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My dad thinks they release something quietly the week of Final Four, when no one at all is paying attention.
That means freaking April.
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That means freaking April.
Yeah. But as the weeks drag on I find it so difficult to care anymore. Is anyone still waiting with bated breath on this thing? I would think if it was going to be a huge negative for us it would be done by now. I tend to think the longer it goes on, the better it is. No one really cares anymore.
Yeah. But as the weeks drag on I find it so difficult to care anymore. Is anyone still waiting with bated breath on this thing? I would think if it was going to be a huge negative for us it would be done by now. I tend to think the longer it goes on, the better it is. No one really cares anymore.
That means freaking April.
I trust that Robert Kraft has the inclination and the means to keep this from being swept under the rug.Not necessarily. The beginning of the tournament are a couple weeks away, and if anything that would be the time to release anything. With all the craziness the first 4 days of March Madness hold, it would be the perfect time for an NFL "swept under the rug" news dump.
The annual meetings in Pheonix are Mar. 22-25. No way the league office releases any report from Wels before then finished or not. The meetings will come and go without anything therby letting Roger skip over and deflect any questioning until after that date.
There will be leaks at the tail end of the meetings after Roger is safely on a plane heading out of the area. Bank it.
I don't hear it being brought up any more, its like the sports media has moved on to free agency and the draft.Yeah. But as the weeks drag on I find it so difficult to care anymore. Is anyone still waiting with bated breath on this thing? I would think if it was going to be a huge negative for us it would be done by now. I tend to think the longer it goes on, the better it is. No one really cares anymore.
Keep in mind that everyone with half a brain knows that there is a scientific explanation for the decline in pressure.
Consequently, the witch hunt could have ended in 24 hours yet it is still going on.
The media and public knows this and it doesn't matter to them.
All Goodell needs to punish the Pats is that a rule was violated i.e. the pressure was less than the prescribed amount regardless of how it got there.
After 2007, the public and media believes the Pats are cheaters so punishing them is a positive factor for Goodell not a negative as people in New England think.
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Let me address this on a point by point basis.I disagree.
I believe that the vast number of fans believe that science can NOT explain the pressure drop. I believe this is due to the prominence given by the media to reports by alleged "experts" (e.g., deGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, the morons at The Weather Channel, etc.) that assert that the weather can only explain a 0.5 psi pressure drop, and that the Patriots must have bled off the additional 1.5 psi.
Because this is exactly what they have read, over and over, in the media stories of the situation.
The media does not know, does not care, whether those "expert reports" are right or wrong. Reporters simply point at those reports and say, ignorantly, stupidly, "that's what the experts say."
Actually, One part of that sentence is wrong.
The media DOES care.
The incorrect story produces heroes and villains. It produces controversy. It produces sensationalism.
The correct story produces only a minor technical inadequacy in the rules.
Therefore, the incorrect story is the far, far better story.
When competent reports, from competent individuals, come out contradicting the incompetent ones, the media simply ignores the correct reports, and repeats the incorrect ones.
THIS is exactly how the media lies.
The media conveniently, self-servingly concludes that it is NOT their job to get the facts correct in any story. They consider their job to be "finding some 'expert', no matter how clueless, who will give them a sensational sound bite."
This is PRECISELY how one becomes a "media expert". You say outrageous things.
Do this, and you'll be have microphones thrust in your face.
Speak reasonably, thoughtfully, competently, and you'll never be quoted.
People should pay attention to this principle on issues that are far, FAR more important than "deflated footballs".
OK, you tell me.
Exactly how does the controversy end in 24 hours?
I have stated my recommended method of accomplishing this in 48 hours.
I'd like to hear your approach.
As stated above, the media is ignorant (willfully ignorant) of science, and prints whatever is the most outrageous, sensational story. In other words, the media prints BS. And then believes their own BS.
The public gets its information from the media.
Please explain to me how the public is supposed to arrive at the correct conclusions from this pathological process.
Any rule that specifies the inflation state of a football, without MEASURING and COMPENSATING FOR the temperature at which the pressure measurements are taken, is incompetent, and impossible to enforce or follow.
You've got a pretty cynical opinion about the American public's sense of justice.
In the immediate aftermath of the OKC bombing, the media's (& the public's) guesswork was that it was the product of some Middle East terrorist group. Based on prior history, this was not an outrageous guess.
However, just as soon as the facts started leading to a domestic terrorist, the American public changed their opinions to match the facts. They did not hold onto the opinion that, because middle east terrorists had performed similar attacks in the past, they were guilty of this act.
I guess I am far less cynical than you regarding the American public's sense of justice.
I disagree.
