Who is better: Woods or TBC?

[cstjohn17]

Or are they the exact same player? Good on special teams, not special as defenders.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Woods.

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[mayoclinic]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Woods.

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Not much more to say than that. Much more solid player in all facets, in my opinion.

 

[Frezo]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Woods.

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Same here. TBC may be the better pass rusher, but it stops there.

 

[hyperpat]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Or are they the exact same player? Good on special teams, not special as defenders.

That's the scary thing, have you ever seen a picture of them together? No, neither have I. It's pretty obvious to me that they are the exact same player --- I mean the EXACT same player. BB has some weird sh*t going down that even the CIA, the NSA and the National Board of Insurance Adjusters have no idea about. It would blow everybody's mind if this leaked out.

 

[WhiZa]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

I'm going to say TBC just because he has more experience. He's at a point in his career where his second contract didn't work out too well. He's playing for his life at this point. Woods should earn his second contract and play at least a few more years.

 

[JSn]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Tough call. TBC as a Patriot is probably similar, but Woods will probably streak into the lead of this argument this season. I think he's a late bloomer who's going to be a two-notches-above average OLB, if he doesn't get ruined by another team.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

neither is that good, but TBC had proven much more effective than woods has ever been.......

not sure what some people here see in woods.........no pass rush, and not much of a tackler........constantly out of position on screens......

TBC found his way onto the field when competition for that position was stronger

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

neither is that good, but TBC had proven much more effective than woods has ever been.......

not sure what some people here see in woods.........no pass rush, and not much of a tackler........constantly out of position on screens......

TBC found his way onto the field when competition for that position was stronger

Yep, Alexander and Izzo were pressing TBC hard for playing time in 2006.

You may be right about Woods issues, but the transaction timeline and the PFWeekly note below suggest the NE coaches took away a more positive assessment of Pierre's performance. I will concede that TBC is the more accomplished pass rusher, but Pierre saw game reps earlier in his career than TBC. Hopefully he didn't loose too much weight while his jaw was wired up and we can enjoy a lively competition in Training Camp.

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Nov. 15, 2008

A source close to the Patriots tells us that the team is better equipped to handle the likely season-ending loss of OLB Adalius Thomas than initially believed. OLB Pierre Woods, a third-year career backup who was once thought to be nothing more than a situational pass rusher, proved against the Jets that he can stand up surprisingly effectively against the run. Also, his liability in coverage is somewhat mitigated by versatile LB Gary Guyton, an undrafted rookie revelation who can play both inside and outside.

Patriots sign OL Dan Connolly; Woods to IR

Woods, 26, has played in 36 career games with three starts since being signed by the Patriots as an undrafted free agent out of the University of Michigan on May 8, 2006. The 6-foot-5-inch, 250-pound linebacker played in the first 12 games of the 2008 season and started three straight games before being injured on Nov. 30 against Pittsburgh. Woods recorded a career-high 27 tackles (20 solo) in 2008, including his first career sack. His 11 special teams tackles lead the team this season. As a rookie in 2006, Woods played in eight games and recorded 11 special teams tackles and two tackles on defense. Last season, Woods played in every game and led the team with 22 special teams tackles while adding a pair of tackles on defense.

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[RayClay]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

TBC found his way onto the field when competition for that position was stronger

Excuse me? My answer to the question is..meh.

TBC was given a spot due to injury and needed to be replaced while healthy forcing Eric Alexander into a playoff game.

Neither ever had much competition, but TBC had less old players ahead of him.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

I believe Woods is a better player and has the potential - 'though not the probability - to be a starter, whereas TBC is a role guy strictly.

 

[unoriginal]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

I don't think anyone here was fully satisfied with TBC's performance in the stretch run of the 2006 season, but there was enough there for hope, even after Tomlinson ran for like 100 yards against him and Seymour on the right side. Then the 49ers threw a bank at him in the offseason. Who knows where he is now skill wise in this defense.

Woods, meanwhile, hasn't been on the field enough for us to be anything other but hopeful. I guess hopeful is the word. If they both make the team I am hopeful they will hopefully combine to play an entire season at the OLB spot opposite Mike Vrabel for once in the Pats' history.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

I'll put it this way. The 49ers paid TBC decent money to be a starter. If Woods was a free agent or cut this offseason, I don't see him getting the same.

Neither guy is starter material, but I thought TBC played better in his starting opportunities with the Pats than Woods did.

