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  1. shatch62

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    Need to vent and you special people can be there to help me.

    Peter King, someone I normally like reading – except about his daughter and his coffee addiction – has been getting on my nerves lately.

    Last week he wrote about how the NFL network going to a “pay tier” on Comcast was the right thing because those that want it can pay for it but those “who don't want the channel will not have their basic cable bill jacked up by nearly $10 a year.”
    If that is his belief, fine. My problem is in the very next section he writes that he doesn’t like to have to pay a $9 fee to use the gyms in the hotel’s he stays at on the road. Per King, “All we want in a workout room on the road is a few stepmills, some treadmills and elliptical trainers. Can't you give us that without charging us?” Hey Pete, all the NFL fans want is to watch football without having to pay a fee. Can’t you give us THAT without charging us?
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/05/13/steelers/2.html

    In this weeks article he writes the following:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/05/18/mmqb/2.html

    "Say good-bye to that high moral ground, Bob. The Patriots ... put their standards on the shelf in the quest for victory. They might be the best team in football, but the Patriots are no longer 'different' from all the other NFL organizations.''
    -- Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy, to Patriots owner Bob Kraft, in the wake of the Patriots trading for serial loafer Randy Moss and drafting safety Brandon Meriweather in the first round. Meriweather fired gunshots at an assailant last year, and also stomped on a Florida International player during the infamous Miami-FIU brawl.

    Again, I have no issue if that is what he believes but then he writes about Mike Vick “We forgive in America, most often when a person who is truly sorry appears before us.” So if we are forgiving people, should Moss and Merriweather be forgiven and given a chance? I’m confused.

    As his example on forgiveness he wrote “Remember Luis Castillo? He was about to get embarrassed by a positive steroid test before the 2005 draft, and he contacted all 32 teams with a pre-emptive strike, explaining why he tested positive and how he'd never use steroids again. He got picked in the first round, hasn't had a whit of a problem since, and has been an Eagle Scout off the field.”

    This incident was one that really bothered me at the time and still does. Maybe the injury that Castillo claimed was real and that he only used the steroids to regain the strength he lost to be able to perform at the combine. He was rewarded by being selected in the first round. My question would be what is to stop a guy that was incredibly productive but is not the most physically gifted athlete from doing the same thing. Say Penn State linebacker Paul Posluszny decided to do the same thing and cited his knee injury? At the combine Posluszny was listed at 6’1, 238 and he ran a 4.7 40 yard dash with 22 reps on the bench. Say he goes into the combine – after taking roids – and weighs 245-250, runs the 40 in 4.5 and benches 225 28 times. Think he would have been drafted in round one? I do. What is to stop the next guy from doing roids JUST to get drafted high then never doing them again in the NFL AFTER he gets paid millions?
    Is it just me on this?
     
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    well king's correct at least in the fact that new england isn't different from all the other teams anymore

    they've seemed to have a free agency spree (yet cost effective) knee jerk reaction to finally losing to the colts in a playoff game.
     
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    King is an idiot on this one, because the Pats have NEVER been different from other teams regarding character issues. Remember Bryan Cox? Corey Dillon? Ty Law and his drugs?

    The 'high character' thing was a media creation, and now King is bashing the Pats for deviating from their media-created character values.
     
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    Nothing has changed, the "high character" thing is about what happens when you're with the Patriots. Not being arrested . . . working hard . . . doing what you can for your team . . . there's no evidence of problems in those areas since Glenn was kicked off the team and there's no reason to think Moss or Stallworth will cause problems there either.
     
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    The Patriots may not have created the "High Character Requirement" myth but they sure liked being described as so noble. Thus I think the critcism isn't entirely inappropriate. It all depends on how Moss (and to a lesser extent Meriweather) pans out. If he is a good soldier (which I wouldn't be surprised he was...at least for the short term), then the "Genius" myth about Belichick will be dusted off and the Pats will shine once more in the NFL nation's eye. If he's a bust, they will be castigated. I'm basically not worried after hearsing Bru describe the Pats locker room to wit "we don't care what you did before you got here ..good or bad. We only care about what you do here and now". The Pats will survive in any case. Here's hoping their gamble works out.
     
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    I don't think NE was any different than before. They have made a commitment to winning and continue that by putting the best team possible on the field. NE just has the benefit of having won multiple times and can gamble on certain players because of this. What would the media being saying if Moss had gone to GB?
     
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    Anyway, if there is any truth to the high character stuff, it is that the Pats don't allow anyone to do it when they are ON THE TEAM. They certainly have had no problems bringing in character problem guys in the past, so long as they are high character guys when they are Patriots.

    I do not see any deviation or contradiction. Guys like Peter King are wrong on this one.
     
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    You see it that way. I don't. I see an offense without a WR threat, and teams like the Jets stacked their D-line against us and took advantage. These things happened well before the Colts game. The patriots are addressing the departure of Deion Branch with these moves. Plus, adding Randy Moss for $3 million is hardly a SPREE in the day of $115 million salary caps.

    As for Adalius Thomas, how was his signing different from the Rosevelt Colvin signing?
     
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    I think Belichick has perputated the perception of that the Pats don't take guys with character issues. He does tout that the Pats do take players with a certain type of mentality and personality. I heard him on Sirius a few weeks back and he said without mentioning names that he feels the lockerroom is different than it was in the past and they can take different types of players now than he did early with the Pats because the lockerroom has strong leadership. He didn't come out and say he used to take guys with high character and now character wasn't as big as an issue, but you could have inferred whether he meant it or not.

