller]

Re: I guess in theory... the Super Bowl Loss curse is true?

Well, here we are, fresh off a season after a super loss, and we failed to make the playoffs. Even though I think a season at 11-5 is far from failure, and a bad season, we didn't make it to the show... and therefore, does that make the curse even more powerfull to the point we won 11 games and still didn't make it...

No curse, just a string of bad luck, and one blown game away. I'll take 11-5 without the MVP of the NFL any day of the week. The not making the playoffs curse to me entails that the loser completely falls apart the next year. We far from fell apart, if anything we defied falling apart and drove straight through every bit of adversity.

 

[brdmaverick]

Re: I guess in theory... the Super Bowl Loss curse is true?

ya, think about the 1998 Super Bowl

The Broncos vs. the Falcons.


The next year the Broncos lost QB John Elway to retirement and the Falcons lost RB Jamal Anderson to injury, and they both fell flat on their faces.

The Patriots lost both their QB Tom Brady and RB Laurence Maroney and still had a successful 11-5 season. It took a freak playoff scenario to keep them from the postseason.

 

[signbabybrady]

Re: I guess in theory... the Super Bowl Loss curse is true?

No curse, just a string of bad luck, and one blown game away. I'll take 11-5 without the MVP of the NFL any day of the week. The not making the playoffs curse to me entails that the loser completely falls apart the next year. We far from fell apart, if anything we defied falling apart and drove straight through every bit of adversity.

Yeah I like your thinking here. To say that this season was a failure like other teams who were "super bowl cursed" is not fair to the guys who worked their ass off to overcome the adversity of this season. IMO like last year though the end result was not what we were looking for these guys can hold their heads high knowing they did some special things, there are no losers in that locker room thus there is no one cursed by a "SB losers curse".

 

[NEGoldenAge]

It's interesting. People will take a common saying or concept and apply a much different meaning than the original intent of that concept/saying. People often use the saying "Divide and Conquer" to mean you separate your own forces and conquer, when ironically, it means the exact opposite. Karma is another great example.

The meaning of the curse presented in this thread is a perfect example. The idea of the curse refers to a "hangover" effect of winning a Superbowl that translates into decreased performance, not a plague of injuries.

 

[billdog3484]

yah...we beat the odds but the curse remains in full force

 

[richpats]

Unfortunately our dilemma will only fuel the "curse" talk - no team had gone 11-5 and out in the 12-team format. Typically SB losers just had a crappy year due to injuries (which is where most thought we were headed). Maybe with a tougher schedule that could of been the case.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: I guess in theory... the Super Bowl Loss curse is true?

Sigh...there is no such thing as "curses" nor "karma". They are simply the creations of the simple minded in order to prescribe some higher explanation for every day happenings.

10 years ago we would've killed for an 11 win season, and now its a "curse". Please..

You could say the same about all religion. Yet roughly 90-95% of the worlds population would disagree with you.

As for you statement that "10 years ago we would've kill for an 11 win season" its BS and makes me wonder just how long you've been following the Pats. Since Parcells came on in 1993, the Pats have had 3 losing seasons.

People who claim things like curses and karma are for the simple-minded are really the ones who are simple-minded. Because it is their refusal to believe that there could be things more powerful than we can understand at work in the universe.

The reality is that this is the 2nd time in 7 years that the Patriots have been on the short end of the stick since the league changed the rules regarding tie-breaks back after the 2001 season.

 

[DaBruinz]

It's interesting. People will take a common saying or concept and apply a much different meaning than the original intent of that concept/saying. People often use the saying "Divide and Conquer" to mean you separate your own forces and conquer, when ironically, it means the exact opposite. Karma is another great example.

The meaning of the curse presented in this thread is a perfect example. The idea of the curse refers to a "hangover" effect of winning a Superbowl that translates into decreased performance, not a plague of injuries.

Just a point of clarification. The Curse doesn't refer to the hangover affect of winning the SB. The "curse" refers to the series of instances in which the team that has lost the SB has followed the next season up with a truly horrible one, leaving the team looking as if they hadn't belonged in the SB to begin with.

 

[DaBruinz]

Unfortunately our dilemma will only fuel the "curse" talk - no team had gone 11-5 and out in the 12-team format. Typically SB losers just had a crappy year due to injuries (which is where most thought we were headed). Maybe with a tougher schedule that could of been the case.

One could argue that the Patriots didn't have such an easy schedule.
The Jets and Phins both finished with double digit wins. The Chargers underperformed in most of their games. The Cardinals were clearly better than people predicted, though the Rams, 49ers, Chiefs, and Raiders were all WORSE.

I don't know about anyone else, but if there is a team that has Karma coming back to bite it, it is the Broncos. They placed 7 RBs on the IR this year. Many of them with knee injuries. Could it be that all the years of the Broncos O-line hitting crack-back blocks and not getting calls for it finally caught up to them..

 

[pheenix11]

Some might say that the only way the curse could have affected the Patriots was through injuries since they are so talented.