I haven't watched many or any 49ers games the last few years other than the time they played the Pats. So I don't know how TBC has progressed or regressed over that time, but based on both players' careers as a Patriot, I will give the edge to TBC. Granted Woods is younger and has more potential upside.

 

[dhamz]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Woods special teams play makes him better.

If either of them are starting at OLB it is a weak spot on defense.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Neither guy is starter material, but I thought TBC played better in his starting opportunities with the Pats than Woods did.

Not sure I agree. Woods did a nice job, in my view, he just did it for only a couple of weeks - during an off-season and early season where BB had acknowledged a positive "leap" - before getting injured. I think Woods has potential to be a starter, whereas TBC had more opportunities and we saw, and BB saw, that he could not.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Woods.

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I second that, and say not even close... Woods wil rise to be a solid red chipper. But it takes a while to transition to OLB in the Pats system.

 

[Urgent]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

That's the scary thing, have you ever seen a picture of them together? No, neither have I. It's pretty obvious to me that they are the exact same player --- I mean the EXACT same player. BB has some weird sh*t going down that even the CIA, the NSA and the National Board of Insurance Adjusters have no idea about. It would blow everybody's mind if this leaked out.

I disagree. I think their strengths are different.

What we have seen with Woods is a player very good at setting the edge. He played his best on the defensive left side, as the strong side OLB. He was less effective as a pass rusher.

TBC played his best as the weak side third-down pass rusher. His final season in New England he had 5.5 sacks in a situational role. Woods has one total sack for his career.

Neither has been effective in coverage. Both are pretty good on special teams.

I would say they are similar special teams performers. I think TBC is better able to play the role Izzo plays in the middle; Woods is a bit more of a front wedge-buster than the clean-up guy. But both are good ST linebackers.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

I disagree. I think their strengths are different.

What we have seen with Woods is a player very good at setting the edge. He played his best on the defensive left side, as the strong side OLB. He was less effective as a pass rusher.

TBC played his best as the weak side third-down pass rusher. His final season in New England he had 5.5 sacks in a situational role. Woods has one total sack for his career.

Neither has been effective in coverage. Both are pretty good on special teams.

I would say they are similar special teams performers. I think TBC is better able to play the role Izzo plays in the middle; Woods is a bit more of a front wedge-buster than the clean-up guy. But both are good ST linebackers.

I would point out that Woods started three games and had one sack; projected over 16 games that would be 5 sacks/season. But Woods is a much better edge setter than TBC, and not just a good, but a superb ST player.

His career had been stymied by Lloyd Carr. He was a a first day pick and maybe a first round pick, until Carr put him in the doghouse. BB rescued him as a UDFA. Suppposedly, he didn't hustle enough for Carr, but you don't lead your team in ST tackles for a couple of years as a loafer.

There is no question that Pierre has more athleticism than TBC, who I think is a good situational sub, and worth having at the right price. SF overpayed, and it wasn't a satisfactory match under those circumstances.

The Pat's rebuilding Defense gets younger, and deeper.

 

[Lampshade]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

I disagree. I think their strengths are different.

What we have seen with Woods is a player very good at setting the edge. He played his best on the defensive left side, as the strong side OLB. He was less effective as a pass rusher.

TBC played his best as the weak side third-down pass rusher. His final season in New England he had 5.5 sacks in a situational role. Woods has one total sack for his career.

Neither has been effective in coverage. Both are pretty good on special teams.

I would say they are similar special teams performers. I think TBC is better able to play the role Izzo plays in the middle; Woods is a bit more of a front wedge-buster than the clean-up guy. But both are good ST linebackers.

Interestingly, or perhaps curiously, Dean Pees suggested the strongest part of Woods' game was his pass rush, but that for whatever reason he (Pees, not Woods) hadn't had the opportunity to make use of it on a consistent basis. If true, there is a whole facet of Woods' game that we've yet to see.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Re: Who is better Woods or TBC?

Interestingly, or perhaps curiously, Dean Pees suggested the strongest part of Woods' game was his pass rush, but that for whatever reason he (Pees, not Woods) hadn't had the opportunity to make use of it on a consistent basis. If true, there is a whole facet of Woods' game that we've yet to see.

Precisement! S'il vous plait. Pierre is following the Coaches dictums. Play the run first, react, and then pass rush. As he adds experience, the pass rush will come, as the coaches have seen in practice, but we have not, as yet.