Josh McDaniels exposed

[QuinielaBox]

Commit to the running game, damnit!!!!!

Bad blocking makes for bad OC's because you can't execute plays when you block bad. Question the Line blocking coach if you must.

I heard reports that the OL was not that healthy coming out of training camp and evidently, that has carried over to the regular season.

 

[Fencer]

iam assuming there will be a pats fans exposed thread soon

I was thinking of starting it, actually.

GMTA!

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I am tired of people knee jerk defending McDaniels.....I have questions and had questions last year in the midst of the plethora of points put up by the Pats.

First of all, if anybody...and I mean anybody....has an issue with me saying the play calling during the SB was abysmal, then I really have not hope for you. Not because you disagree with me, but because it was so obviously poor game planning, and worst of all, adjustments. Sorry....that is what I think.

As for this year....I am not ready to hang the guy for the Fish game....the Pat's Defense was offensive to me. But....do any of you think that its about time for them to let Cassell throw the ball down field.....maybe even a little bit? The Offense is very predictable and if me being a dumbasrse fan can see and call it during games, what do you think the DC's of the other teams will do?

Bottom line, while I don't denigreate BB or McDaniels, it is patently obvious that Brady is the most important part of the team by far....not even close. I have faith in BB.....but McDaniels needs to show he can do it, and by it, I mean put up more than 20 points in a game when he doesn't have the greatest QB in the history of the game covering for him.

You have questions, and so do I. Have you ever heard of the NFL concept of pass blocking? It's hard to set up a screen pass when rushers are in your backfield at the snap, let alone take the time to deliver a ball downfield...it's tough to make adjustments to your 5 man OL being physically overpowered by 4 rushers nevermind what happens when your TE is ineffective picking up the blitz. Neal went down early in our last game in February, hasn't been seen since. Kaczur is always an adventure let alone paired up with a backup RT. It's like the trickle down effect, only it trickles left.

I'm tired olf knee jerk posts, period.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Commit to the running game, damnit!!!!!

Bad blocking makes for bad OC's because you can't execute plays when you block bad. Question the Line blocking coach if you must.

I heard reports that the OL was not that healthy coming out of training camp and evidently, that has carried over to the regular season.

They dont run block well consistently either. I know you say you go MIA in the offseason, do you watch the games at all? Neal went out in February (nothing new there) and hasn't been seen since. Kaczur is wildly inconsistent and spent most of the off season wearing a wire and collecting evidence to get out of his predicament over being caught with a stash of prescription painkillers. Light missed most of camp and all but the last pre season game. They still can't zone block effectively for Maroney and he still gets hurt trying to compensate.

It's foolish to commit to something you cannot do well, let alone on the fly. They likely believed they would remain a pass to run team with Brady at the helm. Who'd have imagined that plan would blow up on the second series of the first game.

 

[nepatz11]

I sort of agree with the ghost of ben dreith guy. I saw things last year that made me question him even when we were rolling on offense. Now that there is no Brady we will see what this guy comes up with to get Cassel going not to greatness because Cassel is no TB but respectibility. At the same time Mo Lewis makes a great point we have the most OVERATED o-line in the NFL. Matt Light is a mediocre player at best.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Sorry if there is another McDaniels thread but I did not see one so I thought I would start it up.


Anyone else starting to question this guy?

Ya, I don't understand how they could have lost that game last season. I mean, after all, didn't they have the best statistical offense ever in the NFL? What's up with that?

And now, this year. Another game lost. What is it with this guy??

 

[aluminum seats]

Asking whether McDaniels is "exposed" is obviously sort of reactive, leading to pages of pointless insults. It might be smarter to just ask in general about the offensive play calling.

One thing I would question at this point is the lack of the deep ball--there's things that Moss has never done particularly well (over the middle) but Culpepper and even Brady have thrived by sometimes just chucking up a jump ball and watching him get it. Miami last year is a perfect example--the catches were just ridiculous, I had to laugh. Not sure why you wouldn't do that a couple of times a game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Asking whether McDaniels is "exposed" is obviously sort of reactive, leading to pages of pointless insults. It might be smarter to just ask in general about the offensive play calling.

One thing I would question at this point is the lack of the deep ball--there's things that Moss has never done particularly well (over the middle) but Culpepper and even Brady have thrived by sometimes just chucking up a jump ball and watching him get it. Miami last year is a perfect example--the catches were just ridiculous, I had to laugh. Not sure why you wouldn't do that a couple of times a game.

Belichick talked about this on WEEI, on Monday. Miami was playing a safety on top of a corner against Moss, to negate the deep ball. He mentioned that they went cover 2 a few times, as well. Now, ask yourself this question:

If Cassel had just chucked up a couple of balls to Moss and they'd gotten picked off, do you honestly think that many of the very same people who are complaining about the lack of the deep ball would not instead be complaining about Cassel throwing to Moss when he was covered?

 

[BionicPatriot]

Asking whether McDaniels is "exposed" is obviously sort of reactive, leading to pages of pointless insults. It might be smarter to just ask in general about the offensive play calling.

One thing I would question at this point is the lack of the deep ball--there's things that Moss has never done particularly well (over the middle) but Culpepper and even Brady have thrived by sometimes just chucking up a jump ball and watching him get it. Miami last year is a perfect example--the catches were just ridiculous, I had to laugh. Not sure why you wouldn't do that a couple of times a game.