2000 New York Giants - Lost Super Bowl XXXV
2001 New York Giants - 7-9 record, no playoffs

2001 St. Louis Rams - Lost Super Bowl XXXVI
2002 St. Louis Rams - 7-9 record, no playoffs

2002 Oakland Raiders - Lost Super Bowl XXXVII
2003 Oakland Raiders - 4-12 record, no playoffs

2003 Carolina Panthers - Lost Super Bowl XXXVIII
2004 Carolina Panthers - 7-9 record, no playoffs

2004 Philadelphia Eagles - Lost Super Bowl XXXIX
2005 Philadelphia Eagles - 6-10 record, no playoffs

2005 Seattle Seahawks - Lost Super Bowl XL
2006 Seattle Seahawks - 9-7 record (made playoffs, 1st round exit)

2006 Chicago Bears - Lost Super Bowl XLI
2007 Chicago Bears - 7-9 record, no playoffs

2007 New England Patriots - Lost Super Bowl XLII
2008 New England Patriots - 11-5 record, no playoffs

 

[ausbacker]

Smack bang on my theory of people not reading or searching the board for the threads already started on the subject numerous times.

 

[Jackson 2]

There are no such things as curses, karma, bad luck from walking under ladders, bad luck from black cats crossing one's path, etc. All examples of people ascribing simple reasons for complex occurrences because it's easier and less time-consuming.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

Well, here we are, fresh off a season after a super loss, and we failed to make the playoffs. Even though I think a season at 11-5 is far from failure, and a bad season, we didn't make it to the show... and therefore, does that make the curse even more powerfull to the point we won 11 games and still didn't make it...

Even though Seattle was the only Super Bowl loser that made it since '01, those other SB losers had problems, problems, problems...whether it was 9/11 ruining the Giants season, Al Davis letting the players revolt against Callahan, Carolina losing their ENTIRE OL to FA, TO blowing up the Eagles, the Bears not being able to get by with subpar QB play anymore, etc. I mean those teams just had problems, problems, problems.

Can't say the same with this Pats team.

 

[Disco Volante]

There are no such things as curses, karma, bad luck from walking under ladders, bad luck from black cats crossing one's path, etc. All examples of people ascribing simple reasons for complex occurrences because it's easier and less time-consuming.

Fact.

But to play along, speaking of curses...



Packers: 6-10 / After 13-3 season
Jets: 9-7 / Head coach fired

Double play for Favre!

 

[AzPatsFan]

Until the Belichcik arrived, the best this franchise ever did in forty years was 11-5! :disagreement:

 

[rabthepat]

There are no such things as curses, karma, bad luck from walking under ladders, bad luck from black cats crossing one's path, etc. All examples of people ascribing simple reasons for complex occurrences because it's easier and less time-consuming.

Ya, you said it!!!!!! Like all those fools voting for Barack Obama thinking his is going to magically fix all our problems or those foolish people getting married thinking it makes your life better!!!!!!! Man needs to live on reason!!!!!!!

 

[tombonneau]

Some might say that the only way the curse could have affected the Patriots was through injuries since they are so talented.



2000 New York Giants - Lost Super Bowl XXXV
2001 New York Giants - 7-9 record, no playoffs

2001 St. Louis Rams - Lost Super Bowl XXXVI
2002 St. Louis Rams - 7-9 record, no playoffs

2002 Oakland Raiders - Lost Super Bowl XXXVII
2003 Oakland Raiders - 4-12 record, no playoffs

2003 Carolina Panthers - Lost Super Bowl XXXVIII
2004 Carolina Panthers - 7-9 record, no playoffs

2004 Philadelphia Eagles - Lost Super Bowl XXXIX
2005 Philadelphia Eagles - 6-10 record, no playoffs

2005 Seattle Seahawks - Lost Super Bowl XL
2006 Seattle Seahawks - 9-7 record (made playoffs, 1st round exit)

2006 Chicago Bears - Lost Super Bowl XLI
2007 Chicago Bears - 7-9 record, no playoffs

2007 New England Patriots - Lost Super Bowl XLII
2008 New England Patriots - 11-5 record, no playoffs

People can roll their eyes all they want about "curses", but there is unequivocally a trend among with SB losers missing the playoffs the next year. 7 of the last 8 is a trend and there is no way around it.

Granted, the Pats an odd duck in that they fit the trend but in a most untrendy way, losing their starting QB and NFL MVP in Week 1 and still going 11-5. Regardless, the trend continues ...

 

[PittPatriot]

Re: I guess in theory... the Super Bowl Loss curse is true?

You could say the same about all religion. Yet roughly 90-95% of the worlds population would disagree with you.

People who claim things like curses and karma are for the simple-minded are really the ones who are simple-minded. Because it is their refusal to believe that there could be things more powerful than we can understand at work in the universe.

Hmmm...curses, karma...witches....sounds like Salem talk, my man!