Pats vs. Redskins post-game thread

[Texxx]

Does anyone want to dispute with me that the Patriots still don't need a severe upgrade in the running game!!!??

Shoot, this running game doesn't scare a soul!


People keep talking about getting an upgrade here and there at WR, which is true, but with Brady the Pats still have one of the best passing attacks in the league. They need a running game to help out Brady badly! They can't keep expecting Brady to beat teams like this.

Oh yeah, and this defense sucks no matter how much people want to dispute that. They can be pretty good at times, but over all they can't be trusted and aren't a reliable unit. BB needs to stop making decisions on the defensive personal and get a defensive specialist here in the off season who can consult him or something. BB has failed big time at putting together another great defense since the all time great Pats recently left a few years ago. His idea of just plugging different guys into the system and not going after big time play makers in this league or early draft picks has been a failure.

 

[Sciz]

Laron Landry and Cortland Finegan, please. Finegan-Landry-Chung-Dowling would be a very physical group.

Landry is supposedly going to be franchised. And I agree with already mentioned opinions of Finnegan.

 

[strngplyr]

Does anyone want to dispute with me that the Patriots still don't need a severe upgrade in the running game!!!??

Shoot, this running game doesn't scare a soul!


People keep talking about getting an upgrade here and there at WR, which is true, but with Brady the Pats still have one of the best passing attacks in the league. They need a running game to help out Brady badly! They can't keep expecting Brady to beat teams like this.

Oh yeah, and this defense sucks no matter how much people want to dispute that. They can be pretty good at times, but over all they can't be trusted and aren't a reliable unit. BB needs to stop making decisions on the defensive personal and get a defensive specialist here in the off season who can consult him or something. BB has failed big time at putting together another great defense since the all time great Pats recently left a few years ago. His idea of just plugging different guys into the system and not going after big time play makers in this league or early draft picks has been a failure.

Are you looking at stats on ESPN or did you actually watch the game yesterday? If you watched the game I'd question where we struggled to run the ball outside of one series. Problem wasn't the run game, it was the lack of calling run plays.

 

[Texxx]

Are you looking at stats on ESPN or did you actually watch the game yesterday? If you watched the game I'd question where we struggled to run the ball outside of one series. Problem wasn't the run game, it was the lack of calling run plays.

They don't have a scary enough running game to scare anyone. That's the problem. They can run the ball here and there, but they don't have any big play threat or any constant threat even. How long do you expect Brady to keep winning games for this team with his passing when he's got the small WR's and weak threat of a running game combined with this defense that can't be trusted?? Man, if Brady was off this team or if he got hurt, man this team wouldn't look anywhere close to how it looked a few years ago with Cassell.

The Pats need a consultant for the defensive side of the ball in the off season to find some legit play makers. Enough is enough already.

 

[ATippett56]

Does anyone want to dispute with me that the Patriots still don't need a severe upgrade in the running game!!!??

Shoot, this running game doesn't scare a soul!


People keep talking about getting an upgrade here and there at WR, which is true, but with Brady the Pats still have one of the best passing attacks in the league. They need a running game to help out Brady badly! They can't keep expecting Brady to beat teams like this.

The New England Patriots drafted a running back in the second round of the 2011 NFL Draft and a running back in the third round of the 2011 NFL Draft.

Oh yeah, and this defense sucks no matter how much people want to dispute that. They can be pretty good at times, but over all they can't be trusted and aren't a reliable unit. BB needs to stop making decisions on the defensive personal and get a defensive specialist here in the off season who can consult him or something. BB has failed big time at putting together another great defense since the all time great Pats recently left a few years ago. His idea of just plugging different guys into the system and not going after big time play makers in this league or early draft picks has been a failure.

Hopefully the New England Patriots will expend every 2012 NFL draft pick on defense with an exception for an offensive center.

 

[condon84]

Landry is supposedly going to be franchised. And I agree with already mentioned opinions of Finnegan.

Talk here in DC is that Landry's not going to get franchised but Fred Davis will be.

 

[Texxx]

The New England Patriots drafted a running back in the second round of the 2011 NFL Draft and a running back in the third round of the 2011 NFL Draft.

Hopefully the New England Patriots will expend every 2012 NFL draft pick on defense with an exception for an offensive center.

