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  1. italian pat patriot

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    very difficult / impossible question but...it is may...

    who is for you my friends the BEST patriot player in our history ?

    i think there are many candidates but probably could be Tom Brady ?

    John Hannah ?

    yr opinion ?
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    Brady, its not even close. Yes that inludes hannah & haynes.
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    1 - Brady
    2 - Hannah
    3 - Haynes
    4 - Morgan
    5 - Grogan
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    Sorry for Brady backers, but it has to be John Hannah.

    Without a great running back, we set the single season record for rushing and had a great running game every year because of him.
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    Hannah was absolutely G R E A T

    petty that he never won, like he should have, a Super Bowl...

    arghhhhhh 1976... arghhhhhh
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    I'm not sure he was the greatest, but I'd like to mention the name of Andre Tippett, the ultimate "edge rusher".
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    Sorry for the Hannah Backers, but lets get this Straight.

    Hannah was the best linemen in Patriots history, and one of the best ever.

    The talent level required to play guard verses QB, there is no comparison!

    Easily Brady, and not even remotely close.


    I understand the nostalgia of picking Hannah, but considering the facts of what it takes to be a HOF qb verses a HOF guard, there is absolutlely NO comparison!

    I wonder how many Hannah backers remember when he went on his tirade against the team and was trying like hell to get traded anywhere!
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    So you're saying Brady could have played guard and the team would lead the league in rushing every year? Your comparison of "talent level" is just silly.

    I'm talking production here. Without one top running back we led the league in rushing because of one player.

    If you don't think having a constant reliable rushing game is important, why don't you ask Mr. Brady what the problem was last year.

    The Patriots could be successful with different running backs and quarterbacks, because their running game was a constant threat and it made everything better.

    I'm sure the nostalgia effect is way behind the "nothing important happened before 2001 effect" on this board.
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    EVen with only a few years under his belt Rodney Harrison needs some consideration.
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    It has to be Brady .What would you rather have , a rushing title or a superbowl title?
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    Love Tom, don't get me wrong, but if you've been a Patriots fan more than 5-10 years, I think you realize the importance of a great and stable coaching, ownership situation.

    Belichick with Kraft was going to put together a winner eventually in my mind.
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    QB is the most important position in FB, it has to be Brady, even though his career isn't over.

    Hannah is as good as any O lineman who has ever played.

    Haynes was one of the best CB's to ever play.

    Cunningham, one of the great FB's in the history of the game, could run well and a devastiting blocker.

    Francis pre injury a great TE

    Tippett, a great LB

    Morgan, stretched the field all the time

    Nance, great RB on some poor teams

    Other than Brady it is hard to place the current players in the proper context. Willie Mac, AV, TB, Branch, Harrison, others in the SB run are all making their mark.
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    Sorry, Brady has won us three super bowls. ofcourse he didn't do it alone...thats not the point. you have to pick one player out of a team of 53. Brady was as responsible for our wins as Hannah was for our running game - so call it a push in that respect. But being the ultimate sleeper, being picked in the 6th round, coming out of nowhere.....there's just something special about Brady. He transcends himsef as a football player. He is "our Montana".
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    Good point about the owner & coach. I would say BB has already locked up best coach, and all our owners besides Kraft have been disasters.
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    "best" is subjective, "value" might be better word

    I think we all love Hannah. It's hardly nostalgic to appreciate that guy, or Tippett (who should be a HoFer!!), or even Haynes, but it certainly is nostalgia to stack those guys above our current hero. None of those guys ever merited serious consideration as the best player of their eras.

    It's not about "talent," it's about value. In terms of positions, guard hasn't been more valuable than QB since the legalization of the forward pass 90 years ago. That's not to say that a guard couldn't be more valuable than a QB, but just that given two equally dominant players at those positions, you always take the QB.

    If it comes down to a question of pure talent, then perhaps Steve Smith is a better football player than Brady. The question really is, who would you choose to start your ultimate Pats team?...would anyone honestly take Hannah and risk losing TB?
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    Brady hands down. He led us to three superbowl's which changed the Patriots from being the Patsies to a team to be reckoned with year in year out. Yes, we didn't win the SB last year because of a lack of a running game but TB still led us to the playoffs.

    How quickly people forget that just getting to the playoffs was considered a great accomplishment in the days of Hannah, Grogan, Haynes, etc. Now, all we talk about was how disappointing it was to lose to Denver in the second round of the playoffs.
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    Sorry Ray...

