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    Brady is the current NFL MVP. Top of his game no question. But he turns 34 this summer. Consider the following:

    Montana finished his career in San Francisco at age 36.
    Hall of Famer Troy Aikman retired at age 34.
    Hall of Famer Terry Bradshaw retired at age 35.
    Hall of Famer Dan Fouts retired at age 36.
    Hall of Famer Jim Kelley retired at age 36.

    No QB in the history of the NFL has ever won a Superbowl past the age of 38, and even that has been done only once ( Elway ).

    Assuming it takes a guy like Jake Locker ( or most any other rookie ) at least 2 years before he is ready for prime time, is it worth it to invest a high pick at QB to groom for the future / protect against injury ?
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    I'm not so sure about the last two on your list. But anyhow, in many ways athletes are better preserved then they used to be. In football, the hits eventually add up. But is there any sign of that with Brady? Pretty much our only complaint about him vs. younger Brady is that he seems to "choke" more, and I don't see where that is age-related.

    Manning is a few years older than Brady, and he still seems to be elite.
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    Peyton Manning: March 24, 1976

    Tom Brady: August 3, 1977

    Yeah, only a year older.
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    Too soon

    We have a possible GOAT. Rather than insure he has the best possible supporting cast to win over his next 4 contract years we urinate away a HIGH pick on a backup QB for 2015? I say no. Emphatic no.
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    That certainly is one point of view. Not sure Bill Walsh felt he was urinating away the 2nd and 4th round picks he traded for Steve Young to sit as a backup for three years.

    Not sure the Packers felt they were urinating away a first round pick on Aaron Rodgers to sit around as Favre's backup for three years.
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    In just a matter of days we'll see how BB feels about spending those 1st or 2nd picks on a QB. I'll resurrect the thread for laughs.
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    I wouldn't spend a 1 or a 2, but I could see the Pats spending a 3 or a 4.
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    Manning just feels older because he's been shoved down our throats much longer.
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    You won't have to. When the Pats draft a QB on day 2, I'll bump it for ya.
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    That I could see. They've done it before. Sadly, he can't beat out the Sanchize.

    EDIT: despite history I don't see a 3rd @ QB this April
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    Rule changes mean the QB that can't be touched might last longer than Troy "Concussion" Aikman.

    I'd be afraid Tom's subconscious would be thinking "IT IS JUST LIKE AT MICHIGAN! HENSON MUST DIE!!!!"
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    What about Warren Moon who played into his 40s? Or Favre who had a career year at 39? Or Elway who won his first of two Super Bowls at 37? Or Rich Gannon who won league MVP at 37? Gannon went to a Super Bowl at age 37. Favre was one stupid INT from going to a Super Bowl at 39.

    Aikman's, Bradshaw's, and Montana's retirements were injury related. The time where most of the QBs you listed, Brady would have been in forced retirement when he tore his ACL (back in the 70s, 80s, and even early 90s; an ACL tear was a death sentence to a player's career).

    If the Pats take a QB before the 3rd round, Belichick should immediately go to the hospital and get checked out for altheimers. There is no reason to believe that Brady can't give the Pats 4-5 more elite to very good years barring an injury. Possibly longer. No can doubt Brady's desire (although a lot of fairweather fans have) and his style of play is condusive to a long career.
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    RICKY STANZI *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*

    If BB likes Stanzi as much as I do he'll consider a 4th rounder for him a steal.
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    If the Pats could trade for say Matt Ryan and let him sit on the bench for three to four years and not totally screw up the salary cap, I say go for it. Otherwise, the Young reference is useless since it was before free agency and the cap and the 49ers could have the luxury of having two starting QBs on the roster. Could never happen today.

