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(Video) Sports Science: Moore's Game Saving Play

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  1. shmessy

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    What an interesting video. Definitely not a catch.:rocker:
     
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    Nice. Can we send this to Baltimore? :rolleyes:
     
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    Interesting focus on the blade positioning of the hand.

    But I have to say, if I were a Ravens fan, watching that fraction of a second of victory-to-defeat over and over like that would make me physically ill. Ever since 2007, I can't help empathizing with that kind of thing.
     
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    Good Stuff

    Before seeing this video I was not sure than Evans foot did not hit the ground before the ball slid below his forearm but that video clearly shows it was probably a 1/2 second before his foot hit the ground and by then the ball was at his stomach area.

    A 1/2 second before the foot hits the turf is the reason why Baltimore is not playing the Giants in SB 42.

    I can't say thank you enough to Sterling Moore for a veteran Pro Bowl type play.
     
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    Yeah, I did not realize how close it was until they showed the replay and then I was just ill wiith relief when I saw the ball coming out before the second foot hit..
     
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    It´s so damn close, thank god Moore did what he did.

    If we win the SB, this is a play that I will never be able to watch again without my stomach turning, seeing how close we were to lose the AFCCG. Unbelievable play there.
     
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    Defensive play of the season so far. Such an incredibly tight margin of error. If that wouldn't have been called incomplete, not sure if it would have gotten overturned. It was clearly not a catch, but with that tight a margin, I'm glad they got it right the first time.
     
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    People will still believe what they want to believe.

    Though if this was ruled a touchdown, I'm betting the house the ref wouldn't have overturned the call.
     
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    It's eerily reminiscent of the tuck rule in that regard. Such an unbelievably close call that could have ended our season if called the other way. Like you, I've replayed in my head what would have happened if Moore had been a fraction of a second too late to the ball

    I was at the game and Evans' back was turned to me when that play happened. I was sick to my stomach for a moment because it looked like he had the touchdown. Then I saw the ball bouncing on the ground and I waited until the referees signalled incomplete before I unfroze myself and celebrated Moore's play.
     
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    My brother said today that it's a good thing that McCourty wasn't covering Evans. He said that would have been a touchdown. I scoffed at him at first, but then I started thinking about some of the TD's he gave up during the season, and I thought to myself, maybe he is right. I'll say this for Moore, he has good man to man technique.
     
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    I looked it a bunch of times in frame-by-frame replay on my DVR, before this Sports Science analysis was available. From behind Evans you can't really see the ball coming loose until the foot has been on the ground a little bit.

    From the front, Moore's point of view, it's easy to see the ball begin to move before the foot is down, and it's moved quite a bit by the time the foot is clearly down. Also, I'm pretty sure the rule is that, if the ball coming out and the touch of the foot are simultaneous, then it's not a catch.

    I think it would have been overturned if it had been ruled a touchdown, at least as long as both points of view were available. As we saw with the "first" Brady touchdown, the officials aren't shy about ruling no touchdown after replay.

    I appreciated the Sports Science point about turning your hand into a blade in order to dislodge the ball. Good coaching, I would guess (Moore said they practice it over and over).
     
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    Is anyone else really annoyed by that tackle/grunt sound effect that they added in whenever Moore makes contact with the ball?
     
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    I saw it on ESPN last night. I wish every Raven fan would see this clip. I'm sure no Raven fans are watching and ESPN or football news at this time. If I could only create a gif of the part that shows the ball was coming out the second his toe touch the floor...any takers?

    Its sweet redemption for Moore since he missed the tackle of Torrey Smith that resulted in a TD.

    If they had Sports Science for the tuck rule...
     
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    I like seeing the conclusive evidence from Sports Science. although ravens fans will probably still claim they got gypped! Then again Cundiff missed the kick! LOL. The Ravens had their chances they just couldn't capitalize!

    Awesome play by Moore! this saved the season!
     
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    I love this guy... I think he will be starter with us for a very long time.
     
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    PLAYER POSSESSION
    Article 7 A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3).
    To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have
    complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands,
    completely on the ground inbounds, and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act
    common to the game. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part
    of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession.
    This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.


    Evans had to get both feet down and control the ball long enough to make a move common to the game. According to the rule this wasn't really even close to a completion. That's probably why there was no booth review and why no "expert" has questioned the call.
     
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    Dan Patrick was going on and on about this during his show, insisting that it should have been reviewed. Rich Eisen called in to tel him that it was reviewed by the booth, they didn't deem it necessary for review on the field. "A statement was issued 15 minutes after the game that it had been reviewed", Eisen informed Dan. That wasn't enough for the fans, Dan insisted, we as fans deserve a better response. Well Dan, can you explain what the ******* response of a Patriot fan should be after being raped and pillared about spygate, remembering that your team got an apology letter in '06, were held in '07 along with a lucky catch, Pollarded in '08, Farved in '09, and exhausted by 2010?

    As a Pats fan I have some questions;

    A. WHY IN THE HELL ISN'T ANYONE *****ING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE RAVENS SCORED SEVEN POINTS ON 8 YARDS WORTH OF AN OFFENSIVE FACEMASK?

    B. WHY ISN'T ANYONE *****ING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE GAVE THEM POINTS AT THE END OF THE FIRST HALF BY CONCEDING THE GRONK CATCH AT THE 10 YARD LINE?

    C. WHY ISN'T ANYONE *****ING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE RAVENS WERE GIVEN TIME AFTER THE FUMBLE OUT OF BOUNDS BY BOLDIN?

    This is why I embrace the hate, and I think I might be starting to love it.
     
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    Don't bother....their players and fan-base would claim that the video proof was fraud and computer generated (most likely by the genius who operates the scoreboard). :cool:
     
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    This is correct and nobody seems to mention it. Not only would he have to have gotten two feet in he would of had to turn or taken another step before the ball came out.
     
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