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    Or are they the exact same player? Good on special teams, not special as defenders.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    Woods.

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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    Not much more to say than that. Much more solid player in all facets, in my opinion.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    Same here. TBC may be the better pass rusher, but it stops there.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    That's the scary thing, have you ever seen a picture of them together? No, neither have I. It's pretty obvious to me that they are the exact same player --- I mean the EXACT same player. BB has some weird sh*t going down that even the CIA, the NSA and the National Board of Insurance Adjusters have no idea about. It would blow everybody's mind if this leaked out.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    I'm going to say TBC just because he has more experience. He's at a point in his career where his second contract didn't work out too well. He's playing for his life at this point. Woods should earn his second contract and play at least a few more years.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    Tough call. TBC as a Patriot is probably similar, but Woods will probably streak into the lead of this argument this season. I think he's a late bloomer who's going to be a two-notches-above average OLB, if he doesn't get ruined by another team.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    neither is that good, but TBC had proven much more effective than woods has ever been.......

    not sure what some people here see in woods.........no pass rush, and not much of a tackler........constantly out of position on screens......

    TBC found his way onto the field when competition for that position was stronger
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    Yep, Alexander and Izzo were pressing TBC hard for playing time in 2006.

    You may be right about Woods issues, but the transaction timeline and the PFWeekly note below suggest the NE coaches took away a more positive assessment of Pierre's performance. I will concede that TBC is the more accomplished pass rusher, but Pierre saw game reps earlier in his career than TBC. Hopefully he didn't loose too much weight while his jaw was wired up and we can enjoy a lively competition in Training Camp.

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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    Excuse me? My answer to the question is..meh.

    TBC was given a spot due to injury and needed to be replaced while healthy forcing Eric Alexander into a playoff game.

    Neither ever had much competition, but TBC had less old players ahead of him.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    I believe Woods is a better player and has the potential - 'though not the probability - to be a starter, whereas TBC is a role guy strictly.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    I don't think anyone here was fully satisfied with TBC's performance in the stretch run of the 2006 season, but there was enough there for hope, even after Tomlinson ran for like 100 yards against him and Seymour on the right side. Then the 49ers threw a bank at him in the offseason. Who knows where he is now skill wise in this defense.

    Woods, meanwhile, hasn't been on the field enough for us to be anything other but hopeful. I guess hopeful is the word. If they both make the team I am hopeful they will hopefully combine to play an entire season at the OLB spot opposite Mike Vrabel for once in the Pats' history.
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    I'll put it this way. The 49ers paid TBC decent money to be a starter. If Woods was a free agent or cut this offseason, I don't see him getting the same.

    Neither guy is starter material, but I thought TBC played better in his starting opportunities with the Pats than Woods did.

    I haven't watched many or any 49ers games the last few years other than the time they played the Pats. So I don't know how TBC has progressed or regressed over that time, but based on both players' careers as a Patriot, I will give the edge to TBC. Granted Woods is younger and has more potential upside.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    Woods special teams play makes him better.

    If either of them are starting at OLB it is a weak spot on defense.
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    Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

    Not sure I agree. Woods did a nice job, in my view, he just did it for only a couple of weeks - during an off-season and early season where BB had acknowledged a positive "leap" - before getting injured. I think Woods has potential to be a starter, whereas TBC had more opportunities and we saw, and BB saw, that he could not.
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    I second that, and say not even close... Woods wil rise to be a solid red chipper. But it takes a while to transition to OLB in the Pats system. :cool:
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    I disagree. I think their strengths are different.

    What we have seen with Woods is a player very good at setting the edge. He played his best on the defensive left side, as the strong side OLB. He was less effective as a pass rusher.

    TBC played his best as the weak side third-down pass rusher. His final season in New England he had 5.5 sacks in a situational role. Woods has one total sack for his career.

    Neither has been effective in coverage. Both are pretty good on special teams.

    I would say they are similar special teams performers. I think TBC is better able to play the role Izzo plays in the middle; Woods is a bit more of a front wedge-buster than the clean-up guy. But both are good ST linebackers.
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    I would point out that Woods started three games and had one sack; projected over 16 games that would be 5 sacks/season. But Woods is a much better edge setter than TBC, and not just a good, but a superb ST player.

    His career had been stymied by Lloyd Carr. He was a a first day pick and maybe a first round pick, until Carr put him in the doghouse. BB rescued him as a UDFA. Suppposedly, he didn't hustle enough for Carr, but you don't lead your team in ST tackles for a couple of years as a loafer.

    There is no question that Pierre has more athleticism than TBC, who I think is a good situational sub, and worth having at the right price. SF overpayed, and it wasn't a satisfactory match under those circumstances.