Yeah, but those choices didn't make sense at the time. They weren't good picks for one, and for two this team severely needed pass rushers at the time. This draft needed to be defense heavy and it wasn't at all. This is starting to look like the worst Patriots team I've seen in the last 5 years. I just don't trust that defense man.

 

[Patspsycho]

Does anyone want to dispute with me that the Patriots still don't need a severe upgrade in the running game!!!??

Shoot, this running game doesn't scare a soul!

You are dead wrong.

Last night there were a total of 13 carries by our RBs (not including Brady or Faulk, the 3rd down specialist) which came to a total of 60 yards, that's a healthy 4.6 YPC. If I include Brady, his whopping 2.0 YPC would drag everyone else down.

The ratio of pass to run was 37 to 13. Let's imagine we had 25 carries. That would have translated to 115 yards.

Also Ridley, who has a solid YPC of 4.8 was nowhere to be seen.

We just didn't commit to the run.

 

[strngplyr]

You are dead wrong.

Last night there were a total of 13 carries by our RBs (not including Brady or Faulk, the 3rd down specialist) which came to a total of 60 yards, that's a healthy 4.6 YPC. If I include Brady, his whopping 2.0 YPC would drag everyone else down.

The ratio of pass to run was 37 to 13. Let's imagine we had 25 carries. That would have translated to 115 yards.

Also Ridley, who has a solid YPC of 4.8 was nowhere to be seen.

We just didn't commit to the run.

This. I've said it multiple times in the past day or so. We were running the ball at one of the best rates all season, but we decided not to run anymore after one bad series where Woodhead ran into a wall.

Our lack of running (not unsuccessful running) puts our defense out on the field far too quickly. They don't get any rest or time for potential coaching on the sidelines. We had the ball for 23 whole minutes yesterday. Defense was on the field for 37 minutes.

I agree we need to score every chance we get, but when our RB's average nearly 5ypc, it isn't exactly a big risk to use them to kill clock. Our offense is our strength, and needs to spend most of its time on the field. I'm tired of our 8play 80yard 2:35 scoring drives. I want to see 12-15 play 7:00-10:00 minute drives. We don't need to score 30+ points every game if we can control the ball.

 

[Texxx]

You are dead wrong.

Last night there were a total of 13 carries by our RBs (not including Brady or Faulk, the 3rd down specialist) which came to a total of 60 yards, that's a healthy 4.6 YPC. If I include Brady, his whopping 2.0 YPC would drag everyone else down.

The ratio of pass to run was 37 to 13. Let's imagine we had 25 carries. That would have translated to 115 yards.

Also Ridley, who has a solid YPC of 4.8 was nowhere to be seen.

We just didn't commit to the run.

Until the Pats get a dominant type of play making RB, BB is never going to trust the running game. He just isn't. The Pats should get a real deal back that defensive teams would have to sit back and really game plan for instead of thinking about what Gronk and Welker are going to do from game to game. Teams aren't even worried about this running game.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

You are dead wrong.

Last night there were a total of 13 carries by our RBs (not including Brady or Faulk, the 3rd down specialist) which came to a total of 60 yards, that's a healthy 4.6 YPC. If I include Brady, his whopping 2.0 YPC would drag everyone else down.

The ratio of pass to run was 37 to 13. Let's imagine we had 25 carries. That would have translated to 115 yards.

Also Ridley, who has a solid YPC of 4.8 was nowhere to be seen.

We just didn't commit to the run.

You can't prove 25 carries translates to 115, or even 100. Our run game is too inconsistent to assume that, people always assume that if we run more it will magically make our running backs better.

 

[Deus Irae]

This. I've said it multiple times in the past day or so. We were running the ball at one of the best rates all season, but we decided not to run anymore after one bad series where Woodhead ran into a wall.

Our lack of running (not unsuccessful running) puts our defense out on the field far too quickly. They don't get any rest or time for potential coaching on the sidelines. We had the ball for 23 whole minutes yesterday. Defense was on the field for 37 minutes.

I agree we need to score every chance we get, but when our RB's average nearly 5ypc, it isn't exactly a big risk to use them to kill clock. Our offense is our strength, and needs to spend most of its time on the field. I'm tired of our 8play 80yard 2:35 scoring drives. I want to see 12-15 play 7:00-10:00 minute drives. We don't need to score 30+ points every game if we can control the ball.

The team's "lead" running back is running at 3.8 ypc clip this year.

 

[JackBauer]

The team's "lead" running back is running at 3.8 ypc clip this year.