    The Packers' situation was different too in that Favre wasn't coming of an unanimous MVP season. The Packers were declining (they went 4-12 in 2005 which was the year Rodgers was drafted and 8-8 in 2006) and the Packers were looking towards the future without Favre because they were in rebuild mode anyway. If they were coming off a 14-2 season with a lot of young players infused already like the Pats were, the Packers may not have drafted Rodgers. But they figured they might have to replace Favre by the time they are good again and took the risk.
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    I don't think there is a need at all for a QB. What's wrong with Brian Hoyer? I don't think the Patriots need to waste a top draft pick on a QB this year, or in the next year or two when they have a solid young guy in Hoyer already on the roster and getting some experience. Are people really forgetting about him?
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    Seems like a bigger practical difference than 1 1/2 years.

    Manning's been a starter for at least 2 more seasons than Brady, not counting Brady's injury season. If I had to guess, I'd say the figure is 3.
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    Manning was drafted two years before Brady and started three years before Brady did. That is why people think he is that much older.

    I don't know though. I think Manning if he doesn't get an o-line soon might end up having a shorter career. He seemed to have been hit a lot and bothered this year. Brady is tougher. Brady has always taken more hits and stood up to them. Manning avoids a lot of hits because of his quick release and once wall of a line.
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    Locker visiting for two days, Mallett visiting for two days, Dalton PW, Stanzi PW, the kid from Sacred Heart, Potts PW, Weber PW, Van Camp PW, they've looked at Colburn, Chappell, Froman, ... and those are the guys we've found digging through the media. The hunt for the next Tommy Brady is ongoing and relentless.
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    Walker of ESPN, reporting that Patriots will host QB Mallett from Arkansas next week for a visit in Foxboro. Two day visit with Jake Locker in Foxboro was completed last week, according to Walker.
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    NFL comparison: Kevin O'Connell

    I will be :eek: if the Pats take Mallett.
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    I really think, as always with BB, it depends on value. Mel Kiper has 6 QBs going in the first 40 picks. If that happens I don't think BB scrambles to spend his 60th pick ( 2nd round ) for the #7 QB in the draft. If by some miracle Mallett or Dalton fall to the top of the third round, BB jumps on that value. Same feeling if Stanzi is there at the bottom of the third.

    If BB uses either of his third round picks on a QB, it will be the highest pick ever used on a QB during the BB era.
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    FWIW, Phil Simms said yesterday that if Mallett does not turn out to be one of the best 10 players of the draft..............he would retire.
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    Which pretty assures that they won't be drafting them. Who cares about pre-draft visits? I would love to see the list of all the highly publicized visits they have had with players in Foxboro vs. the ones they actually drafted. I bet the percentage of Patriots draft picks that were reported to have visited prior to the draft is relatively low.

    The popular talk right now is that the Pats are in love with Mark Ingram and if he is available at 28th, there is no chance they will pass on him and that his visit last week was to extensively examine his knee because they love him so much.

    Also, Belichick was on Sirius NFL radio today and he specifically talked about the number of QBs potentially taken as it relates to him trading one of his top 3 picks. He made it sound like if a highly touted QB is available, he is going to try to trade out of the pick. Again, pre-draft talk can be a misdirection.

    I seriously doubt the Pats are going to use a first or second round pick on a QB. I would be shocked if they used any of their top 3. There are too many teams going to pursue the top picks and Brady has at least 3-4 more years at an elite level barring injuries (probably closer to 4-6 years).
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    My theory (and it might not be a good theory!) is it's all just scouting and note-taking for guys the Patriots will be facing down the road. I mean, you know you're going to play against these guys eventually; what better way to find out what makes them tick (or not) than some face time? :D
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    OK, high draft pick goal posts now moved back to late 3rd round people.
    Forget the prior examples of 1st & 2nd round picks (legit high draft picks) previously cited.
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    If BB uses either of his third round picks on a QB. It will be the highest he has ever drafted a QB during his 11 year history with the Patriots. Thats high. :rocker:
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    I would rather take a RB with a high pick then a QB. The RB (assuming he's good) will take snaps away from Brady, thus possibly giving him a longer life. Think of Elway and Terrel Davis.
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    Miami has looked hard at Locker and Mallett ... :D
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