    The Pat's rebuilding Defense gets younger, and deeper.
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    Interestingly, or perhaps curiously, Dean Pees suggested the strongest part of Woods' game was his pass rush, but that for whatever reason he (Pees, not Woods) hadn't had the opportunity to make use of it on a consistent basis. If true, there is a whole facet of Woods' game that we've yet to see.
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    Precisement! S'il vous plait. Pierre is following the Coaches dictums. Play the run first, react, and then pass rush. As he adds experience, the pass rush will come, as the coaches have seen in practice, but we have not, as yet. :D
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    i heard the same dean pees interview. In our system a OLB needs to set the edge vs run and hold the RB from busting outside then they pass rush,He is 26 and will be better as he played more snaps then before. our running defence did not fall off the cliff with him in and ty out.

    I do understand why people do not remember how bad TBC was .As a starter every team ran on him and had good to great success yet even with ty warren niked up and out his backup and woods did a better job.IN games he started for the 9`rs he could not hold the edge and was benched for that reason.

    On patriots today in light`s charity shootout AD did an interview and says woods is the fastest and pure atheletic member of the LB group.

    woods is going to be a good player for us he has more promise and potential he is a big olb and cannot cover players like a 220 ILB but he did a good job on FB and RB coming off the back field. He tackled players and did not let huge gains.

    woods given starting chance improved every game where TBC just did nothing with us and 9 rs .His run stopping was bad that his ever worse coverage skill looked better.He is worse then woods against the run and also agianst the pass.

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    TBC is a role player, a fine pass rusher. Last I heard, we needed another one. His game experience should have helped him. TBC is a top special teamer. TBC has less upside potential, but that seems reasonable since he's been a starter for a couple of years. In the end, TBC is a veteran role player who understands our system and fits in well. He replaces Redd on the roster.

    Woods is all about potential, although he is a top special teamer. The question is how long should the team wait? Should the team tender him at $1.5M, at $2.2M? Is he worth this money for one year? I have suggested that he is worth the $2.2M while we see what we have in Crable, a rookie, and the Practice Squad players. Perhaps the team has decided to go another, less expensive route. Maybe we'll just tender him at $1.5M and accept a second if it offered.

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    I am not at all convinced that we will draft a linebacker, except perhaps for the Practice Squad.
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    TBC............pats need outside rush
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    I like them both for what they are. Neither is a starter but they both are really good on STs and are decent back ups.

    I think Woods is slightly better all around but I think TBC is clearly the better pass rusher which if the starters are healthy might be more important.

    I hope they are both here next year scratch that I hope we get someone better but if they are both here that is OK.


    To those who say Alexander was taking TBC spot keep in mind Alexander was an ILB and while him seeing the field meant at times TBC didn't it was a different position. And could have had more to do with where they wanted Vrabel who moved inside due to injuries.
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    I see alot of potential in Woods to be a capable LB. I see TBS as a situational pass rusher, IMO, this signing was good for us. I'd be pretty happy with this quiet signing if TBC could turn out another 5 or more sacks this season. The more pass rushers the better.
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    I felt TBC was too often out of control when he did get pressure on a QB. Was quite upset after his last sack attempt resulted in a penalty for a shot to the head of the QB. Was glad to see the team move on. Sorry to see him back as it indicates a lack of confidence in some of the youngsters. Woods is definitely better, IMO.
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    why does it have to be lack of confidence what if it was not much more than a veteran ST guy to replace Izzo who I am doubting will be back....I assume there is a little more to it but TBC is not holding back any young talent.
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    Good Point. Larry Okies's time with the Pats was drawing to a close anyway. Bill signed Sam Atkins, the former Bills ST captain and ST probowler, to take his place last season. This year he does. TBC may just be another end of the bench LB - ST player. The differnce is that TBC can contribute occasionally on the regular Defense unlike Larry or Alexander.:D
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    It didn`t take long after he was released for BB to sign him.
    Thats what BB thought of him.
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    Yeah, well, he played in 12 games last year, and got one sack. Projected over 16 games that's 1.3 sacks/season.
    He had one sack against the Jets, and played in two games against the Jets. Projected over 16 games, if the Pats played the Jets, that's 8 sacks/season.
    He had one sack in the OT game. Projected...
    As long as you ignore the other nine games he played in last year, there are lots of ways to make his stats look better.

    Putting aside performance, I put a lot of stock in the coach's comments. If Pees believes that Woods shows the capacity to be a good pass rusher, that's welcome insight. I'd love to see it. Sadly, to date he has been less effective on the field as a pass rusher than TBC was with similar opportunities. I totally agree that he is a more well-rounded player, and I'd rather keep Woods than TBC.

    My top hope for the offseason is an athletic pass-rushing OLB from the draft. Someone who can play on third down and with the lead to really pressure the passer. Anyone of Everette Brown, Brian Orakpo, Aaron Maybin, Clint Sintim, Larry English, or Connor Barwin in the first two rounds. An OLB corps of Vrabel, Thomas, Woods, top rookie pass-rusher, and one of Crabel, TBC, Redd, or Izzo as depth/ST would be a nice improvement.
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