I hadn't noticed that YPC figure... ugly.

I guess that's why we have Ridley and Vereen.

 

[RodThePat]

The team's "lead" running back is running at 3.8 ypc clip this year.

This. We don't run because we cannot run effectively throughout a whole game. Last season, they were able to do it and the offense was much more balanced. It just baffles me that people think they don't run out of stubbornness when 2010 demonstrates the exact opposite. Brady threw for 3700 yards last season, and our offense was better than it is right now. Why would they walk away from that for any reason other than the fact that they don't feel like they can run effectively?

 

[Deus Irae]

This. We don't run because we cannot run effectively throughout a whole game. Last season, they were able to do it and the offense was much more balanced. It just baffles me that people think they don't run out of stubbornness when 2010 demonstrates the exact opposite. Brady threw for 3700 yards last season, and our offense was better than it is right now. Why would they walk away from that for any reason other than the fact that they don't feel like they can run effectively?

I'm with you, but let me note that I'm not laying the blame on BJGE here. I'm certainly not one of his biggest fans, but he's been injured, and the line has been in a state of near constant flux. It's easier to pass block under the current circumstances, and you've got Tom F'in Brady there to help pile up the first downs.

 

[JMarr]

BJGE is just not all that good--people need to get over it. He teased us with some good games last year, and is solid-as-a-rock dependable in terms of ball security. But in terms of running ability itself--complete JAG. I like him, but that is the simple truth.

People that constantly knash their teeth at BOB's 'lack of commitment to the running game' are not seeing things entirely clearly. I get frustrated by the lack of balance at times, but Obrien's reliance on the passing game makes total sense--Brady is probably the GOAT, our best offensive players are Welker, Gronk and Hernandez, the Oline is built to pass protect, are our RBs simply aren't above average. The amount of snaps Faulk has been given speaks volumes to what BB thinks of Ridley's or Vareen's viability at this point in their careers.

 

[RodThePat]

BJGE is just not all that good--people need to get over it. He teased us with some good games last year, and is solid-as-a-rock dependable in terms of ball security. But in terms of running ability itself--complete JAG. I like him, but that is the simple truth.

People that constantly knash their teeth at BOB's 'lack of commitment to the running game' are not seeing things entirely clearly. I get frustrated by the lack of balance at times, but Obrien's reliance on the passing game makes total sense--Brady is probably the GOAT, our best offensive players are Welker, Gronk and Hernandez, the Oline is built to pass protect, are our RBs simply aren't above average. The amount of snaps Faulk has been given speaks volumes to what BB thinks of Ridley's or Vareen's viability at this point in their careers.

Faulk gets snaps over those guys mainly because they can't be trusted to stay in to pass block that much yet.

 

[Patspsycho]

Until the Pats get a dominant type of play making RB, BB is never going to trust the running game. He just isn't. The Pats should get a real deal back that defensive teams would have to sit back and really game plan for instead of thinking about what Gronk and Welker are going to do from game to game. Teams aren't even worried about this running game.

So you're saying Ridley and Vereen aren't playmakers?

 

[Patspsycho]

BJGE is just not all that good--people need to get over it. He teased us with some good games last year, and is solid-as-a-rock dependable in terms of ball security. But in terms of running ability itself--complete JAG. I like him, but that is the simple truth.

People that constantly knash their teeth at BOB's 'lack of commitment to the running game' are not seeing things entirely clearly. I get frustrated by the lack of balance at times, but Obrien's reliance on the passing game makes total sense--Brady is probably the GOAT, our best offensive players are Welker, Gronk and Hernandez, the Oline is built to pass protect, are our RBs simply aren't above average. The amount of snaps Faulk has been given speaks volumes to what BB thinks of Ridley's or Vareen's viability at this point in their careers.

You must have missed BJGE's 136 yard 2 TD game vs. the Jets. The last RB to put up that many yards was Corey Dillon.

 

[Patspsycho]

This. We don't run because we cannot run effectively throughout a whole game. Last season, they were able to do it and the offense was much more balanced. It just baffles me that people think they don't run out of stubbornness when 2010 demonstrates the exact opposite. Brady threw for 3700 yards last season, and our offense was better than it is right now. Why would they walk away from that for any reason other than the fact that they don't feel like they can run effectively?

Actually 2010 demonstrated why you don't go anywhere without a run game. We were one and done in the playoffs, just like that.