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  1. javajunky

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    I have the feeling the Pats really didn't give into Samual on next year's fanchise tag. The tag is a more importent tool for future negotiations with Moss. You almost always tag the Hall of Fame Player first.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Doubtful. I can see us trying to re-sign him, but can't imagine using the franchise tag.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    If this post isn't intended to be ironic, I think there must be something other than java in your system.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Oh yeah, cause what we'd want is a disgruntled Moss. There's one player we know will dog it if he feels he has to. No, our best bet with him is to keep him happy, and if that's no longer to our benefit, let him go.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    you might see belicheck rotate gay into the mix to keep his snaps down he can always say he wasnt ready, especially early on because of the hold out and well again be able to franchise him , he always misses a few games due to injury anyway
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Foolish children. You don't tag Moss to sign him, but to trade him.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Seriously, dude... nobody is going to trade for an unhappily-tagged Randy Moss.

    That's like sticking a bunch of wolverines in a cage, shaking it vigorously, and then trying to get someone to give you $20 bucks for it.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    We did. We traded for Randy Moss, lest you forget.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    We don't pay Moss even close to 8 mil. Why franchise a guy that we
    a) can get rid of if he plays poorly
    b) if he plays well trade for younger talent?
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    I thought Moss had a contract for more than one year? Is it just for this year? If it's for multiple years, how do you franchise him? don't you just franchise players who are free agents?
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    except that Randy specifically agreed to renegotiate his contract for the Patriots to get the hell out of Oakland

    that does not equate with 'unhappy-tagged Moss'
  12. javajunky

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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Moss only has a one year deal, we ripped up the old one. Also, we are talking about next year's fanchise tag.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    In terms of leverage it is. Your statement is telling me you are missing the point.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    You title your thread with a question, I assume to gather people's input. Then you respond to their input by calling them "Foolish children" because they didn't agree with your preconceived notion.

    Brilliant!!

    This isn't ESPN or CBSsportsline. ;)
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    I didn't start the sarcasm. Read between the lines.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    actually, it isn't the same thing

    Randy Moss has already negotiated with the Patriots in good faith.

    There is no supporting argument for this NEP FO using the franchise in this circumstance. It would irritate Moss, and it would be counterproductive.

    But feel free to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    You are missing the point. The Pats took a flyer on him with their extra 4th round pick in a week draft. Believing that they have a locker room environment that can keep him in check and he tore up his contract to come here. Oakland wanted him gone and a perfect match was born.

    Now, if you tag Moss that means you want him to stay or you are just trying to get a pick for him and/or your preliminary numbers were far off. If you want him to stay then most likely a long term deal will/would get done without the tag. How many teams in the league do you think truly believe that they have a locker room strong enough to support Moss? And how many of those teams do you think would be willing to give up a draft pick and insane money to get him?
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    a contender for the worst 2007 off-season thread
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Do you have any evidence that we can't tag Moss?

    Was not this board talking about the trade value for Samual by using the franchise tag as leverage?

    If the team does not plan to resign Moss, it would be foolish for the team not to look into getting compensation for Moss .
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    I did not realize that Moss brought all the Junkies with him!?

    HOF Player: T. Brady
    Never will be HOF Player: Randy Moss
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Do I think we will tag him? NOPE....but

    I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that statement.

    All-time leaders Receiving TDs

    1. J Rice 197
    2. C Carter 130
    3. *M Harrison 122
    4. *T Owens 114
    5. *R Moss 101

    All-time leaders Receiving Yards

    1. J Rice 22895
    2. T Brown 14934
    3. J Lofton 14004
    4. C Carter 13899
    5. H Ellard 13777
    6. *M Harrison 13697
    7. *I Bruce 13376
    8. A Reed 13198
    9. S Largent 13089
    10. I Fryar 12785
    11. A Monk 12721
    12. J Smith 12287
    13. C Joiner 12146
    14. M Irvin 11904
    15. D Maynard 11834
    16. *T Owens 11715
    17. *R Smith 11389
    18. *K McCardell 11117
    19. G Clark 10856
    20. S Morgan 10716
    21. *R Moss 10700

    All-time leaders Receptions

    1. J Rice 1549
    2. C Carter 1101
    3. T Brown 1094
    4. *M Harrison 1022
    5. A Reed 951
    6. A Monk 940
    7. *I Bruce 887
    8. J Smith 862
    9. *K McCardell 861
    10. I Fryar 851
    11. *R Smith 849
    12. L Centers 826
    13. S Largent 819
    14. S Sharpe 815
    15. *K Johnson 814
    16. H Ellard 814
    17. *T Owens 801
    18. M Faulk 767
    19. J Lofton 764
    20. C Joiner 750
    21. M Irvin 750
    22. A Rison 743
    23. *E Moulds 732
    24. *T Gonzalez 721
    25. *T Holt 712
    26. *M Muhammad 702
    27. G Clark 699
    28. T Mathis 689
    29. *R Moss 676
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    And his position in the all time lists means what? Moss is now thirty and can't be expected to play more than another half dozen years. So what?

    His HOF credentials will be established by his entire career's stats. At career midpoint, I think he is doing pretty well, but the issue is still in doubt, obviously.
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    Pretty well?! Ya he's doing OK. He's WELL on his way to the HOF, as long as he can put together some decent seasons after 30 hes a shoe in.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    I'm pretty sure "we" could, we just wouldn't.

    Moss is not Samuel. You can count on Samuel, if he shows up, to play. With Moss you risk him showing up and dogging it. If Moss wanted to be traded, that might be one thing, but if Moss is unhappy about being tagged - and you can bet he would be - no team in their right mind would take him. In the trade with the Raiders, Moss was a willing participant. No way a deal gets done if he doesn't agree to it.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    If Randy Moss has a great year and the Patriots get to the Superbowl. What do you think Randy will want to do. Resign with the Patriots for a hometown discount and get a chance at another title, or go to some team for the big payday which he has already received a few times over. I'm thinking he's really going to enjoy his time here in NE. with BB, Brady, Rodney and crew. The Patriots win the Superbowl and Moss will re-up for less then his market value. You can take that to the bank. And no, the Patriots will not trade Moss or franchise him.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Nah! I say we fransize him instead. :D
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Silly child.

    The franchise tag is a double edged sword - smart teams know when to use it and when not to lest they drive away good players who will fear coming to the Patriots lest they be trapped.

    Moss came here for a below market one year contract with the understanding a great year with a SB ring will pay him big dividends. If the Pats tag Moss that's the last time you'll see a great player agree to come to the Patriots for a short below market contract.

    They wouldn't do it because in the long term they'd be shooting themselves in the foot - and this organization is always looking further than just the current season.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    Let me get this straight. You are going to threaten Moss with a 1-year $8.5M guaranteed contract? I think he might simply sign it.

    He's had his HOF career. He can afford to play one year at a time. perhaps with an injury policy.
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    Re: Now we can fanchise Moss.

    First off, its helps to know how to spell the names of the players on the team you follow. There's no player on the Patriots who goes by the name of "Samual." I do believe there is an Samuel though.

    Secondly, here's all the evidence you need to see as to why the Pats won't franchise Moss:

    $8,500,000.

    Next topic.

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