Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by mgteich, Jul 25, 2014.
It got locked, or moved to the practice squad. I think the motivation behind that thread was misunderstood by board management.
It's because NE and BB doesn't suffer whining gladly. Which i find refreshing. Throughout the league it's the norm for players to make performance excuses, shout it from the roof even, especially with all the money at stake. But it's simply human nature to forgot the non-squeaky wheel. It just is. And if these two contradictory thoughts were fused into a single meme in a shallow attempt to quickly (yet wittily) answer your question, it would boil down to... If he had only bitched more back then we could be able to like him more today! So obvious.
But I'm glad people are now starting to recall this. I started thinking I might have made it up. But I guess that's also because KT kept it so quiet, it was a non-story. Then they went right to the jucier rookie wall / brady trust storyline as he sat out. Injury forgotten. And I truly think this minor/medium injury or two had more of a negative impact than most of us realized at the time. Maybe even KT thought himself. It might help explain why he's come out on fire after a crazy man training. Either way it speaks well of his character and future development. Specifically: 1) He didn't bitch, complain or mention external excuses (including injury) as for his dropoff in production. 2) He was so pissed off and/or hungry to improve (IMO because of said dropoff, internal fire) he trained like Jack Lelane banging Universal Soldier Serum between Cheerio IV drips, all off-season. 3) He ignored The Bolded Rule above My rule gawdammit!
Also, why do people keep saying here his hands were questionable last year? I thought he was pretty sticky. Bad routes and bad footwork I thought was more the issue. This caused him to lurch and miss a few passes when out of position, but not straight drops. In any case, the silver lining is overlooked, that is TB was throwing to him because KT was breaking jams and getting open, and TB recognized it. But thats when the rookie nerves took over from there, just happy to be open, bit out of control, and causing the footwork / route problems above. Luckily he has what you can't teach. Getting open. And if he's bigger, faster, he should be hugely improved in the areas he was already good at. And the 2nd year jump should fix the nerves and routes. And he's more familiar with the playbook. Overall I'm looking for big things from KT. And, if he stays healthy, it would solve the last area of weakness his rookie season. His health. So, as it was, I was looking for surprising improvement this season, and that was before the off-season he-man training reports and recent glowing camp reports. With those, I'm even more psyched! But I guess that's what you'd expect to see if he was going to improve as much as hoped. So then overall, it looks all good, and KT seems poised to deliver a reahlly biig shew for us this season. A Reahlly Biig Shew*.
*(Ed Sullivan voice if nuances lost in digital translation)
As I commented earlier in the year, I'm one who thinks KT is going to have a banner year. He's gotten motivated and seems like he really NEEDS to show what he can do. That's the sort of edge that can lift one player over another and, in some instances, mean the difference between winning a game and having it slip away from you.
Yeah, I may be seeing everything through rose-tinted lenses, and it's only day 2 of training camp. But I really think that young man has the skills and desire to light it up on the field this year.
Like I said Amendola is not a lock, I know, he knows it, and most others know it. He is out there early working hard to make the roster. I never said that he was doing it out of fear or insinuated anything. I acknowledged what he has been doing. In the same post I also wrote about Brandon LaFell and Josh Boyce yet you and nobody else has said one thing about what I said about them. Instead you and others want to lock into me saying Amendola was out to practice early.
Talk about trying to make something out of nothing and being overly defensive. I'm not an Amendola fan, that doesn't mean everything I say has some evil intent, you all really need to get over it, this reaction and the other reactions to what I wrote are middle school level.
I am beginning to wonder if you have the last name of "Thompkins?"
Thompkins = gymrat?
I believe it is due to what is often referred to as "double catching," which means that Thompkins kind of double clutches at balls, rather than bring them in cleanly on the initial attempt. This, while it may/may not end up being an issue, was definitely evident many times during the 2013 season. Hopefully, it improves.
Craig = Thompkins = gymrat.
He's a man of many names.
Even more than with most positions, measurables are only useful to a point with WRs. I could easily go and link to 10 WRs whose measurables are better than AJ Green's, all of whom are fringe NFL players.
Not to dismiss Thompkins: I'm hopeful, as we all should be. I just don't think that that comparison means what you're suggesting. Thompkins' measurables tell us that he has the requisite baseline ability to be a good NFL WR (they actually compare favorably to his cousin, Antonio Brown's) but I would be hesitant to draw much more than that from combine numbers.
Yes, I can see that. But is this a bad thing? It can be, if the passes are on target, no doubt. But with KT here, and analyzing the overall play; jam, buildup, read, route and outcome, I still think these double clutches are overall a good play from the wideout. From the rose view, we saw a rookie player that fought and got open (on a regular basis no less), sometimes even making it look easy, make good reads, then for whatever reasons (inexperience, exuberance, poor TB deliveries, chemistry, etc - and the true debate of how much and where he might improve IMO), whatever reasons, he often found a ball delivered slightly off target or off-timed from what the he expected when he made his turn. Not crazy off target, cuz his reads were good, but off by 1,2 or 3 feet from his hands. Now stay with me. Here is where the possible dual view of the double clutch comes in: Why it's good view. KT wouldn't blink, he'd react, stretch out, extend, jump, whatever it took and CATCH the ball. Yes he'd often double clutch it. That's what usually happens when you catch a poorly thrown ball, and your body is out of position, and you need to pull everything back together, and sprint for your life. Just get it done. Now, why it's not worse view. We've all seen dozens of receivers (mostly other teams thankfully) NOT CATCH a similar pass at all. They just couldn't adjust to ball quickly enough, might alligator arm it, get bumped off the spot while they waited, simply were out jumped, see it scoot thru their fingers, turn upfield too soon leaving it behind, hell, I've even seen them bounce straight off stone hands into perfect running knee drop kicks to land 25 yds deep into incredulous NYJ partisan crowds But the one thing these guys never got accused of was double-clutching a catch. They just straight out dropped it. So a double-clutch CATCH could be looked at as good overall too I argue.
I have always felt that Thompkins was a solid rookie who got hurt and had the usual rookie issues. People on this board treated him unfairly in my opinion.
Although guys hands were definitely questionable last year. Double clutching the ball a lot ands that is not a good thing.
I saw none of this "double clutching from Thompkins yesterday. Everything he caught was with his hands and strong. However it was a good description of several of LaFell's catches
Chad Jackson made the team too and was useless as tits on a bull.
Only time will tell with all these guys but it's definitely encouraging. I just think we're getting ahead of ourselves. It's only been 2 days
Amendola is a roster lock. There is no question of that.
Your conclusion that his commitment to be early to practice is because he fears his job is simply ignorant
Huh? The ball hit him in the hands bounced off and then (sometimes) he caught it on the rebound.
Whatever you are describing there isn't what happened.
I disagree. I'm not getting into an Amendola debate though so I will leave it at that.
Please, God, not another Amendola Thread!!
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