I believe that the vast number of fans believe that science can NOT explain the pressure drop. I believe this is due to the prominence given by the media to reports by alleged "experts" (e.g., deGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, the morons at The Weather Channel, etc.) that assert that the weather can only explain a 0.5 psi pressure drop, and that the Patriots must have bled off the additional 1.5 psi.
Because this is exactly what they have read, over and over, in the media stories of the situation.
The media does not know, does not care, whether those "expert reports" are right or wrong. Reporters simply point at those reports and say, ignorantly, stupidly, "that's what the experts say."
Actually, One part of that sentence is wrong.
The media DOES care.
The incorrect story produces heroes and villains. It produces controversy. It produces sensationalism.
The correct story produces only a minor technical inadequacy in the rules.
Therefore, the incorrect story is the far, far better story.
When competent reports, from competent individuals, come out contradicting the incompetent ones, the media simply ignores the correct reports, and repeats the incorrect ones.
THIS is exactly how the media lies.
The media conveniently, self-servingly concludes that it is NOT their job to get the facts correct in any story. They consider their job to be "finding some 'expert', no matter how clueless, who will give them a sensational sound bite."
This is PRECISELY how one becomes a "media expert". You say outrageous things.
Do this, and you'll be have microphones thrust in your face.
Speak reasonably, thoughtfully, competently, and you'll never be quoted.
People should pay attention to this principle on issues that are far, FAR more important than "deflated footballs".
OK, you tell me.
Exactly how does the controversy end in 24 hours?
I have stated my recommended method of accomplishing this in 48 hours.
I'd like to hear your approach.
As stated above, the media is ignorant (willfully ignorant) of science, and prints whatever is the most outrageous, sensational story. In other words, the media prints BS. And then believes their own BS.
The public gets its information from the media.
Please explain to me how the public is supposed to arrive at the correct conclusions from this pathological process.
Any rule that specifies the inflation state of a football, without MEASURING and COMPENSATING FOR the temperature at which the pressure measurements are taken, is incompetent, and impossible to enforce or follow.
You've got a pretty cynical opinion about the American public's sense of justice.
In the immediate aftermath of the OKC bombing, the media's (& the public's) guesswork was that it was the product of some Middle East terrorist group. Based on prior history, this was not an outrageous guess.
However, just as soon as the facts started leading to a domestic terrorist, the American public changed their opinions to match the facts. They did not hold onto the opinion that, because middle east terrorists had performed similar attacks in the past, they were guilty of this act.
I guess I am far less cynical than you regarding the American public's sense of justice.
Any rule that specifies the inflation state of a football, without MEASURING and COMPENSATING FOR the temperature at which the pressure measurements are taken, is incompetent, and impossible to enforce or follow.
You've got a pretty cynical opinion about the American public's sense of justice.
You keep skipping over the part where the officials approve the balls for play.So. What.
You seem to be laboring under the misconception that this is some sort of court of law, where reality matters.
Goodell can very simply say "The rule says the balls need to be 12.5-13.5 PSI during the game. The balls were not. Therefore we are levying a fine of $X". As for enforcing that rule -- it's trivial to enforce -- you measure the balls during the game and see if they are under.
I know, I know. You're gonna say "science says the balls had to be under pressure." Aye, 'tis true. But again, So. What.
Damn straight. And why shouldn't I? The public (especially in the sports area) hasn't given me much of a reason to think otherwise.
You keep skipping over the part where the officials approve the balls for play.
It's only irrelevent ONLY if it can be shown that NE screwed with the balls. If they were approved for play, and weren't meddled with, and in fact, can't BY RULE be meddled with, then the NFL hasn't got any ground to stand on. Ergo, he doesn't. Unless it's just '**** the rules, we do what we want cause it's NE'.And?
You apparently missed the discussion some days ago (can't recall if in this thread or one of the other ones) where the text of the NFL's January 23rd statement makes it rather clear that the NFL views the "balls must be 12.5-13.5 PSI" rule as applying during the entire game.
So the fact that the refs approved the balls before the game is irrelevant should Goodell want to fine NE. The NFL's position is that the balls have to be 12.5-13.5 PSI for the entire game. The balls were (allegedly) measured at halftime and (allegedly) at least one was under 12.5 PSI. Ergo Goodell has the basis to fine NE should he want to.
You can rage all you want about how nonsensical that would be (and it would be). But the reaction from everyone outside the NE fanbase will be (at best) "go play the world's smallest violin."
It's only irrelevent ONLY if it can be shown that NE screwed with the balls. If they were approved for play, and weren't meddled with, and in fact, can't BY RULE be meddled with, then the NFL hasn't got any ground to stand on.