    I do have to say that Randy Moss is a whole different animal. One thing that Belichick and Pioli alway looked for were guys who loved football and were very dedicated to football. That was one of their biggest priorities in a player. Moss has been reported to not be all that much in love with football and has a history of dogging it. I think you can say this is where the Pats have deviated from their plan with Moss more so than the character issues.
     
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    As for King and his hotel gripe, I agree with him. You already pay to stay in the hotel, and in the past the gyms have been free. I was charged for an extra towel at a hotel I stayed in last summer.

    With NFLN, you don't pay the NFL until you actually receive the network, so you can't compare the two.
     
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    There's a lot of people that share your view. My view is that the Patriots have always done what gave them the most value. When that called for spending, they spent. When that called for not spending, they didn't spend. When they involved moving up in the draft, they did that. When that involved trading away picks into future years, they did that.

    In other words, the strategy is to maximize value - player value and CAP value. They've often managed to stay a step ahead of the competition in doing this effectively, and they just did it again this off-season (IMO, this off-season called for a lot of wise free agent spending - and they did just that). People, being what they are, constantly try to put the Patriot's winning formula into a box and claim to have it all figured out. "The way to win is to not chase high-priced free agents, to build through the draft and to not hold on to your aging players" is some of what I've heard. Except when they do land a high-priced free-agent linebacker (or two!), bid for a high-priced wide receiver (last off-season), only hold on to one 2007 first day draft pick and continue to hold a spot on the roster for the aging Troy Brown and Junior Seau. Huh?

    The only thing that can truly be put into the Patriot's formula box is - flexibility. The Patriots try to use all the tools they can to maximize value. It's not a simple formula or an easy formula. It requires constant re-adjustments and evaluations. Everyone's trying to do it, but the Patriots seem to be doing it consinstently better than most of their competitors.

    My take on the Patriots formula: Hire a great coach and a great personnel guy, let them build a great staff, develop talent and leadership in the locker-room and hope for the breaks. When every team does that, then they'll be on par with the Patriots.
     
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    Well, Adalius Thomas's signing takes up LESS of a %age of the salary cap than Rosey's did. There's that. ;)
     
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    yeah, i wasn't addressing the character issue aspect, just the free agency uncharacteristic spree
     
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    He's getting on my nerve as well lately.. King will be the same guy who will praise the Pats if they are doing well towards the playoff this season..
     
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    thomas is alot better than colvin IMO even going back to when NE got colvin.

    it's a spree , it's just not as costly a spree as it appears to be.
     
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    the pats are definitely doing all they can to field the best team they can field this offseason.
     
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    he does come across as a smug bastard, that's for sure
     
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    Well said, and I agree with every word. It's a common characteristic in all areas--not just sports--that people with a limited understanding of things (the press, etc.) will try to pigeonhole something in order to have a shorthand for it.

    The Pats aren't going on some wild spending spree this year because of the Colts' game---they would have, I think, made exactly the same moves this year even if they had won the Super Bowl. They aren't deviating from the so-called "character" guys, because they've always had a realistic view that pro football players aren't saints (nobody is), and they'll bring in people who can help the team. Once they're ON the team, they're expected to anhere to certain standards. Does anyone think the Pats couldn't have used the TALENT of Doug Gabriel last year? Of course they could have. But he didn't behave properly while on the team (note that you don't hear any specifics from the Pats as to how) and he's gone.

    The Pats have a really tremendous organization, built to accomodate all kinds of variances. What they're doing now is what they've done in the past, and will continue to do.
     
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    eh, he didn't tell any sappy stories or whine about what television and video games are doing to the children, so I can't really complain. Having nice things to say about Shaughnessy was the only thing that really made me twitch.

    oh, and he didn't take a reactionary political stance because he watched a documentary either. i swear the guy is a perfect example of what's wrong with Americans. he'll probably read an article about chinese human-rights violations (or Darfur, AIDS in Africa, or some other problem that doesn't exist until the mainstream media tells him it does) later this year, be shocked, and take up the cause.

    What, wasn't this thread for ranting about King?
     
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    Pats fans will need to develop a thick skin before the season starts, if they haven't already. The "opinion" media needs something to write about and what better than the team that has made the biggest moves on the cusp of going to yet another Super Bowl? It would seem that the Pats are damned if they do and will be damned if they don't.

    So the Pats took in two individuals: one with a poor work ethic and one with character issues. Guess that means the Pats sold their soul to the devil to win a championship and if it works out that way, then that will be the headlines. Or maybe something in the ways of "And you two can buy a Super Bowl". Its unfair and its a load of crap, but we can't have it both ways. We can't want our team to be active in the off season and get all torn up when they are and the media criticizes the team. Wonder how many Daniel Snyder apologists still exist in Redskin land?

    Its a long season and a lot will be said/written about our Patriots. If they don't win big enough, we will hear it. If they win by too much, we will hear it (hopefully positive). If a player acts up, all hell will break lose with the media and they will treat the Pats as if they are the next Bengals situation. Maybe Goodell better worn Meriweather and Moss today that it is one strike and your out. The Pats are screwed when they lose because I have to think the media will love it and if we win it all, they will car little because they will have to change the typecast of this Pats team with the one they were selling to the public over the last 5 years.
     

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