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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.PromisedLand said:I go all the way back to the beginning of the Patriots. I saw Gino Capelletti and Babe Parilli and Jim Nance and Jim Colclough play. Of course I saw Hannah play, and not just on film, in person. And yes, I disagree. OK?
gomezcat said:I'm not sure he was the greatest, but I'd like to mention the name of Andre Tippett, the ultimate "edge rusher".
A.C Vegas said:how about instead of the best player ever how about hte best at easch postion ever I think that would be a great debate and see if you could put together a great 53 man roster.
on another topic (sort of) how do you think the "greatest" Pats team would fair against the other "greatest" teams
RayClay said:I hate to break the illusion, but they did actually play for Super Bowls before 2001.
I swear, I remember.
smg93 said:Yes, but I swear, I remember that they only started winning Superbowls beginning in 2001
sarge said:I understand the nostalgia of picking Hannah, but considering the facts of what it takes to be a HOF qb verses a HOF guard, there is absolutlely NO comparison!
I wonder how many Hannah backers remember when he went on his tirade against the team and was trying like hell to get traded anywhere!
shatch62 said:If it is harder to be a hall of fame qb than why are there 3 times the QBs as G in the hall of fame? Per the hall's internet page there are only 6 pure Guards are in the Hall and only 1 – Mike Munchak – has been elected that started his career in 1980 or later.
Conversely there are 23 modern Era QBs that are in the Hall. Out of those 23, 6 - Troy Aikman, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Warren Moon and Steve Young - began their careers in the 80’s. Montana just missed being a rookie in 79.
So, one could argue that it is MORE IMPRESSIVE to be a G in the Hall of Fame because it is an honor that is rarely given to that position.
'best" iis an interesting word. IMO it means "most proficient". to me, "greatest" means most frequently delivered inspirational and/or dominant performances in crucial situations. "most valuable" means greatest contributor to team successes.Sean Pa Patriot said:Best Player in Pats history is hard to pick 1 but are
1 Tom Brady
2 John Hannah
3 Gino Cappaletti
4 Andre Tippett
5 Mike Haynes
5b - Stanley Morgan
honarble mention- Steve Grogan
I do agree he was, relative to the contribution which can be made from his position, the best player on his team. He along with Leon Gray opened holes in the running which allowed the team to set the team rushing record.RayClay said:Fair enough, but would you agree that he was the dominant player on those teams even though he was a guard?
I just think that people tend to totally underestimate the great players that played before 2001 because the management was in such turmoil those teams didn't finish off seasons like the present team does.
You have to admit, (maybe not), that Belichick's coaching and veteran acquisitions had as much or more to do with the 2001 season as Brady did.
No doubt Brady's final drive in the Super Bowl stands alone, however.
i remember it well. i wonder if you remember it the same as i do.sarge said:Sorry for the Hannah Backers, but lets get this Straight.
Hannah was the best linemen in Patriots history, and one of the best ever.
The talent level required to play guard verses QB, there is no comparison!
Easily Brady, and not even remotely close.
I understand the nostalgia of picking Hannah, but considering the facts of what it takes to be a HOF qb verses a HOF guard, there is absolutlely NO comparison!
I wonder how many Hannah backers remember when he went on his tirade against the team and was trying like hell to get traded anywhere!
ilduce06410 said:i remember it well. i wonder if you remember it the same as i do.
hannah and a LT named Leon Gray, both established pro bowl players (gray-pro bowl, hannah-all-pro), made up one of the all time greatest LG/LT combos in nfl history. those two, opening holes for FB sam cunningham and others, were well nigh unstoppable.
for 2 years in a row, hannah and gray held out of TC together for bigger contracts. the patriots GM at that time Ernest 'Bucko' Kilroy, decided to send a message. he didn't dare do anything with hannah, but he did break up the tandem. kilroy traded leon gray, age 27, 2-time pro bowl LT, to the houston oilers for a 1st and a 6th round draft pick. the 1st round pick turned out to be vagas ferguson, a mediocre RB from Notre Dame.
most of patriot fandom was irate. hannah was beside himself for the next 1-3 years. gray was a key acquisition for th olers. he opened holes for earl campbell for the next 3 years. oilers were on national tv all the time, so it was like watching the "earl and leon show" on sundays for 3 years.
as i recall hannah said he'd never sign another contract with the patriots. he lambasted kilroy, the sullivans, the entir front offices for a deal that IMO was one of the worst trades made by any pro sports team in that decade,
a trade that also smacked of racism.
kilroy fanned the flames with comments about 'showing whos'e boss'.
so yeah, hannah went wild, said contemptous things about the patriots that i don't recall hearing any athlete say about his own franchise since then. well beyond T.O.'s sick B.S.
ilduce06410 said:what the 'tirade' has to do with hannah's stature as a patriot, i don't know. but it was certainly a real thing. and it should be discussed in the proper context.
Hannah was great, but if we could go back to the 70's and 80's, I would have easily prefered Brady over Hannah. Let us not forget that Hannah really didn't want to be on this team either for a big stretch( I understand that should have no effect on his talent level)!