    If Bledsoe were still behind Center Hannah would win hands down. :rolleyes:

    And as great as our HC and ownership are, if Bledsoe were still behind Center Belichick could just as easily be coaching or coordinating elsewhere. And in the wake of the new CBA and given our inabliity to win a championship while paying massive debt service for a new state of the art stadium, the Krafts could easily be shopping the franchise in the $700M range even as we speak.

    It's Brady hands down.
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    I'm not going to win this argument with the "world was created in 2001" crowd, but I will say Hannah was the single most important player on some very good teams.

    It's apples and oranges. When your running game falls apart, your QB play suffers, (see last year at Denver).

    Conversely when your QB is a fairy, (Eason), You won't beat the top teams.

    I will say that anyone who actually was a Pats fan in the 70's knows that Hannah was quite a bit more than just a good Offensive guard.
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    I'm also a history buff. If it were up to me, we'd expand this "greatest player" debate back to the 19th century.:)

    Hannah was the best guard in the league...one could even argue he was the most dominant O-lineman ever. It didn't hurt to have Gray on that line for a while either...I wonder what we could do with that line today?!;)

    but the fact that Hannah was great at his position does not make him more valuable than a great QB. THAT'S NOT A KNOCK ON HANNAH.:)

    I think we're looking at the question a little differently, but I think we agree that a great QB is more valuable to a team than a great guard???

    If not, then we'll have to agree to disagree.;)
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    We are blaming the loss to Denver on lack of a running game?

    Thats just as ridiculous as you defending your argument by suggesting over and over that anyone who disagrees with you wasn't a fan before 2001. :rolleyes:

    " Gee, I'm such a long time fan, I say Plunkett was the best player ever!!! yeah, thats it ! "
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    After his initial 5-11 season, I am not sure if Belichick could have survived another losing season.

    We are no longer talking about a HOF coach. We are talking about unemployed coach.

    I believe Bob Kraft flew alone to Montana and offered Bledsoe the $100M contract, bypassing Belichick and Pioli in the process. This certainly didn't bode well for Belichick and Pioli.

    I believe if we had another 5-11 or worse record, Belichick would suffer the same fate as Pete Carroll.

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    Brady, hands down!
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    Wait, isn't the ultimate goal to win Superbowls?!?!? if so, then it is BRADY handsdown!

    Love Hannah, LOVE him, but sorry, 9/23/01 is the best day in this franchises history. Not because of the serious injury Bledsoe suffered, but from that day on the Patriots went from being a Pinto to a Porsche!
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    Well I'll blame it on Brady if that makes you feel better.
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    no problem with singling him out as the reason we lost that game. Just make sure we're consistent and single him out as the reason we win.

    personally, I give credit to Champ for making a hell of a play. Most Pats fans aren't going to look at it that way.

    I can tell by your avatar that you're a longtimer...let me just say that for me, a greater appreciation for the history of the franchise/game gives me an even deeper appreciation for what is going on right now.
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    no problem with singling him out as the reason we lost that game. Just make sure we're consistent and single him out as the reason we win.

    personally, I give credit to Champ for making a hell of a play (there are "offensive picks" and "defensive picks" and that was clearly a defensive pick). Most Pats fans aren't going to look at it that way.

    I can tell by your avatar that you're a longtimer...let me just say that for me, a greater appreciation for the history of the franchise/game gives me an even deeper appreciation for what is going on right now.

    Just hate to think we could be taking any of this run for granted.
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    Brady, no question...and he is not done yet
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    I think Hannah and Brady have to be pretty close. I break the tie by which one I'd rather have on my team. The QB wins that contest.

    Brady is the HoF QB, consummate teammate, hardest worker, team leader, represents the team with class on and off the field. I'd have a tough time giving Brady up for any player in NFL History.
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    Hannah? Haynes? What no votes for Marty Barrett,Dennis Johnson,Spike owen?Look lets not make sentimental picks here.Who can ever forget John Hannah hoisting all those Lombardis? The answer is Brady .Moving on.....
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    My point is, I was kidding. It's a team game. When you have problems with the line and RB, a QB will try to do it all himself and mistakes often result.

    Comparing players at different positions is apples and oranges.

    In my opinion, no offensive lineman had as much of a ripple effect on the team as Hannah did.

    No QB has had as great a start to his career as Brady.

    I'm sure if you never saw those teams, you would say, "how can an Offensive Lineman impact the game like that".

    I wouldn't blame you, I felt the same way until I saw some isolation tapes of him and know the journeyman backs who contributed to the highest single season rushing total.

    I think Brady's the best QB in football. BB is the best coach.

    I think as a 40+ year Pats fan I'm still entitled to an opinion.

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