No ones knows. Do they have little faith in Cassel or are they just being scared? I don't have near the faith others do in McDaniels, this year will certainly tell all. I'm not ready say screw him after 3 weeks though.

 

[BionicPatriot]

Belichick talked about this on WEEI, on Monday. Miami was playing a safety on top of a corner against Moss, to negate the deep ball. He mentioned that they went cover 2 a few times, as well. Now, ask yourself this question:

If Cassel had just chucked up a couple of balls to Moss and they'd gotten picked off, do you honestly think that many the very same people who are complaining about the lack of the deep ball would not instead be complaining about Cassel throwing to Moss when he was covered?

If they were covering the deep ball so well, why on every dink and dunk play were the Dolphins right there? That's a damn good secondary to be able to cover all that ground. But they're not. So either we're not calling the right routes or Cassel just isn't seeing it.

 

[Deus Irae]

If they were covering the deep ball so well, why on every dink and dunk play were the Dolphins right there? That's a damn good secondary to be able to cover all that ground. But they're not. So either we're not calling the right routes or Cassel just isn't seeing it.

The Dolphins only blitzed 3-4 times all game, according to Belichick, which means that they had 7 defenders in the pattern. The problem, despite all the posters losing their minds about Cassel, etc... really seems to have been simple. The line stunk out the joint. Of course, it's possible that BB was lying, but I didn't get that impression.

FYI, he also talked about the pass from Cassel to Moss on that 3rd down, and he did a bit of hemming and hawing. He stated that maybe Randy didn't see the ball, and seemed to indicate that there was some problem with the play in general.

 

[BionicPatriot]

But when Brady is in there either the screens work or the deep ball works. Not trying to go back and forth, just saying. It makes sense what your saying but that secondary should've had a hole on the field somewhere. The line is the main blame though, we need more time to judge cassel but he has no chance if the OL plays like they did sunday.

 

[woolster22]

The o-lines performance on sunday is the reason I was appalled with our draft. The ONLY one that deserved a trip to Hawaii last year was Mankins. Light is a C+ player on a good day, and can be counted on for a false start every-other week. If he does somehow remember how to count to 2 two weeks in a row, he'll get the yips on a big 3rd and 6ish play, putting the team in quite a hole. In any case, a few more screens wouldn't have hurt, and I do agree, since the superbowl and late last year, I have been wondering how JM's head got lodged so firmly in his sphincter. He seems to try to force his offense on his players rather than form his offense with his players. You have the backfield NE does and you turn around and have a shaky (being nice) QB throw it 30 times? Am I missing something?

 

[emoney_33]

The o-lines performance on sunday is the reason I was appalled with our draft. The ONLY one that deserved a trip to Hawaii last year was Mankins. Light is a C+ player on a good day, and can be counted on for a false start every-other week. If he does somehow remember how to count to 2 two weeks in a row, he'll get the yips on a big 3rd and 6ish play, putting the team in quite a hole. In any case, a few more screens wouldn't have hurt, and I do agree, since the superbowl and late last year, I have been wondering how JM's head got lodged so firmly in his sphincter. He seems to try to force his offense on his players rather than form his offense with his players. You have the backfield NE does and you turn around and have a shaky (being nice) QB throw it 30 times? Am I missing something?

Forgot you don't need an O-Line in order to run the ball...

 

[Deus Irae]

But when Brady is in there either the screens work or the deep ball works. Not trying to go back and forth, just saying. It makes sense what your saying but that secondary should've had a hole on the field somewhere. The line is the main blame though, we need more time to judge cassel but he has no chance if the OL plays like they did sunday.

We saw this same problem in the Super Bowl, and Brady didn't do any better than Cassel, albeit he was going against a better team. I think we're seeing just how important Neal was to the offensive line, and we're also seeing why I wanted Graham re-signed. Of course, we could also be seeing negative effects of Light's late start to his season and Kaczur's foray into criminality.

 

[aluminum seats]

Belichick talked about this on WEEI, on Monday. Miami was playing a safety on top of a corner against Moss, to negate the deep ball. He mentioned that they went cover 2 a few times, as well. Now, ask yourself this question:

If Cassel had just chucked up a couple of balls to Moss and they'd gotten picked off, do you honestly think that many of the very same people who are complaining about the lack of the deep ball would not instead be complaining about Cassel throwing to Moss when he was covered?

Two points on that--one, who cares if people complain....I was just wondering myself.

Second, fair point that he was covered--but it seems to me that an aspect of Moss' genius is the ability to get balls he has no business getting.

 

[woolster22]

Forgot you don't need an O-Line in order to run the ball...

And I take it you forgot that all o-lineman love run-blocking and are typically proficient at it if they reach this level? If the run can be established it makes the lines life a hell of a lot easier. But when the OC calls for airing out all the time the dline can pin their ears back and take some shots at our fledgling qb.

 

[Menlo]

McDaniels has been holding this offense back ever since he got here. One can almost always accurately predict the upcoming play before the offense breaks the huddle. He is that simple.

 

[Deus Irae]

...it seems to me that an aspect of Moss' genius is the ability to get balls he has no business getting.

I agree, but that's only going to work when the QB has the time to make a pretty accurate throw, because Moss can adjust on the fly, but he can't body defenders the way a T.O. type of receiver can. It's likely that Cassel looked at the game tape and saw multiple plays where taking a risk to Moss might have been warranted but, given his game experience level, it's also likely that the coaching staff has really stressed making the safe pass.